Adrian Amos restructured his deal to free up some cap room for Packers, per source.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 12, 2021
Wanna know what’s funny? If you go into a Green Bay Walmart they have these “Green Bay Packer Sections” and they have TV’s playing team highlights. Those TV’s aren’t playing any of the failing championship game highlights or even any of those teams regular season highlights for that matter. They are still playing the same damn 2010 Super Bowl Highlights still Over & Over & Over & Over!!!
Maybe Gute & Co. should actually start making some moves that are in the best interest of building a Super Bowl WINNER NOW while we still have a chance!
Its really about past due to update those damn TV’s!!
@michiganjoe posted:From NFL Now on @nflnetwork: The #Packers are not tendering QB Tim Boyle as a restricted free agent, which seemingly moves Jordan Love up to Aaron Rodgers' primary backup.
— Mike Garafolo (@MikeGarafolo) March 12, 2021
Already paying dividends. It's like running unopposed.
Of course, Brak is crushed.
@GB-Brandon posted:What does any of that mean right now? It’s about as equivalent as the Marty Schottenheimer Cleveland Browns of the 80’s. Where did all this “Playing It Safe” really get them? They still have a cap problem. Now they want to attempt a seamless transition to more of it?
Shall we just go ahead then and rename it “NFC Championship Game Town”? Lets get the advertisement straight at least!
The Packers strategy for the last 12 years has been to field a team (if Rodgers were healthy) that had a floor of about 9 wins. Try to make the playoffs every year, don't overspend in free agency, draft and develop, and hope to get catch some breaks and win it all once in a while. It worked once. I'd argue one somewhat underappreciated reason it worked in 2010 was they got 2 of their top 5 DBs as UDFAs and they were playing on minimum (Shields) or still relatively small (Tramon) contracts and playing at close to a Pro Bowl level. It would be like if Krys Barnes and Jamal Martin played at that level this year at ILB.
@GB-Brandon posted:Wanna know what’s funny? If you go into a Green Bay Walmart they have these “Green Bay Packer Sections” and they have TV’s playing team highlights. Those TV’s aren’t playing any of the failing championship game highlights or even any of those teams regular season highlights for that matter. They are still playing the same damn 2010 Super Bowl Highlights still Over & Over & Over & Over!!!
Maybe Gute & Co. should actually start making some moves that are in the best interest of building a Super Bowl WINNER NOW while we still have a chance!
Its really about past due to update those damn TV’s!!
Your first mistake was going into a Walmart. I'm pretty sure everyone is about 10 to 20 years behind.
@TomSilverstein: In addition to adjusting S Adrian Amos' deal, the #Packers have also altered OLB Preston Smith's to lower his salary cap number, a source said. Don't have the details yet, but Brian Gutekunst is tapping sources wherever he can in order to eliminate $9.7 million in cap overage.
https://twitter.com/TomSilvers...515296298078212?s=20
Doesn’t look like P. Smith is going anywhere. In fact this would make him harder to get rid of down the road.
This is starting to look like Rodgers is digging in on 1 + 4 which = 5 year Extension which would of relived the most amount of cap and the Packer Front Office is having no part of it.
Hate to jump the gun but this isn’t looking good.
And you know this how? Listening over the fence at 1265?
@Packiderm posted:Sweatpants never go out of style!
I'm all about them 4XL muumuus
@ammo posted:And you know this how? Listening over the fence at 1265?
I’ve heard it from multiple places. Mike Florio says he had sources early of this. It’s been on local radio all week about rumors of him wanting the “1+4 year Extension”. I’ve heard from local sources I trust too.
Where there is smoke there is usually fire. Now they basically spread money out on Preston Smith which is quite questionable I might add. Looks like they are using every means possible to get under the cap other then having to tinker with Rodgers contract.
Some believe that if Rodgers doesn’t get the commitment he feels he deserves from the Packers and the willingness from them to put the necessary pieces around him then he see’s no point in another half measured commitment. Could you blame him?
If that scenario plays out, and I always question Florio's bullshit, Rodgers better be some kind of fucking monster in the locker room for Gunt to justify that kind of move.
I'm not buying it but if there is this push to move on from Rodgers without a justifiable reason I'll take my stapler and burn that fucking building to the ground.
More on Preston Smith. Saves $7.25 million against 2021 cap through all the arcane bookkeeping at work.
@RapSheet: A breakdown of the adjusted contract for #Packers OLB Preston Smith, who now sticks in GB:
— $8M salary ($200K workout bonus, $300K in 46-mans, $6.5M signing bonus, $1M base.)
— $4.4M available in sack incentives, so he can eclipse the $12M he was set to earn before the redo.
@PeteDougherty: Move saves Packers $7.25M in cap room, close to the $8M they would have saved if they’d cut him but pushes $3.25 into ‘22 cap.
@Henry posted:I'm not buying it but if there is this push to move on from Rodgers without a justifiable reason I'll take my stapler and burn that fucking building to the ground.
And along with it will go any evidence of your unpaid season tickets for the last few years. Nice move.
