Again, what free agent or free agents could he have added? There’s no more money to sign those guys. Extend Rodgers and potentially bankrupt the future to add another Kevin King type player? That’s the solution?
Let’s also not forget 2 of their 5 best players (Adams and Jaire) are due an extension. If both of those guys walk it won’t matter who the QB is.
This ain’t Madden 2021 or fantasy football. You pay Rodgers 40MM a season it’s going to limit your other options.
@ChilliJon posted:The Bridge on the River Kwai is the greatest war movie ever made. It’s a glimpse of the fog of war inside the prism of an individual that alters his views of the greater good because he’s driven by principles. Last lines of the movie. Madness!!! Madness!!!!
It’s a great movie.
I've been there, near the village of Kanchanaburi Thailand.
Newer bridge now...
@Tschmack posted:Again, what free agent or free agents could he have added? There’s no more money to sign those guys. Extend Rodgers and potentially bankrupt the future to add another Kevin King type player? That’s the solution?
Let’s also not forget 2 of their 5 best players (Adams and Jaire) are due an extension. If both of those guys walk it won’t matter who the QB is.
This ain’t Madden 2021 or fantasy football. You pay Rodgers 40MM a season it’s going to limit your other options.
You sure it isn't Pacman or QBert? Get a new line.
The whole premise is how the Packers decide to keep playing "winning ball" without actually winning when it counts. Same argument with you over and over.
It might be Q Bert. These discussion are goofy as hell just like that video game.
I’m curious, how could they free up enough money this year and next year to go “all in” on free agency? They could have cut Preston Smith and freed up enough money to sign a DL or WR on a short term deal. That may have been an option.
Extend Rodgers another 5 years? Is that the solution? What if he gets hurt or retires in a year or two? You backload tens of millions of dollars and it goes south on you and it will cripple this franchise for years.
By the way, let’s assume they did that this year. And signed a TY Hilton or someone of that ilk. It still doesn’t solve ILB, or DL, or OL, or CB. Maybe that’s enough to put them over the top, who knows?
They were a few plays from getting to the Super Bowl with basically the same team minus Linsley.
If “going all in” was such an easy formula to winning Superbowls then Minnesota and Dallas and Washington would have several by now.
I think you have to take calculated risks and stay the course and not get stupid and bet the ranch on one year. Other than TB this past year, when has that ever worked?
The easiest path? Pay your QB a modest deal. If Rodgers made 20 or even 25MM a year that’s two more players you could have added in FA. But why would he do that? He wants the money and gets paid well guess what? There’s only so much to go around.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:He's under Packers' control until 2024. They don't need to give him a new contract for 2022 or 2023.
So many people don’t seem to know that. Rodgers is clearly negotiating in the press in a most passive aggressive way.
@Henry posted:The question is why is he making this power play? Assurances, after they drafted Love. It's also a move for immediate cap room. Hell, we don't even know what kind of restructure was being offered.
“I can’t really get into specific players," he said. "We’ve been able to create room with others.
"I'm not going to get into specifics."
The quote you highlighted is exactly what I was talking about before. His existing contract would merely be a measure of his play level as he got older. He's stating right there he wants to play at a championship level throughout the contract.
Then the morons moved up to draft Jordan Love. I completely agree with Orlovsky's take.
"Your actions are louder than your words. We will know 30 days from today exactly what the Green Bay Packers' thoughts are when it comes to Aaron Rodgers. That's the first night of the draft. OK? Because what you've done recently when it comes to your draft picks does not tell me that Aaron Rodgers is going to be there long-term. It does not tell me you think Rodgers is going to be a part of the organization for more than one year. You know why? Not a single wide receiver. And last year you chose the future. So I'm going to know 30 days from today exactly how the Green Bay Packers' front office views Aaron Rodgers' future in Green Bay. Because if they don't take a wide receiver or move up to take an impactful front seven player, you're telling me everything I need to know. You're telling me we're going to start building for the future. This isn't our all-in year."
