@Grave Digger posted:How you got there I have no clue and honestly I don’t really care to know.
Well, because Rodgers contract is “good” when it comes to telling Rodgers to fall in line. The contract is “bad” and by extension so is Rodgers because he’s holding the FO prisoner when it comes to cap issues. So it just depends on the prevailing narrative of the train of posting thought or the poster.
If you take a step back, it’s really just bad management.
@H5 posted:Can't pay them all.
Yet Brandt stated there’s always a way to manipulate the cap. The problem is what is the overall plan? Are they just throwing in for the next couple of years to win it all or are they truly looking at a full rebuild?
What would be foolish is trying to straddle a fence of “build for the future/win now”, especially with the ramifications from COVID, instead of taking the plunge one way or the other. I know others think even after Rodger is gone that the Packers can slap a new coat of paint and continue on their way. I think they need to be realistic and look at a deeper rebuild to truly be successful in the years ahead.
@Henry posted:Yet Brandt stated there’s always a way to manipulate the cap.
It takes two to tango.
There was an offer and a decline, I think we can be fairly certain of that. We just don't know what the offer was.
We've heard multiple times Rodgers feels disrespected. Maybe the offer had the $$ but not the guarantees? Or maybe guarantees with less money so they can keep the band together for a few more years?
If there was an offer, the Packers made it and Rodgers declined it, not the other way around.
It takes two to negotiate.
@H5 posted:It takes two to tango.
There was an offer and a decline, I think we can be fairly certain of that. We just don't know what the offer was.
We've heard multiple times Rodgers feels disrespected. Maybe the offer had the $$ but not the guarantees? Or maybe guarantees with less money so they can keep the band together for a few more years?
If there was an offer, the Packers made it and Rodgers declined it, not the other way around.
It takes two to negotiate.
Oh I think negotiations are all but dead but that’s just me. I’d be curious to see what the second bonanza contract had to offer. I wouldn’t be surprised if it had concessions that Rodgers wanted either.
Just judging from what we know about Rodgers personality and him cutting ties I think that bridge was burned when they came to him with a restructure first.
@Henry posted:Well, because Rodgers contract is “good” when it comes to telling Rodgers to fall in line. The contract is “bad” and by extension so is Rodgers because he’s holding the FO prisoner when it comes to cap issues. So it just depends on the prevailing narrative of the train of posting thought or the poster.
If you take a step back, it’s really just bad management.
I said his contract spelled out the teams vision for the future. I didn’t say it was good or bad. ‘22 is a bloated cap hit while the dead money is manageable, as is ‘23. The team structured the contract to dump him after ‘21. There’s no way Rodgers DIDNT see that coming and he signed the contract anyway. I don’t feel sorry for him that he’s essentially in a contract year when he agreed to that eventuality. He signed it when GB had no options other than him and ‘21 was going to be the renegotiation year, but now GB has an exit strategy and is essentially telling him “Brett, we’re going with Aaron”. He’s taking it about as well as Brett took it.
@H5 posted:No. He knows it. The Packers know it.
It was just a knee jerk reaction on my part.
My point is there has to be some reconciling between conventional wisdom and the reality of the level of play of Rodgers and Adams right now. Just because Rodgers is towards the end of his career I’m not sure why that would exclude Rodgers knowledge and requests for input and feedback. To me, it seems like it would be exactly the opposite.
It’s crazy how it has gotten to this point. But here we are.
You want the parties to reconcile? Good fucking luck with that. They are entrenched and no one wants to concede. That’s great in checkers but not so much in a multi billion dollar business.
Back in the day I did a case study on Northwest Airlines when in graduate school. I analyzed the labor management relationship between the Union and the Company. Confrontational doesn’t quite do it justice. If bad is your baseline, then they were 100x worse.
That’s this current situation. It’s sad and pathetic and as fans we all lose. And in the end, I love the Packers but they can all get bent - that includes the FO and Rodgers.
@Henry posted:Yet Brandt stated there’s always a way to manipulate the cap. The problem is what is the overall plan? Are they just throwing in for the next couple of years to win it all or are they truly looking at a full rebuild?
What would be foolish is trying to straddle a fence of “build for the future/win now”, especially with the ramifications from COVID, instead of taking the plunge one way or the other. I know others think even after Rodger is gone that the Packers can slap a new coat of paint and continue on their way. I think they need to be realistic and look at a deeper rebuild to truly be successful in the years ahead.
