@packerboi posted:Already linked as a potential replacement should the Packers lose out on Jones:
Seahawks informed RB Chris Carson that they will not place their franchise tag on him, per source. Carson set to hit free agency.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 9, 2021
I don’t understand this. Isn’t this the reason you drafted Dillon? If Jones is gone keeping Williams should be a reasonable deal.
What happened to the talk of James White signing with the Packers? If both Williams and Jones sign elsewhere White would be a good compliment to Dillon.
If the Packers drop any big coin for a FA acquisition, do it for David.
No one else--at any position--is worth it.
So this is fun, my Season Ticket invoice went from $2,888 last year to $3,064 this year. That’s the biggest jump in one year I’ve ever seen. Hopefully they use it all in free agency.
I’m sure people will be thrilled with this.
The Packers remain the only team in the NFL to not use the franchise tag in the last 10 years. They last used it on nose tackle Ryan Pickett in 2010. 
@NumberThree posted:So this is fun, my Season Ticket invoice went from $2,888 last year to $3,064 this year. That’s the biggest jump in one year I’ve ever seen. Hopefully they use it all in free agency.
I’m sure people will be thrilled with this.
I thought the NFL was going to have a gigantic deal with what, Amazon?? Should that help with the lowering of ticket prices?? or am I wrong?? That’s a big increase. 😳
My guess is as part of the new collective bargaining agreement, the NFL is allowed to add a 17th regular-season game to the schedule, while reducing the preseason to three games, so some season ticket holders will pay more if the NFL moves to a 17-game season. Packers' Gold package ticket holders will get the extra game.
@NumberThree posted:So this is fun, my Season Ticket invoice went from $2,888 last year to $3,064 this year. That’s the biggest jump in one year I’ve ever seen. Hopefully they use it all in free agency.
I’m sure people will be thrilled with this.
Yea but, if there is a 17 game season, and its the NFC who hosts it, you get 3 games instead of 2. Understand kimo sabe?
That’s why god invented TV
Getting real close to the start of FA with no Rodgers restructure. I’m pretty sure D. Adams only restructures if Rodgers does. It’s kind of a 2 for 1 deal cause Adams wants to play with Rodgers. That’s a lot of $ free’d up for building a roster to win now and what they can do! This is getting concerning for me as we’re getting so close.
@GB-Brandon posted:Getting real close to the start of FA with no Rodgers restructure. .. This is getting concerning for me as we’re getting so close.
It wouldn’t surprise me that Rodgers has restructured and doesn’t want it publicized. He’s not an attention hound like TB and operates with a different mentality.
@PA green & gold posted:It wouldn’t surprise me that Rodgers has restructured and doesn’t want it publicized. He’s not an attention hound like TB and operates with a different mentality.
Lets hope that’s the case and it isn’t more that Rodgers is pushing toward a “5 Year Extension”(which I believe he deserves and would free up more $) along with certain personnel demands & Gute is stuck at converting some $ over the next couple years protecting the future of his developmental QB and there is some type of stand still. I think people need to remember that this is a team that has come very close several times over the course of the last five years and the front office has certainly done some questionable things in regards to getting the team Over The Hump. By all accounts Rodgers appears to have come to a place of acceptance of certain things but that doesn’t mean he is going to continue to accept how the Packers front office continues to go about things. Should be interesting.
To be fair, Adams can’t restructure his contract since he’s in a contract year. They have to extend him which would seem to be a much more difficult prospect than just paying out bonuses and spreading that money out. They’ve been negotiating with Aaron Jones for a year it seems, hard to think they could get a big new contract done with Adams in a short amount of time. Rodgers has 3 more years, so they can spread money out and push costs down the road.
I don't get the speculation on the RB position. Dillon is your starter in 2021. RBs drafted in the second are supposed to start. And Dillon showed he can play in his one game with extended playing time. Bring back Williams on a reasonable contract and draft a guy late and you're set at RB.
@GB-Brandon posted:Lets hope that’s the case and it isn’t more that Rodgers is pushing toward a “5 Year Extension”(which I believe he deserves and would free up more $) along with certain personnel demands & Gute is stuck at converting some $ over the next couple years protecting the future of his developmental QB and there is some type of stand still.
I don't need challengers as the longest run on sentence guy. THE GAUNTLET HAS BEEN THROWN DOWN!
