@Henry posted:Mostly agree. That is a pretty big issue nonetheless but I fail to believe that's the only one.
From Rodger's perspective it's the issue. Anything else is background noise. Unless Murphy tried to Jerry Jones his way through conversations with AR, this is all about commitment beyond '21.
IMO, Murphy, in his wildest dreams, thinks he is Jerruh Jones.
@mrtundra posted:IMO, Murphy, in his wildest dreams, thinks he is Jerruh Jones.
As if to say Jones is savvier or more capable than Murphy? Jones is highly successful at push his agenda, but his team rarely wins. At least Murphy runs a successful team.
Mason Crosby is currently ranked 20'th among the NFL's all-time scoring leaders with 1682 points, just behind former Packers Ryan Longwell (1687) and Jan Stenerud (1699).
And now for something completely different.
What do you guys think about Maurice Drayton as special teams coach? Can we expect different results after heās been an assistant in that area the last few seasons?
About the only thing I can say I like about the Drayton hiring is that MLF hired him was was supposedly his top choice unlike 2019 when he had to settle for plan B.
@PackerHawk posted:About the only thing I can say I like about the Drayton hiring is that MLF hired him was was supposedly his top choice unlike 2019 when he had to settle for plan B.
Thanks PackerHawk. I thought the guy he wanted signed with another team. Iām hoping for a big improvement in special teams.
Don't feel like the Lone Ranger RW. I'm with you on this.
@Grave Digger posted:As if to say Jones is savvier or more capable than Murphy? Jones is highly successful at push his agenda, but his team rarely wins. At least Murphy runs a successful team has a team with Aaron Rodgers as QB.
I just don't see our defense being good enough with the present d-lineman. Here is article on available vets
And they don't need a world beater next to Kenny either. Just someone the oline has to respect. You can keep you lunch pailer Murphy favorites in there for rotation but they can't be the guys getting the majority of the snaps.
My concern is simply the first year of a new defense and a DC with less than a sterling record. Sometimes a defense seems to get a bump from a new vibe but there always seems to be some issues with scheme, which is normal. Barry and Mayo can only work with what they have but if Gunt thinks a scheme change with Barry of all people is the answer it's just another indicator of FO dopery.
I seriously am praying Slaton goes fully Jolly because they need it badly.
This off-season, the Packers offered Aaron Rodgers a two-year contract extension that would have tied him to Green Bay for five more seasons and made him the highest-paid QB and player in football.
ā Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 20, 2021
Rodgers declined the offer, proof itās not about the money.
Not apparently about a commitment from the organization either and McGinn basically reported the same thing back in May.
Does anyone really know what specifically AR is pissed about?
If he's struggling with mental health, mental wellness, mental illness, depression whatever you want to call it there may well be NOTHING the organization can do.
Maybe he's legit unhappy with people in the org. Maybe he's just unhappy with football, and it's manifesting toward people in the org.
Maybe he doesn't know what will make him happy and he's just searching for answers. That's not different from millions of people around the world. Sometimes you don't know when or why things change, or feel different, you just realize one day they do.
Best of luck on his journey to figure this shit out, but at some point, the Packers are going to have to move on if he's not ready. There are 52 other guys and a whole bunch of support staff that depend on this team to put food on the table.
I am a fan of 12, I hope he ends up finishing his career as a Packer, but no one player is the franchise. Anywhere, ever.
GPG
@michiganjoe posted:Not apparently about a commitment from the organization either and McGinn basically reported the same thing back in May.
Does anyone really know what specifically AR is pissed about?
Not anymore. It's not hard to piece together that their lack of commitment if not trying to show him the door accompanied by whatever perceived slights would be enough for him to tell them to fuck off.
If you busted your hump at work, carrying the lion share of grief, risk and flat out labor and your employer walks up to you and says shut up and work harder or "if we wanted your opinion we'd ask for it", what exactly would be your response?
"I quit".
"We'll give you a big raise".
If you have any pride you tell that POS to fuck right off, which I personally have. You reach a point of why should all of my efforts make you look better after treating me like a disposable cog? You think you can just buy me off? Go fuck yourself.
@Chongo posted:This off-season, the Packers offered Aaron Rodgers a two-year contract extension that would have tied him to Green Bay for five more seasons and made him the highest-paid QB and player in football.
ā Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 20, 2021
Rodgers declined the offer, proof itās not about the money.
I don't think the salary is what he's chasing, it's the guarantees. I think the offense is that GB won't adjust his contract to give him more guarantees to control his destiny. GB could pay him $50M, $60M, $70M per year, if there's a threat of him being bounced without his consent at any point he's not going to take it. He doesn't need to be the highest paid player, he's just trying to not get screwed. Both sides are protecting themselves from being screwed. It's the right thing to do for both sides regardless of what kind of season Rodgers had or where his skill level is at vs. age.