IMHO the Packers are always in a rebuild mode. When you are a draft and develope team vs an always signing free agents team you are always rebuilding. And past history shows which method is best.
@ammo posted:IMHO the Packers are always in a rebuild mode. When you are a draft and develope team vs an always signing free agents team you are always rebuilding. And past history shows which method is best.
The Packers simply can't blow their load on "all in-ing" followed by a decade+ of mediocrity because of cap hell. Not in a market as small as GB. They need to always be at least competitive, even if it means mortgaging some current potential to keep it for the future.
The 70/80's Packers would cease to exist in the current NFL. It's a different time now.
Why would it take a decade? TT rebuilt in 3 years in the salary cap era. If Love is the guy and Mayo’s system is fully established that would take the sting out of a rebuild.
@Henry posted:Oh I think negotiations are all but dead but that’s just me. I’d be curious to see what the second bonanza contract had to offer. I wouldn’t be surprised if it had concessions that Rodgers wanted either.
Just judging from what we know about Rodgers personality and him cutting ties I think that bridge was burned when they came to him with a restructure first.
Rodgers only option for '21 is to not play. I don't see him going down that road...
And, while he may not like it, he's under contract for '22 & '23. If he has another MVP type year, deep playoff run, and another year of no signs of decline, we are back at this spot next spring, and Rodgers would still have one option if he is unhappy. Chose to not play.
Rodgers is under contract for the foreseeable future. Seems to me he will get all the guarantees he desires if he keeps playing at a high level. If he doesn’t, GB has some outs. Kudos to the circle of dumb running the show at 1265.
See, now it’s a good contract.
They could guarantee the remaining 2 years, and I'd bet that wouldn't be enough for Rodgers. The Packers would be foolish to guarantee anything beyond '23.
@H5 posted:It's only a bad contract from Rodgers perspective.
I wonder where Max (I'm a Favre fan first) sits on this topic.
I think you missed when it’s a bad contract and Rodgers fault when it comes to other player’s contracts and excuses for not being able to finish the job of building a championship team. Percentage of the cap, Rodgers holding the Packers hostage with the “drama” even though his contract hasn’t changed.
You know, the standard stuff.
@Goalline posted:Me: The offense was more productive without Tae Adams because it allowed the team to spread the ball around better.
Henry: WTF, did you see his individual numbers?
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You surely don’t need me to produce the offensive numbers including all the targets in the passing game do you?
I mean it’s a novel concept. Highly productive WRs in a otherwise shitty WR corp are bad.
Also, we can rehash the first year of Mayo’s tenure when Adams was hurt and how the WRs were so bad the creation of the WRB position came about.
Well, my prolific, overwhelming content is done for the day. You can all commence to calling me a dootyhead and Vikings fan or whatever.
Just remember, bad managers make for bad organizations.
2021 or Bust! On to TC.
They've built a championship team. They just haven't played championship ball when it matters. And that includes Rodgers, and Adams.
@vitaflo posted:The Packers simply can't blow their load on "all in-ing" followed by a decade+ of mediocrity because of cap hell. Not in a market as small as GB. They need to always be at least competitive, even if it means mortgaging some current potential to keep it for the future.
The 70/80's Packers would cease to exist in the current NFL. It's a different time now.
It’s not simply ‘small market team.’ The Packers are the only NFL team without an owner and deep pockets. They need the income from fans attending the games, fans buying merchandise, the NFL tv contract, etc. to stay alive. They don’t have an “owners resources” to stay afloat during an extended down time.
The problem is that we still have little to no idea as to what Aaron Rodgers is really pissed off about, yet. All those cryptic texts, posts and interviews don't answer any questions,with specifics, ever. Maybe if we had Rodgers type out his grievances on an Enigma machine, then maybe, the folks at Bletchley Park, for a free ride down the Lambeau sledding hill, could let us know what it is that he is so pissed off about. Give an Enigma machine to Tae, as well. Definitely do not give one to Murphy.
@mrtundra posted:The problem is that we still have little to no idea as to what Aaron Rodgers is really pissed off about, yet. All those cryptic texts, posts and interviews don't answer any questions,with specifics, ever. Maybe if we had Rodgers type out his grievances on an Enigma machine, then maybe, the folks at Bletchley Park, for a free ride down the Lambeau sledding hill, could let us know what it is that he is so pissed off about. Give an Enigma machine to Tae, as well. Definitely do not give one to Murphy.