I think people need to remember that this is a team that has come very close several times over the course of the last five years and the front office has certainly done some questionable things in regards to getting the team Over The Hump. By all accounts Rodgers appears to have come to a place of acceptance of certain things but that doesn’t mean he is going to continue to accept how the Packers front office continues to go about things. Should be interesting.
The FO MO has to change. It's not even that drastic of a change either. Shit, rotate years to pump in capital for the here and now then a year to build. Also, we're talking about trying to maximize the remaining Rodgers years. Doesn't mean the whole "build for the future" bit has to be abandoned but do they really think the chance of having a 3rd HOFer is realistic? You want to talk about maximizing personnel, you have a guy that literally makes the entire offense better. How can legitimately building out the defense not have a snowball effect?
@GB-Brandon posted:Getting real close to the start of FA with no Rodgers restructure.
you know no such thing. All you know is that it hasn't been announced. Rodgers and Russ sit down every year and talk about the structure and numbers, that's being going on for a decade. If you want to clench your sphincter, feel free to do so. But its not like the Packers woke up in Feb and said:
"Geez, what are we going to do ?"
@CUPackFan posted:I don't get the speculation on the RB position. Dillon is your starter in 2021. RBs drafted in the second are supposed to start. And Dillon showed he can play in his one game with extended playing time. Bring back Williams on a reasonable contract and draft a guy late and you're set at RB.
MLF said he wants a full stable of 4 RBs, each with a different skill set. So there really isn't as much emphasis on the "starter" nomenclature. They'll rotate throughout the game/season and we saw Jones' snaps and usage taper off so he would be fresh for the playoff run. MM rotated RBs by series and we saw some of the same from MLF too - so I think you can expect a committee approach again this year.
@Satori posted:you know no such thing. All you know is that it hasn't been announced. Rodgers and Russ sit down every year and talk about the structure and numbers, that's being going on for a decade. If you want to clench your sphincter, feel free to do so. But its not like the Packers woke up in Feb and said:
"Geez, what are we going to do ?"
Maybe or maybe not. It is March 11th. The Packers need $ NOW to compete next season. It also has been reported Rodgers wants a “New Deal.” It is also well known that “Mr. Love Machine” only has so many years on his rookie deal so time is ticking. Not real hard to piece this all together.
Rodgers and Russ “Ball Buster” can sit down all they want. If the power structure has dug in and determined they don’t want to commit to Rodgers past a certain year there is only so much to sit down and talk about.
What this message is basically determines the entire direction of the franchise.
@GB-Brandon posted:It also has been reported Rodgers wants a “New Deal.” It is also well known that “Mr. Love Machine” only has so many years on his rookie deal so time is ticking. Not real hard to piece this all together.
Rodgers and Russ “Ball Buster” can sit down all they want. If the power structure has dug in and determined they don’t want to commit to Rodgers past a certain year there is only so much to sit down and talk about.
What this message is basically determines the entire direction of the franchise.
The deal is most likley already done, they simply needed to wait for the final cap numbers to finalize everything.
If you have a chance to watch Rodgers on the Pat McAfee show, its always enlightening. That imaginary "report" that he wanted a new deal was simply click bait journalism and Rodgers shared the comment that he and the front office sit down at the end of every year and talk about the contract. Its just business as usual which is a far cry from breathlessly reporting that
"Rodgers wants a new deal !! "
AR will certainly want to extend it and there's value in doing that for both sides.
It gives him a longer runway in GB and also allows GB to recoup something in a trade in 2023/24 if that's the route they opt for. If he's not under contract or only has a year left, that reduces his trade value
As far as the power structure comments, this front office is as quiet as any in the business - they keep all of that under wraps and there isn't a loud mouthed owner like Jerruh in front of a microphone. That suggests that anybody talking about ego and power it is just speculating. There is zero substance to any of that talk (and that's the way 1265 likes it)
Love may or may not be the future, but one part fans forget about when talking about the "QB on a rookie deal" is how much cap pain is left over from the previous QB. The Saints are a prime example - and even if they get a new cheap QB, the shadow of Brees money impacts the QB on a rookie deal strategy.
The Packers under Andrew Brandt handled the Favray deal really well and GB wasn't paying for Bert years after he left. I suspect they'll do the same with Rodgers deal.