Instead you could simply write a program to skim 10 cents from every every ticket for every game. You can probably hack the internal revenue software (IRS) of the Packer organization and install it. Who is going to miss $64000?
Don’t doubt the financial jeenyus of Russ Balls
Smith restructure is a win for all parties. Pretty clear this one was almost certainly worked out when Gutey said Preston would be with the team next year.
@GB-Brandon posted:I’ve heard it from multiple places. Mike Florio says he had sources early of this. It’s been on local radio all week about rumors of him wanting the “1+4 year Extension”. I’ve heard from local sources I trust too.
Where there is smoke there is usually fire. Now they basically spread money out on Preston Smith which is quite questionable I might add. Looks like they are using every means possible to get under the cap other then having to tinker with Rodgers contract.
Some believe that if Rodgers doesn’t get the commitment he feels he deserves from the Packers and the willingness from them to put the necessary pieces around him then he see’s no point in another half measured commitment. Could you blame him?
Rodgers has 3 seasons left on his contract. There’s no benefit to him not agreeing to a simple restructuring other than to just be an asshole, which doesn’t track with him. Restructure doesn’t mean extension and it has no downside for Rodgers. If anything restructuring in a dramatic way supports his WIN NOW goal.
The downside is really only for GB because they would just be pushing out the dead money beyond possibly when they’re going to keep him. If they don’t restructure his deal, which I will be shocked if they don’t, it’s because 1) they’re cash poor and can’t afford pay out a huge bonus or 2) they’re trying to limit the dead money on his final two years, which right now are pretty reasonable.
The only reason we haven’t seen a restructure yet is either one of the previous reasons or because they’re working on an extension and massaging all the numbers.
@GB-Brandon posted:I’ve heard it from multiple places. Mike Florio says he had sources early of this. It’s been on local radio all week about rumors of him wanting the “1+4 year Extension”. I’ve heard from local sources I trust too.
Where there is smoke there is usually fire. Now they basically spread money out on Preston Smith which is quite questionable I might add. Looks like they are using every means possible to get under the cap other then having to tinker with Rodgers contract.
Some believe that if Rodgers doesn’t get the commitment he feels he deserves from the Packers and the willingness from them to put the necessary pieces around him then he see’s no point in another half measured commitment. Could you blame him?
Florio is a shit-stirring, Packer-hating prick of a Viking fan. He takes every opportunity to create any sense of drama that he can. Fuck that guy.
GB is an organization that historically keeps their business very private. Unless you have "local sources" directly employed by the organization, and you might, you're likely just hearing manufactured BS from a fanboy.
@GB-Brandon posted:Wanna know what’s funny? If you go into a Green Bay Walmart they have these “Green Bay Packer Sections” and they have TV’s playing team highlights. Those TV’s aren’t playing any of the failing championship game highlights or even any of those teams regular season highlights for that matter. They are still playing the same damn 2010 Super Bowl Highlights still Over & Over & Over & Over!!!
Maybe Gute & Co. should actually start making some moves that are in the best interest of building a Super Bowl WINNER NOW while we still have a chance!
Its really about past due to update those damn TV’s!!
That's WalMart cable for you! It doesn't go past 2010, on anything.
"Florio is a shit-stirring, Packer-hating prick of a Viking fan. He takes every opportunity to create any sense of drama that he can. Fuck that guy."
Yep, Florio is all that. I'll bet he got beat up a lot in school. His love of the vikings and hatred of the Packers stems from jealousy staring him in his face, of Packers' success. 13 Championships are a hard thing to ignore, for a spud like Florio, and an even harder thing for his team, to emulate.
@Grave Digger posted:The only reason we haven’t seen a restructure yet is either one of the previous reasons or because they’re working on an extension and massaging all the numbers.
Quite Franky, any change/finalization to ARs deal may be hinging on what they can do with other players first.
https://www.packersnews.com/st...ce-moves/4671292001/
Love better than Boyle? or just keeping Love cuz he's a first rounder, just like Sherman kept BJ Sander?
If Love isn't a better player than Boyle.....good god.
Okay Okay. I get the Florio stuff but it’s easy to see where Rodgers after the season he just had and the team falling short is only interested in A) Getting the full 5 year Extension which creates the most cap relief(some estimate 22-26 million of free’d up $) now and gives him the most security to allow for the best chance of securing a championship or B) just sitting tight in his current contract which he has a path out after the 2021 season and allows him to try an navigate towards a front office “More Willing” to acquire pieces around him that will make a bigger commitment towards that.
I don’t believe any of this has to do with Rodgers playing for the Packers in 2021 as that is most certainly a done deal. I believe it is a situation and a Power Struggle where Rodgers wants to feel security and WIN NOW while the Packers want to maintain leverage and flexibility without having to commit too far down the road with Rodgers and protecting their developmental QB and “Seamless Transition” which all the sudden is becoming a narrative.
It does make sense however where if the Packers and Rodgers come to this “1+ 4 = 5 year Extension” it pushes Jordan Love all the way out to their 5th year option. Once again this is why I hated this JL pick so much. It just appears to be causing such compounding issues all the way around. Is any of this even in question if the Packers don’t make that pick?