Why is he making a power play? Because his contract after ‘21 is non-guaranteed so for all intents and purposes he’s in a contract year coming off an MVP season. It’s not rocket science that Rodgers wants a new deal with guarantees that are commensurate with his age and skill. He wants the control back in the relationship because no player should be fucked over. He didn’t drink a pint of tequila on draft night because he’s butt hurt that he probably won’t retire with GB, he lost a small amount of leverage he needed to get a new deal. Just like with Favre, GB can now commit to a new QB (maybe) if Rodgers becomes too demanding. I don’t think GB set out to achieve this on draft night in 2020, but I think the opportunity was too good to pass up...both because they think they will get a good ROI but also because they need a backup plan in case Rodgers declines, is injured, or creates an issue with his contract.
Orlovsky, and others, are making it an emotional issue that GB owes Rodgers everything he wants. He’s consistently been among the highest paid players on the league his entire starting career. He’s not done GB any favors beyond just earning his contract. Every time he’s outplayed it then GB has taken care of him.
What you said GD. That's it. Wish he's cave on some of the money so we could get some talent around him.
Personally, I think he takes his role as a union rep really seriously. I know he isn’t the rep anymore, but he plays that role among teammates who look up to him.
The money Rodgers has created for the Packers is fucking peanuts compared to what they’ve paid him.
He’s hosting Jeopardy for two weeks. What’s that worth to Green Bay?
The guy is a fucking money fountain.
That’s not true. How much money were the Packers making in the 70’s and 80’s ?
The Packers are a money mountain because the NFL is a money mountain. It’s not rocket science.
Does Rodgers help? Certainly he does. But don’t act like he’s bigger than the franchise or the league. He’s not.
He’s been paid more goddamn money than just about anyone. Yet he’s not being surrounded by enough talent all in bullshit.
You emulate Brady. Pull a TB12 and take a 30% pay cut and they will get more talent. Otherwise STFU and play.
I think everyone needs to unclench their sphincter. Nothing that is said, done, not said or not done outside of between the GBP and Rodgers will have one iota of an impact on the situation.
The sun has come up every morning.
What happens will be what is.
You don’t want me unclenching my sphincter. Nothing good can come of it.
Touche
@Grave Digger posted:Why is he making a power play? Because his contract after ‘21 is non-guaranteed so for all intents and purposes he’s in a contract year coming off an MVP season. It’s not rocket science that Rodgers wants a new deal with guarantees that are commensurate with his age and skill. He wants the control back in the relationship because no player should be fucked over. He didn’t drink a pint of tequila on draft night because he’s butt hurt that he probably won’t retire with GB, he lost a small amount of leverage he needed to get a new deal. Just like with Favre, GB can now commit to a new QB (maybe) if Rodgers becomes too demanding. I don’t think GB set out to achieve this on draft night in 2020, but I think the opportunity was too good to pass up...both because they think they will get a good ROI but also because they need a backup plan in case Rodgers declines, is injured, or creates an issue with his contract.
Orlovsky, and others, are making it an emotional issue that GB owes Rodgers everything he wants. He’s consistently been among the highest paid players on the league his entire starting career. He’s not done GB any favors beyond just earning his contract. Every time he’s outplayed it then GB has taken care of him.
So you think he’s squeezing the Packers because he put up an MVP season right after signing an extension vs. Jordan Love being drafted. That’s your take? You think he’s asking for assurances because of the MVP season? Doesn’t that seem pretty damn contrary, particularly with the quote you used from Pat McAffee show?
My take isn’t what the Packers can do for Rodgers, my take is what the fuck are you going to do to win a Super Bowl while you still have this guy? My question is why did they light a fucking fire they didn’t have to light? The crux of my argument is why the fuck can’t the organization be flexible enough to understand the situation they’re in instead of the endless “building for the future, we win football games” bullshit? I have been a proponent of the build via the draft forever but recognize your fucking situation.
What is the likelihood Nub will be a HOFer like Rodgers? Not very good. What is the likelihood the Goof Troop will assemble a world champion defense even if Nub takes over because they stick with this endless loop of building for the future? Not very good.
