@PackLandVA posted:Unless, of course, the vaccinated player(s) is showing Covid symptoms. My guess is that player would then be tested, and while low, can contract Covid even if vaccinated. So it could be a vaccinated player that causes an outbreak.
How in the hell do you jump from the very low odds vaccinated player getting covid, to that player causing an outbreak? All the other very low odds vaccinated players then get it too? WTF? If there is an outbreak, it means it's among the unvaccinated. Same outcome.
A vaccine helps prep and strengthen your immune system against the disease it targets, it doesn't claim to make you the fucking Highlander.
The point I was trying to make is that it's possible for an "outbreak" to occur among a group of vaccinated people because it's already happened.
But I think everybody knows that if 10 vaccinated players and one unvaccinated player get asymptomatic infections, the unvaccinated player is going to be blamed because in the current culture that's the expedient thing to do. It doesn't matter if it can be proven that one of the vaccinated players got it first.
@Fedya posted:The point I was trying to make is that it's possible for an "outbreak" to occur among a group of vaccinated people because it's already happened.
But I think everybody knows that if 10 vaccinated players and one unvaccinated player get asymptomatic infections, the unvaccinated player is going to be blamed because in the current culture that's the expedient thing to do. It doesn't matter if it can be proven that one of the vaccinated players got it first.
The reason some people choose to wear masks even after they are vaccinated is that if they are around other people who aren't vaccinated, they can still pass the virus on to others if they are exposed. The vaccine isn't some magic shield that keeps the virus from entering your body if someone sneezes on you. It suppresses the ability of the virus to replicate to higher titers once it's in you. There will still be a little bit of it around until your immune system (which is prepared for it) clears it out. The scenario you describe is why everyone should get vaccinated. The one player who is unvaccinated is the one that is exponentially more likely to get symptoms and have higher viral loads that will be passed on to others in the population. He may not have been the one sneezed on by a person with the virus to start with, but he's the one that's going to be the reservoir to allow the virus to more easily pass along to others.
I'm just glad I'm Scottish.
I think they've said if a vaccinated player gets COVID and causes an outbreak, there won't be any penalties levied. You can say that's not fair but fact is, the NFL wants players vaccinated and they're going to do everything in their power to force them without "forcing" them. This is just another way they'll push players to get the vaccine.
@PackLandVA posted:I just watched that Past McAfee clip and I think ARod is full of shit. He basically contradicted everything the media and sports pundits have said. I donât buy that heâs not mad, holds s grudge, etc. Iâve read all over the Internet otherwise. Thatâs just Aaron creating a narrative. Iâve heard and read from too many other âsourcesâ for me to fall for his empty words
Just to clarify, my post was for those who don't follow. I've not seen that clip of AR and McAfee before, but IMO he makes his feelings pretty obvious. He'll be in camp next week and will try to win another MVP and another SB. I'll be shocked if it turns out any other way. Unfortunately, this whole drama was created by the media and internet as filler for the offseason.
H5 has been all over this from day 1. Credos!!
@Fedya posted:
there was no outbreak, there was a series of players who tested positive.
Those are two different things. An outbreak refers to a bunch of people getting sick - but none of those players got sick...because they are vaccinated. 
What these vaccines do is give your immune system the opponents' playbook - so you have a head start and can respond immediately... before the shit hits the fan. Your own body does all of the fighting
The reason these guys tested positive is because the saliva test detected virus in their oral cavity. So all we really know is they were exposed to some virus.
If a vaccinated player walks through a clubhouse where there are sick people, they will likely inhale some particles which stick to your nose/mouth - and those particles are picked up by the test. Think about beisbol players - they're always spittin, chewin and spewin; hardly a surprise they were all exposed.