If GB is intent on trading him after this year (which they shouldn't), they should make that plan clear, rework his contract to spread this year's hurt over multiple dummy years, and take a shot now with a couple extra vets on the trade block or camp cuts. They should just guarantee his 3 remaining years at a commensurate salary, add dummy years to spread it out, and let him retire or leave on his own after '23, pick up Love's 5th year (unless you really think he stinks), give him a shot, either resign him in '24 or move on and start over. Bing bang boom everyone wins.
@Chongo posted:If he's struggling with mental health, mental wellness, mental illness, depression whatever you want to call it there may well be NOTHING the organization can do.
Maybe he's legit unhappy with people in the org. Maybe he's just unhappy with football, and it's manifesting toward people in the org.
Maybe he doesn't know what will make him happy and he's just searching for answers. That's not different from millions of people around the world. Sometimes you don't know when or why things change, or feel different, you just realize one day they do.
Best of luck on his journey to figure this shit out, but at some point, the Packers are going to have to move on if he's not ready. There are 52 other guys and a whole bunch of support staff that depend on this team to put food on the table.
I am a fan of 12, I hope he ends up finishing his career as a Packer, but no one player is the franchise. Anywhere, ever.
GPG
I think it's probably a mixture of getting dicked around and a new perspective of a marriage commitment.
I personally think the contract offer after the fact is more of an insult. It's like the worst thing they could've done before actually smoothing things out. I would guess it was a pure desperation move.
Rodgers isn't worrying about cars and trips to the scrip club. He's a highly intelligent, emotional (whatever adjective you want to use) individual. It's baffling the FO would make such a stupid oversight.
Again, besides the fact the FO is all but slamming the Super Bowl window closed (maybe we'll get lucky and Rodgers comes back with a walk off homerun) I really worry about the future of the team. I'll always be a fan but this whole thing is more like a giant blaring siren of what the future holds regardless if Rodgers is here or not. What happens if Love flops? What happens if he is wildly successful? Do they pull the same shit with their tough guy "old school" mentality? The bigger issue to me is how is this fucking FO going to drag down the team I love and will always root for? The Rodgers drama is a just a titanically fat canary in the coal mine.
@michiganjoe posted:Not apparently about a commitment from the organization either and McGinn basically reported the same thing back in May.
Does anyone really know what specifically AR is pissed about?
Nope. But the knowers will tell us all again.
@Grave Digger posted:I don't think the salary is what he's chasing, it's the guarantees. I think the offense is that GB won't adjust his contract to give him more guarantees to control his destiny. GB could pay him $50M, $60M, $70M per year, if there's a threat of him being bounced without his consent at any point he's not going to take it. He doesn't need to be the highest paid player, he's just trying to not get screwed. Both sides are protecting themselves from being screwed. It's the right thing to do for both sides regardless of what kind of season Rodgers had or where his skill level is at vs. age.
If GB is intent on trading him after this year (which they shouldn't), they should make that plan clear, rework his contract to spread this year's hurt over multiple dummy years, and take a shot now with a couple extra vets on the trade block or camp cuts. They should just guarantee his 3 remaining years at a commensurate salary, add dummy years to spread it out, and let him retire or leave on his own after '23, pick up Love's 5th year (unless you really think he stinks), give him a shot, either resign him in '24 or move on and start over. Bing bang boom everyone wins.
Don't you think there's an element of "I can't believe I have ask for a commitment after all these years". Rodgers isn't stupid, he's talked about the realities of the business but it's apparent he sure didn't think that time arrived and an MVP season proves it.
I think Rodgers comes back this year and plays knowing this is definitely his last year in Green Bay. Even if the dopes in the FO decide they want him to stay I highly doubt he returns. I guess the question is does he come back and with a giant chip on his shoulder play like he did in 2020 for the "I told you so" walk away or does he mail it in?
It's the guaranteed money and the desire to have your opinions heard. Not being the de facto GM like LeBron but more like the level of involvement Tom Brady has in Tompa Bay.
I honestly don't think the Packers are going to allow that and that's going to mean a trade after this season.
@Grave Digger posted:I don't think the salary is what he's chasing, it's the guarantees. I think the offense is that GB won't adjust his contract to give him more guarantees to control his destiny. GB could pay him $50M, $60M, $70M per year, if there's a threat of him being bounced without his consent at any point he's not going to take it. He doesn't need to be the highest paid player, he's just trying to not get screwed. Both sides are protecting themselves from being screwed. It's the right thing to do for both sides regardless of what kind of season Rodgers had or where his skill level is at vs. age.
This.
@Grave Digger posted:They should just guarantee his 3 remaining years at a commensurate salary, add dummy years to spread it out, and let him retire or leave on his own after '23
We don't know if the contract offered/declined did exactly this or not.