It is a monumental decision for the franchise, but both GB and AR have a track record of doing what's right - both for the individual and for the team. AR also knows that his very best chance to win another title, hinges in part on how much he hits the cap. He knows what's in his best interest and that will influence the structure and amount of his re-worked contract.
really interesting and long story about MVS. He believes he’s the answer to GB wide receiver needs. Talks about the difficulty in learning to work with Rodgers and the difficult childhood he grew up in.
@Satori posted:The deal is most likley already done, they simply needed to wait for the final cap numbers to finalize everything.
If you have a chance to watch Rodgers on the Pat McAfee show, its always enlightening. That imaginary "report" that he wanted a new deal was simply click bait journalism and Rodgers shared the comment that he and the front office sit down at the end of every year and talk about the contract. Its just business as usual which is a far cry from breathlessly reporting that
"Rodgers wants a new deal !! "AR will certainly want to extend it and there's value in doing that for both sides.
It gives him a longer runway in GB and also allows GB to recoup something in a trade in 2023/24 if that's the route they opt for. If he's not under contract or only has a year left, that reduces his trade valueAs far as the power structure comments, this front office is as quiet as any in the business - they keep all of that under wraps and there isn't a loud mouthed owner like Jerruh in front of a microphone. That suggests that anybody talking about ego and power it is just speculating. There is zero substance to any of that talk (and that's the way 1265 likes it)
Love may or may not be the future, but one part fans forget about when talking about the "QB on a rookie deal" is how much cap pain is left over from the previous QB. The Saints are a prime example - and even if they get a new cheap QB, the shadow of Brees money impacts the QB on a rookie deal strategy.
The Packers under Andrew Brandt handled the Favray deal really well and GB wasn't paying for Bert years after he left. I suspect they'll do the same with Rodgers deal.It is a monumental decision for the franchise, but both GB and AR have a track record of doing what's right - both for the individual and for the team. AR also knows that his very best chance to win another title, hinges in part on how much he hits the cap. He knows what's in his best interest and that will influence the structure and amount of his re-worked contract.
That’s all fine and dandy! It’s all a matter of opinion and speculation to mass degree I would agree. I don’t like the Saints comparison because I believe Rodgers is “More Talented” then Bree’’s and the Packers have not done what the Saints have done IMO putting that kind of talent around Rodgers so we don’t know the “End Result” so we can’t play that whole tape. If we get 2-3 Lombardi’s is it worth it? I don’t like the Favre comparison because he was showing signs of slowing down and throwing picks all over the place while threatening retirement putting pressure on the Packers front office. Rodgers just produced “The Highest Graded Season By A QB Of All-Time.”
Too me it comes down to what you see life looks like after Rodgers? I would rather leverage All The $ on the best player on your roster and maybe of all-time and extend him for 5 years which gives Rodgers the most security for the Packers to have the most amount of $ to win and secure GREATNESS NOW.
Why sacrifice all this for some development of a player that probably should of never even be drafted in the first place when there is Greatness right in front of our faces for the taking? This just doesn’t make any sense to me and never will. That’s what this all comes down too.
I’m simply saying it’s “March 11th”. Maybe we will hear of such a deal and I’m hoping we do. I just don’t trust this front office with recent moves made as much as you might. I’m taking Rodgers attitude with things on “TV Shows” as a sign of acceptance towards things more then anything. He knows he can’t play any better then he did last season and “IT WASN’T ENOUGH .” The man needs more help. A 5 year Extension with Rodgers participating fairly on his end satisfies this.
The ball is completely in the Packers front office court from everything I’ve heard. At some point it will all come out in the Wash.
@GB-Brandon posted:That’s all fine and dandy! It’s all a matter of opinion and speculation to mass degree I would agree. I don’t like the Saints comparison because I believe Rodgers is “More Talented” then Bree’’s and the Packers have not done what the Saints have done IMO putting that kind of talent around Rodgers
Why sacrifice all this for some development of a player that probably should of never even be drafted in the first place when there is Greatness right in front of our faces for the taking? This just doesn’t make any sense to me and never will. That’s what this all comes down too.
The Saints have spent wildly to support Drew and they've won fewer games, fewer playoff games, missed the playoffs 3 years in a row and won the same number of Lombardi's (with the help of Katrina)
Holding them up as a paragon of how to manage a roster is a strange take. The Saints did everything the fans wanted - and have less to show for it than the Packers - both in the past and going forward.