But those vaccinated players aren't sick, they don't have an infection and if you tested their blood - fair chance there isn't any detectable virus. This is because their now-educated immune cells kill off any invaders that reach the bloodstream
As noted by others, the vaccines are exceedingly good at preventing serious disease and death, but they don't make you invisible
Getting vaccinated is especially important in athletes because MDs have seen cases of myocarditis in young healthy players. Messing with your heart isn't to be taken lightly and we're already seeing people with post-infection scarring. They survived, but not unscathed. For an NFL athlete, scarred lungs or heart can be an express ticket out of the league.
All of the above are why everyone should get vaccinated. You may still get a visit from Mr. Covid in your nose/mouth, but at least you'll live to tell the story.
But it's much easier to create a false equivalency because it justifies an unsupported narrative.
Iâm not a Michael Irvin fan by any stretch - but he makes a valid point.
Anything that incentivizes vaccination is a good thing. People have every right to not get vaccinated, but they need to pay a price for that decision.
Read that unvaccinated DeAndre Hopkins is contemplating his future in the NFL because of the NFL's decision on unvaccinated players.
@H5 posted:I'm just glad I'm Scottish.
I'm not but the logical conclusion here is if I drink Scotch then I'm immune.
BRB...
@mrtundra posted:Read that unvaccinated DeAndre Hopkins is contemplating his future in the NFL because of the NFL's decision on unvaccinated players.
@mrtundra posted:Read that unvaccinated DeAndre Hopkins is contemplating his future in the NFL because of the NFL's decision on unvaccinated players.
Hopkins had wrist surgery a few years back which probably involved the insertion of a screw or a pin. That's not exactly "natural." Isn't he worried about the metal sitting in his body for the rest of his life?
Many of these guys have knee surgeries, hip surgeries, etc. and probably get pain killing shots multiple times a year at levels that would put you at risk for addiction. None of this is "natural." Heck, the anesthesia they put in you for the surgery clearly has some potential for long-term effects as well. They also have significant head trauma that leaves that at risk for long-term mental and neural health issues.
Yet, after all that, they are most worried about a vaccine that's already been given to 160 million people in the US alone?
No one ever said a lot of NFL players were very smart.
You play a game where serious injuries are commonplace and long term health effects (CTE) are pretty likely yet you worry about the safety of the vaccine?
Well, vaccines are a new and untested treatment.
Just look at all the polio zombies walking around. Jonas Salk = Fauci, blood on their hands.
I read a recent poll that 95% of COVID viruses voted for Biden.
It's all coming together now.
@mrtundra posted:Read that unvaccinated DeAndre Hopkins is contemplating his future in the NFL because of the NFL's decision on unvaccinated players.
It sucks to be strongly encouraged to take something so risky just so you can engage in a risk free activity like football. What is this 1984, the movie, which Iâve never seen?
â mayor of hydrated summer chris long (@JOEL9ONE) July 22, 2021
The average life expectancy of NFL players is less than 60. That doesnât take into account their quality of life after football.
I mean, thatâs incredible. Basically 20 years less than most others. Coal miners of the 1920s think the NFL players are overreacting.
Cole Beasley should run for President in 2024 and D Hopkins can be his running mate.
âMurica bitches!
Itâs going to be fascinating to see how this all plays out. When Baker Mayfield and Jerruh Jones appeal to your sensibilities that speaks volumes about some of the others that arenât in favor of the fauci ouchie
In the world of common sense, the poor get poorer.
Obviously clicks are needed here
Heâs the best WR in the league. Pay him like it. https://t.co/kdRDBgKnz5
â Peter Bukowski (@Peter_Bukowski) July 23, 2021
Of course not. Adams may not be one of the best WR in like 3 years. That's just smart business sense. I'm sure MVS is ready for the #1 role.
Jesus fuck.
Sure, the Pack should sign Adams to an eleventy billion dollar contract. Itâs not like they have to worry about a salary cap or have a quarterback holding them for ransom right now.
Broke off talks. He's probably gone too.
Not this season.