Suck it up. Would you guys really not be able to cope with a full rebuild around your new super star Nub? You sign Alexander, keep Kenny and burn the rest down. Yes, I’m all for it if they can get some more hardware with Rodgers going out the door. Would anyone really get warped at Gunt for a rebuild after winning a Super Bowl? If so, you’re a fucking idiot.
“This ain’t Madden”. Well no shit, how about using a fucking 4th rounder or any pick on huge deficiencies? Nope, Nub is sooo fucking incredible we can just say fuck this current team, we’re on to the future. Gunt you’re this close. Finish the fucking job.
And let’s just acknowledge that COVID has screwed the pooch all around.
@EC Pack posted:What happens will be what is.
Doris Day needs to sing a song about that.
Finish the job? That’s your take?
Let’s take a walk down memory lane
TT, for all of his glory, fell asleep at the wheel for the 2015-2017 drafts. Passing on TJW meant spending huge money on Z and Preston and drafting an OLB 12th overall. That set this team back big time. You want to piss and moan? Direct it at Mark Murphy for being a fucking slow witted dolt. Thompson should have retired much sooner than he did. That’s not Gute’s fault.
And you have a hard on about giving up a 4th rounder to get Love. Like that was the difference? No it wasn’t. The dominoes fell earlier and Gute had to make up a ton of ground.
@Henry posted:So you think he’s squeezing the Packers because he put up an MVP season right after signing an extension vs. Jordan Love being drafted. That’s your take? You think he’s asking for assurances because of the MVP season? Doesn’t that seem pretty damn contrary, particularly with the quote you used from Pat McAffee show?
My take isn’t what the Packers can do for Rodgers, my take is what the fuck are you going to do to win a Super Bowl while you still have this guy? My question is why did they light a fucking fire they didn’t have to light? The crux of my argument is why the fuck can’t the organization be flexible enough to understand the situation they’re in instead of the endless “building for the future, we win football games” bullshit? I have been a proponent of the build via the draft forever but recognize your fucking situation.
What is the likelihood Nub will be a HOFer like Rodgers? Not very good. What is the likelihood the Goof Troop will assemble a world champion defense even if Nub takes over because they stick with this endless loop of building for the future? Not very good.
Suck it up. Would you guys really not be able to cope with a full rebuild around your new super star Nub? You sign Alexander, keep Kenny and burn the rest down. Yes, I’m all for it if they can get some more hardware with Rodgers going out the door. Would anyone really get warped at Gunt for a rebuild after winning a Super Bowl? If so, you’re a fucking idiot.
“This ain’t Madden”. Well no shit, how about using a fucking 4th rounder or any pick on huge deficiencies? Nope, Nub is sooo fucking incredible we can just say fuck this current team, we’re on to the future. Gunt you’re this close. Finish the fucking job.
I’m saying he’s doing what all players do when they’ve had a great season and don’t have any more contractual leverage. You don’t think Jaire is going to be pounding his fist to capitalize on his all pro season? Davante? Gute is free to move on after ‘21, with a minor hit, and assemble the fucking 85 Bears around Love with the savings.
It doesn’t take a genius GM to assemble a SB roster, John Elway, it takes a genius GM to build one and keep it. It’s no coincidence that the last 5 SB winners were teams with either a QB on a rookie contract or with Tom Brady giving a discount...and it’s no coincidence that the wheels fell off each team after they signed their QB to a mega deal or lost Tom Brady. I will be pissed as fucking hell if we turn into the Bears and Lions, by doing what Denver did, just to get Rodgers one more ring. That shit is lame.
It feels to me like the FO and Rodgers are both trying to walk a tightrope. Both trying to keep options open and both still wanting to win. The cap is making it harder for both sides.
Bottom line is both Rodgers and the front office should just sell their souls to win another SB.
Well, Aaron did get engaged.
Yeah.
I'll never get that part of my soul back either. 
Per Orlovsky:
"Because what you've done recently when it comes to your draft picks does not tell me that Aaron Rodgers is going to be there long-term."