In fact, if you look at how bad Gute won the draft trade - its a complete indictment of the Saints front office. GB got Savage and Jaire out the 1st rounder they traded to the Saints, while the Saints got squat from DL Davenport. The Packers front office kicked their asses, yet you laud the Saints FO and cast aspersions on the Packers. That's an odd take.
The Packers just delivered the best offensive performance in the league without drafting any weapons. So the idea that drafting Love somehow caused the Packers to come up short is unsupported by reality. # 1 offense
IMO The Packers were plenty good enough and talented enough to beat the bucs, but unfortunately they came up short in crunch time. None of that is changed by who they drafted or didn't draft last April. It wasn't a roster issue in the NFCCG. ( although, the Bakh injury hurt)
You write well, you're passionate and are a fine addition to X4.
Welcome aboard.
But if you can't take in new information, then that limits the discussion a bit.
I am not concerned with being consistent in what I say
I am concerned with being consistent with The Truth as its revealed to me
Give some consideration to the possibility (however remote) that you may be mistaken in some of your beliefs about the Packers.
Me ?
I already know that I don't know squat and that's an incredibly liberating way to go through life - and it adds immensely to my enjoyment of the Green Bay Packers 
Cheers
There is no doubt in my mind the Packers were negatively impacted by Ted Thompson’s last 2-3 drafts because I’m not sure he was in good health at all. That’s on Mark Murphy. If his health was failing and he was not able to do his job they should have reacted much sooner than they did.
No different than them hanging onto Capers and MM as long as they did. Both of them should have been canned after the Seattle playoff debacle.
If I’m Rodgers, that’s what I’m frustrated and disappointed about. They easily pissed away 3-4 years of his career by not moving quickly enough on coaching or front office decisions.
Heck, I’m convinced drafting Love may have been the best decision because if it truly ticked off and motivated Rodgers to prove everyone wrong, well, that was a smart investment. If he plays like this going forward they have a great chance to win a title.
If you look at Gute, I think he’s more than held his own as GM. He’s not perfect, but he was dealt a shitty hand given 2015-2017 drafts. He basically had to make up several bad years of drafting on top of making normal personnel decisions. You can’t do that overnight.
As for New Orleans, had they been more responsible with the cap it’s possible they could land Watson or Wilson and still be a contender. Now? They are a mess. The Rams aren’t far behind. Maybe the Chiefs as well. As a team, you can’t spend like a drunken sailor. At some point you need to settle up and pay the bills.
A more positive view of what the FO is doing.
Gute has had some hits as draft picks (Jaire, Jenkins, Runyon, Savage) and some really bad ones (you can insert many names here). This draft will be telling.
@Satori posted:The Saints have spent wildly to support Drew and they've won fewer games, fewer playoff games, missed the playoffs 3 years in a row and won the same number of Lombardi's (with the help of Katrina)
Holding them up as a paragon of how to manage a roster is a strange take. The Saints did everything the fans wanted - and have less to show for it than the Packers - both in the past and going forward.In fact, if you look at how bad Gute won the draft trade - its a complete indictment of the Saints front office. GB got Savage and Jaire out the 1st rounder they traded to the Saints, while the Saints got squat from DL Davenport. The Packers front office kicked their asses, yet you laud the Saints FO and cast aspersions on the Packers. That's an odd take.
The Packers just delivered the best offensive performance in the league without drafting any weapons. So the idea that drafting Love somehow caused the Packers to come up short is unsupported by reality. # 1 offense
IMO The Packers were plenty good enough and talented enough to beat the bucs, but unfortunately they came up short in crunch time. None of that is changed by who they drafted or didn't draft last April. It wasn't a roster issue in the NFCCG. ( although, the Bakh injury hurt)
You write well, you're passionate and are a fine addition to X4.
Welcome aboard.
But if you can't take in new information, then that limits the discussion a bit.I am not concerned with being consistent in what I say
I am concerned with being consistent with The Truth as its revealed to meGive some consideration to the possibility (however remote) that you may be mistaken in some of your beliefs about the Packers.
Me ?
I already know that I don't know squat and that's an incredibly liberating way to go through life - and it adds immensely to my enjoyment of the Green Bay PackersCheers
Nowhere have I said a deal wasn’t or wouldn’t be struck or I knew of. I said we’re at “March 11” and free agency is days a way. The deal or lack of a deal pretty much describes the Future or potential length of future of Rodgers in Green Bay as well as how competitive a team they will field next year based on $ free’d up. There are many implications. Maybe they are planning a “Big Surprise” and to announce it on the eve of Free Agency. We’ll see.