Shockingly, I don't think Rodgers' ego is easily bruised enough to be personally offended when he's not catered to in an excessive way. JMO, he seems like a pragmatist and I think he's seen so many players get screwed, Jordy and CM3 were prime examples. GB sent them packing, rightfully so btw, before they were ready and they had to just kind of fart around for a year or two and then retire. He's not going to get screwed, he's going to go out on his own terms when he's ready. That's not how NFL teams operate though, teams are not beholden to players and do their damndest to never be. Someone has to give though and it should be the team. Either the team or Rodgers has to put themselves in a vulnerable position, GB should gamble Rodgers will continue to be the MVP for 3 more years and give him what he wants. If they gave him 3 guaranteed years at a solid salary and power over trades, there's no way he declines. It's true, we don't know if GB did offer him that, but I would surprised if he declined that deal.
We don't all suck dick for money.
I didn't know they had glory holes in the Peanut Gallery.
@Grave Digger posted:I don't think the salary is what he's chasing, it's the guarantees. I think the offense is that GB won't adjust his contract to give him more guarantees to control his destiny. GB could pay him $50M, $60M, $70M per year, if there's a threat of him being bounced without his consent at any point he's not going to take it. He doesn't need to be the highest paid player, he's just trying to not get screwed. Both sides are protecting themselves from being screwed. It's the right thing to do for both sides regardless of what kind of season Rodgers had or where his skill level is at vs. age.
I'd add there has to be an element of Rodgers saying he wants the guarantees so rework my contract to get more players. That may be part of the personnel differences and another commitment he's looking for.
Judging by the "we're happy to win the regular season because people like to go sledding" bit Murphy espouses it's not difficult to see why Rodgers isn't enamored with the philosophy that always leaves them at the door step of the Super Bowl instead of winning a Super Bowl.
Aaron Rodgers: pic.twitter.com/Sc38wkcylb
ā B/R Gridiron (@brgridiron) July 20, 2021
@Grave Digger posted:If they gave him 3 guaranteed years at a solid salary and power over trades, there's no way he declines. It's true, we don't know if GB did offer him that, but I would surprised if he declined that deal.
Agreed.
@Chongo posted:This off-season, the Packers offered Aaron Rodgers a two-year contract extension that would have tied him to Green Bay for five more seasons and made him the highest-paid QB and player in football.
ā Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) July 20, 2021
Rodgers declined the offer, proof itās not about the money.
So apparently ESPN and Adam Schefter are light on click revenue for the month, as they are recycling stories from 2 months ago to generate internet traffic, likes, and shares. I'm surprised this story isn't gated behind the ESPN+ paywall.
So if the Packers offered him 25MM guaranteed the next 3-4 years do you think he would accept it? Doubtful.
He wants it all.
If by "all" you mean "Super Bowl" then I agree.
Adam Schefter getting ready to tweet something about Aaron Rodgers that weāve known for months as if itās breaking news on the same day the Bucks are playing for a championship. pic.twitter.com/Rn4oUnj8KV
ā š½šøš šš“š¶š¾ š§ (@BigMack_4) July 20, 2021
Yikes has this article been posted previously?? Where does Aaron Rodgers rank among Packersā all-time passing records??
https://packerswire.usatoday.c...ime-passing-records/
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My Aaron Rodgers opinion update is the same as it's been all year:
ā Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) July 7, 2021
The Packers won't trade him in 2021.
Aaron can't trade himself.
Aaron won't retire.
Some contract accommodation- financial, length or both- will be made.
The Packers will trade him in 2022.
If Rodgers cared about winning a Super Bowl he would already be in GB getting ready for the upcoming season.
Short of GB firing the front office and putting him in charge of personnel and awarding himself a lifetime contract Iām not sure you will see him play another game for the Packers.
This isnāt about business anymore. Itās personal. Which is just so stupid when you think about it. Murphy canāt or wonāt apologize or try to mend fences and Rodgers canāt or wonāt swallow his pride and do whatās best for himself and the team.
So we have speculation he has mental illness and doesnāt care about winning the Super Bowl the year he wins MVP
fucking Packer fans. There are Viking fans laughing at us right now
@Tschmack posted:If Rodgers cared about winning a Super Bowl he would already be in GB getting ready for the upcoming season.
Short of GB firing the front office and putting him in charge of personnel and awarding himself a lifetime contract Iām not sure you will see him play another game for the Packers.
This isnāt about business anymore. Itās personal. Which is just so stupid when you think about it. Murphy canāt or wonāt apologize or try to mend fences and Rodgers canāt or wonāt swallow his pride and do whatās best for himself and the team.
Disagree. This is the same "shut and play" bit.