Well, there goes my dream of Rodgers playing for my Packers for a another 40 years.
No war for me, I was there in the best of times.
Or the worst of times....
BK, by selling their souls (collectively) I assume that means Rodgers takes a significant pay cut? It’s the only real path toward adding more talent.
The time for teams to go “all in” are when they are paying a QB on their rookie deal or in the case of Tom Brady who decided winning Superbowls was more important than being the highest paid guy in the league.
It’s simple economics. You pay one guy nearly 20% of the cap and it’s virtually impossible to add and maintain a good enough roster to be a legit contender.
But I agree - in theory it’s a two way street that could happen but a lot depends on Rodgers. The Packers can’t manipulate the salary cap to add more money without something happening to Rodgers and his contract.
Per Orlovsky:
"Because what you've done recently when it comes to your draft picks does not tell me that Aaron Rodgers is going to be there long-term."
Well, there goes my dream of Rodgers playing for my Packers for a another 40 years.
Okay, so maybe Orlovsky wasn't the best quote to choose but the sentiment of the draft being an indicator is what I agree with.
@Tschmack posted:BK, by selling their souls (collectively) I assume that means Rodgers takes a significant pay cut? It’s the only real path toward adding more talent.
The time for teams to go “all in” are when they are paying a QB on their rookie deal or in the case of Tom Brady who decided winning Superbowls was more important than being the highest paid guy in the league.
It’s simple economics. You pay one guy nearly 20% of the cap and it’s virtually impossible to add and maintain a good enough roster to be a legit contender.
But I agree - in theory it’s a two way street that could happen but a lot depends on Rodgers. The Packers can’t manipulate the salary cap to add more money without something happening to Rodgers and his contract.
It’s the reality of the league today. To go all in the QB needs to make it happen.
BPA every time you're on the clock.
They obviously felt Love was BPA in round 1 last year. Certainly didn't draft for need there. Round 2, AJ Dillon, didn't draft for need there.
So far, Gutey is doing fine, IMO.
I loved the draft. Still scratch my head every time someone bashes the Deguara pick. He looked superb before he got hurt. That block against the Vikings still makes me giggle. The only other play from 2020 that affects me is AJ Dillon’s shirt yardage TD against the Titans. That was sick!
@Goalline posted:If going all in means drafting for need, I’m out. Drafting a bunch of lesser players to fill your needs is a recipe for disaster. Nothing else.
Prime example is the 1999 Packers draft (aka the Randy Moss draft response).
| Round | Sel# | Player | Pos. | College |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 | 25 | Antuan Edwards | FS | Clemson |
| 2 | 47 | Fred Vinson | CB | Vanderbilt |
| 3 | 87 | Mike McKenzie | CB | Memphis |
| 3 | 94 | Cletidus Hunt | DT | Kentucky State |
| 4 | 131 | Aaron Brooks | QB | Virginia |
| 4 | 133 | Josh Bidwell | P | Oregon |
| 5 | 159 | De'mond Parker | RB | Oklahoma |
| 5 | 163 | Craig Heimburger | G | Missouri |
| 6 | 196 | Dee Miller | WR | Ohio State |
| 6 | 203 | Scott Curry | T | Montana |
| 7 | 212 | Chris Akins | FS | Arkansas-Pine Bluff |
| 7 | 213 | Donald Driver | WR | Alcorn State |
As usual, MiPack2 hits it way out of the park.
@Goalline posted:If going all in means drafting for need, I’m out. Drafting a bunch of lesser players to fill your needs is a recipe for disaster. Nothing else.
That’s why you look to actively move up for legit talent in the range you’re drafting in. You have no FA ability and you have Lowry, Lancaster and maybe Martin and Barnes. You simply don’t ignore a MASSIVE hole in the middle of your defense. You can’t keep singing the praises of BPA when you have done shit to fix the problem.
Goof troop has exacerbated the issue. It needs to be addressed. This isn’t a Moss situation. It’s a self made crisis on defense.