I have no problem with your opinion and view and your right to have that. Many Packer fans feel this way and that is fine and it goes all the way back to Ted Thompson and beyond in some matters. I’m way past the point of having “Online Battles” regarding this. I’m kind of like Rodgers in the sense that I’m completely burnt out by it and have come to its acceptance. The fact that we have struck out 4 times since 2015 in NFC Champ games kinda proves what has or hasn’t been done. It doesn’t need to be constantly re-hashed. I’ve been to a couple of those games and all the heart ache. I’m thoroughly exhausted from this front office and I believe Rodgers is too to some extent. Just because he isn’t running around like Russell Wilson being a big baby doesn’t mean all is going well. He didn’t even announce his Engagement situation until now. What makes you think he is gonna blab his contract situation on a TV show?
The end is coming at some point of this era. I have actually accepted it in some ways already. Soon I suppose we’ll find out how long that era will potentially continue. Maybe they will surprise us. Well see. That’s where I’m at with it.
“Low Expectations”
@YATittle posted:A more positive view of what the FO is doing.
Jesus. WTF, why did Dunne even write this article?
The Packers are boldly bridging the present with the future, something other teams don’t dare attempt. By identifying a quarterback they loved and grooming that quarterback, the Packers can transition from one era to the next. Smoothly. Without free-falling into purgatory.
THAT'S THE PROBLEM!
"Something other teams don't dare attempt".
Jesus fuck.
So the subscription plan bridges the present with the future?
Dunne should sign up for ScrubStack.
I couldn't make it past that goofball paragraph.
The “Subscription Plan Bridges” on the Packer front office shoving Jordan Love down our throats.
@Satori posted:The Saints have spent wildly to support Drew and they've won fewer games, fewer playoff games, missed the playoffs 3 years in a row and won the same number of Lombardi's (with the help of Katrina)
Holding them up as a paragon of how to manage a roster is a strange take. The Saints did everything the fans wanted - and have less to show for it than the Packers - both in the past and going forward.
The Saints also had arguably the best draft class in the last 20 years in 2017 and even with mortgaging the cap to this year, still didn't make a Super Bowl. Not even sure they made an NFCC recently.
Brees and Payton walk on water in this league despite them having less success than Rodgers and McCarthy. And this is not to defend MM, only to say that the Saints have done less with more talent than the Packers, yet you never hear the criticism of Brees and Payton only playing in one Super Bowl like we have to hear.
And the Saints are going to be a disaster this year. There's cap hell and then there is what is happening to the Saints this year. Most teams have an easy way to get under the cap by restructuring a few big contracts, extending a few guys, and cutting some dead weight. Saints don't have that. Most of their guys have low salaries already so can't restructure to push out the cap hit. And can't just cut players b/c the dead cap hit is more than if they were to stay on the roster due to years of restructuring. The Saints rolled the dice on winning a title with Brees and came up snake eyes.
@GB-Brandon posted:The fact that we have struck out 4 times since 2015 in NFC Champ games kinda proves what has or hasn’t been done.
Yeah, clearly the Packers front office have not done their jobs. At least not compared to the other NFC teams that have been to conference championship game multiple times in the last seven years.
The Packers have been to four of them. I'll list the other teams with multiple appearances below...
Bunch of bullies around here.
There will be noogies.
You first, boy!
@PackerHawk posted:Yeah, clearly the Packers front office have not done their jobs. At least not compared to the other NFC teams that have been to conference championship game multiple times in the last seven years.
The Packers have been to four of them. I'll list the other teams with multiple appearances below...
What does any of that mean right now? It’s about as equivalent as the Marty Schottenheimer Cleveland Browns of the 80’s. Where did all this “Playing It Safe” really get them? They still have a cap problem. Now they want to attempt a seamless transition to more of it?
Shall we just go ahead then and rename it “NFC Championship Game Town”? Lets get the advertisement straight at least!
It also means we’ve lost more of them then the rest of the NFC too. This argument goes over as well as Vikings fans claiming victory because they at least made it to the Super Bowl 4 times
From NFL Now on @nflnetwork: The #Packers are not tendering QB Tim Boyle as a restricted free agent, which seemingly moves Jordan Love up to Aaron Rodgers' primary backup.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) March 12, 2021