And the solution wouldn’t be as simple as say firing (what some goomba call) Gunt and thinking that wouldn’t set a precedent. Rodgers always has a chip on his shoulder from college and his passive aggressive nature probably will never change.
You must be a magic smurf. All I have to do is mention your smurf name in front of the right people and *poof* you magically appear.
This is Mark Murphy.
Am I sensing a divided fan-base?
@H5 posted:They've built a championship team. They just haven't played championship ball when it matters. And that includes Rodgers, and Adams.
I've said this many times .... how many Packers starters in the NFCC game would have started for TB? In my estimation "maybe" 7? AR, Jones, Linsley, Adams, Clark, Alexander, and one of our safeties. AR out played Brady, but when you are losing nearly every single one-on-one matchup across both fronts, you have to play an almost perfect game to win. If Brady had not thrown 3 picks, the game wouldn't have been close. Yes, we have a very good team, but TB overall has a much better roster. Now if Bak had played, and Turner would have played much better at RT, maybe we have a better chance, but I thought the real story of the game was very simple .... we couldn't block their edge rushers and our edge rushers were not a factor.
Really it's just a diabolical plan hatched by Rodgers to draw upon his minions amongst his teammates and fan base to befoul and beset the sweet innocent princess, Gunterella.
Tom Silverstein and Michael Rodney are the wizards trying to keep the evil forces at bay until good king Murphy the Dumb Sharted and his loyal coconut clapper Ball Fondler can rescue Gunterella from Rodgers evil clutches . . . kinda maybe.
This shit is the best.
I'm tired of Gunt. I'm tired of What Me Murphy. I'm tired of #12. I'm tired of all this social media game playing, and whispers and retweets and Shailene and her maw chiming in. I'm sick of this white trash melodrama that is more befitting of the Kardashians than a fucking NFL franchise.
Just let it all end and get back to fucking football soon. Please.
I second that motion
Come on! I'm just hitting my stride!
I've got a J.R.R. Tolkien/George R. R. Martin epic just brewing in my head. Granted it'll be a rip off of Disney characters and the world history's greatest idiots but it'll be HUUUUGGGE!
It'll have a classic lead in like "Call me Ishmael". What do you think of this?
"Complicated fella they all said".
The rubber will soon meet the road if he really told them that he will never play for them again.
If he retires, it’s proof that his pettiness is bigger than his competitiveness.
@Steve of Norway posted:And the solution wouldn’t be as simple as say firing (what some goomba call) Gunt and thinking that wouldn’t set a precedent. Rodgers always has a chip on his shoulder from college and his passive aggressive nature probably will never change.
Florio article speculating about what Rodgers wants in a contract
That now his future wife and mother-in-law are now getting involved on social media confirms to be that 12 knows exactly what he's doing. This charade he's playing out by not saying anything is well thought out. He's obviously not getting his way, so now he's roping in his squad to apply pressure. 17 also joining in on the reindeer games.
Fuck them all. No one twisted your arm to sign the contract extension.
But that said, WMM and Gunt have been very lucky they have not had to deal with this kind of situation till now...and much of it is of their own making.
That speculation makes a lot of sense to me. I've always believed that AR's view of commitment from the organization was to completely eliminate whatever flexibility they had at the QB position.
Packers shouldn't do that and won't.
@Chongo posted:I'm tired of Gunt. I'm tired of What Me Murphy. I'm tired of #12. I'm tired of all this social media game playing, and whispers and retweets and Shailene and her maw chiming in. I'm sick of this white trash melodrama that is more befitting of the Kardashians than a fucking NFL franchise.
Just let it all end and get back to fucking football soon. Please.
I'm in for a 2021 and done. Then move on with plans to build around Nub.
I'm resigned to the fact the assholes that will likely drive this team into the ground aren't going anywhere and if anything Gunt will be the fall guy.
If he leaves by retirement (before he is ready) or trade, Rodgers will never return to the Packers for any type of reconcilation. I believe the guys is the greatest QB to ever play the game but he will also go down as a player who holds the biggest grudge against any an all that dont get in line with his way of thinking....