@justanotherpackerfan posted:Sure, the Pack should sign Adams to an eleventy billion dollar contract. Itâs not like they have to worry about a salary cap or have a quarterback holding them for ransom right now.
You mean of their own making? They could've likely had substantial cap room in return for some assurances.
R.E.L.A.X.
"Broke off negotiations.."
â Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) July 23, 2021
Translation: "We'll pay him, just not right now." https://t.co/PjESmYfh46
Quite possibly Adams broke off negotiations because he does not want contract talks to be a distraction as TC is about to begin? Perhaps he just wants to focus 100% on the upcoming season, without any other distractions.
The Pack could also franchise tag him in 22 if necessary. Thus, they still could have him for at least two more years.
Could be. I think they probably gave GB their best and final, GB said we can't do anything until Rodgers cap hit is resolved (however that happens), so there's nothing to discuss until GB has the space. Whether GB wants to make him WR1 or not, there's literally no cap space. They saved just enough room to sign Amari and that's basically it.
@Henry posted:You mean of their own making? They could've likely had substantial cap room in return for some assurances.
Iâm not assigning blame...Iâm just saying that it is basically impossible to sign DeVonte at this time because of the current cap situation and not having resolved the Rodgers fiasco.
Vegas opinion.
@vitaflo posted:Pretty positive that him going on McAfee every week last year and his extended media pressers were just a way for him to build his public image and get ahead of all of this, knowing the disagreements would eventually come to light.
The only leverage he really has is the court of public opinion, and he always thinks 8 steps ahead of everyone, so it makes sense for him to build a persona of a likable "positive vibe" guy, when there was a lot of talk about him being the opposite (bad body language, grudge holder) in the past.
8 steps ahead of dummies, maybe. I think heâs an asshole.
@Fedya posted:The point I was trying to make is that it's possible for an "outbreak" to occur among a group of vaccinated people because it's already happened.
But I think everybody knows that if 10 vaccinated players and one unvaccinated player get asymptomatic infections, the unvaccinated player is going to be blamed because in the current culture that's the expedient thing to do. It doesn't matter if it can be proven that one of the vaccinated players got it first.
Itâs a good thing I no longer think you are smart. I used to think that, but that was a long time ago. The vaccine is not a force field. Jeez!
@Satori posted:there was no outbreak, there was a series of players who tested positive.
Those are two different things. An outbreak refers to a bunch of people getting sick - but none of those players got sick...because they are vaccinated.What these vaccines do is give your immune system the opponents' playbook - so you have a head start and can respond immediately... before the shit hits the fan. Your own body does all of the fighting
The reason these guys tested positive is because the saliva test detected virus in their oral cavity. So all we really know is they were exposed to some virus.
If a vaccinated player walks through a clubhouse where there are sick people, they will likely inhale some particles which stick to your nose/mouth - and those particles are picked up by the test. Think about beisbol players - they're always spittin, chewin and spewin; hardly a surprise they were all exposed.
But those vaccinated players aren't sick, they don't have an infection and if you tested their blood - fair chance there isn't any detectable virus. This is because their now-educated immune cells kill off any invaders that reach the bloodstream
As noted by others, the vaccines are exceedingly good at preventing serious disease and death, but they don't make you invisible
Getting vaccinated is especially important in athletes because MDs have seen cases of myocarditis in young healthy players. Messing with your heart isn't to be taken lightly and we're already seeing people with post-infection scarring. They survived, but not unscathed. For an NFL athlete, scarred lungs or heart can be an express ticket out of the league.
All of the above are why everyone should get vaccinated. You may still get a visit from Mr. Covid in your nose/mouth, but at least you'll live to tell the story.
The dummies will never understand. They are too busy trying to stop government from forcing them from doing something that government is not forcing them to do.
@mrtundra posted:Read that unvaccinated DeAndre Hopkins is contemplating his future in the NFL because of the NFL's decision on unvaccinated players.
Heâs a fucking liar.