I'm coming to see this a little differently. I hated the Love pick (duh), but two things.
1) Gork really liked this kid beyond any possible controversy it would cause.
2) There is zero chance the Packers would be in the top of the draft as long as Rodgers is on this team.
#1 is highly questionable thinking considering Love had one good year in a dump off offense. #2 is completely logical.
Is it realistic that Glerp saw the only opportunity to possibly get a top tier QB in remaining Rodgers years for Rodgers replacement? Is it possible this wasn't a force Rodgers hand or QB controversy and simply seeing a bargain that wouldn't likely come along again with Rodgers on the squad? Yes. At least I hope that's what the thinking was.
Anyway you want to classify it, it's still "drafting for need" or even a reach. So let's not hear about the board or drafting for need arguments. You have holes, fill them Gump. Fill your holes now. You can at least try to fill all your holes.
I like the idea behind it but not particularly inspired on who they drafted. I don't think it's going to be that much of a bargain quite frankly. Guess we'll see.
@Boris posted:https://www.packersnews.com/st...ce-moves/4671292001/
Love better than Boyle? or just keeping Love cuz he's a first rounder, just like Sherman kept BJ Sander?
If Love isn't a better player than Boyle.....good god.
If Love isn't better than Boyle at this point, there is obviously a major problem.
The thing that still puzzles me is why the Packers decided during the playoffs that Boyle was a better option if Rodgers went down during a game than Love. Why did they keep Boyle active over Love? I get that thinking maybe the first few weeks of the season just due to practice reps, but after 5 months of practice they still didn't think Love gave them a better chance than Boyle?
Whether Love is a poor man's Mahomes or a bust, they are going to commit to him as the starter no later than 2023. They can't get into that fifth-year option decision in 2024 without seeing if he can actually play. Anything else and it's an admission they messed up in the 2020 draft.
None of us have any idea how good or bad he's looked in practice. The reporting on this out of Green Bay has been close to zero. Maybe it's the pandemic that limited access? At some point now, if you were a good local beat reporter, you'd ask guys that are leaving this year from the organization (Linsley, A. Jones, Kirksey, etc.) how Love looked running plays for the scout team.
It's pretty simple. They have to see if they wasted a pick.
Current packers cap status https://t.co/ZnkoKIHV2S
— Ama Deisel (@amar3455) March 13, 2021
@TomPelissero: The #Packers continue to clear cap space, doing a simple restructure with OL Billy Turner, source said. Straight salary conversion.
@Henry posted:I'm coming to see this a little differently. I hated the Love pick (duh), but two things.
1) Gork really liked this kid beyond any possible controversy it would cause.
2) There is zero chance the Packers would be in the top of the draft as long as Rodgers is on this team.
#1 is highly questionable considering Love had one good year in a dump off offense. #2 is completely logical.
Is it realistic that Glerp saw the only opportunity to possibly get a top tier QB in remaining Rodgers years for Rodgers replacement? Is it possible this wasn't a force Rodgers hand or QB controversy and simply seeing a bargain that wouldn't likely come along again with Rodgers on the squad? Yes. At least I hope that's what the thinking was.
Anyway you want to classify it, it's still "drafting for need" or even a reach. So let's not hear about the board or drafting for need arguments. You have holes, fill them Gump. Fill your holes now. You can at least try to fill all your holes.
I like the idea behind it but not particularly inspired on who they drafted. I don't think it's going to be that much of a bargain quite frankly. Guess we'll see.
In other words, for Gutey's long-term job security as a GM in Green Bay, it was more important to optimize your chances of not completely cratering in 2024-26 after Rodgers is gone than to maximize your chances of winning it all this year.
If they don't have a plan for after Rodgers, they risk some 4-12 type years as they build back up and try to find a QB. That's what gets GMs and coaches fired. If Love is even serviceable it probably takes 4-12 off the table and 8-8 type records keep your job safe.
This past offseason, Tampa Bay's GM was on the hot seat. He made decisions for 2020 and wasn't planning for 2024. It worked for him. The Saints and Texans GMs were making the same decisions to win now for the last year or two. O'Brien is already gone and left a dumpster fire and the Saints are looking at some lean times in the next few years. Gutey was playing the long game of trying to make sure the team was never a trainwreck.
Essentially but the driving force is he really believes Love is a high 1st rounder and he'll never see a deal like this again in the near future. I don't know if he was factoring in anything considering Rodgers or even where Love fit into the whole scenario. I think he just saw the deal and pulled the trigger. In a way, I hope that was the reasoning because all the other shit that's coming along with it is highly questionable.
@Henry posted:I'm coming to see this a little differently. I hated the Love pick (duh), but two things.
1) Gork really liked this kid beyond any possible controversy it would cause.
2) There is zero chance the Packers would be in the top of the draft as long as Rodgers is on this team.
#1 is highly questionable thinking considering Love had one good year in a dump off offense. #2 is completely logical.
Is it realistic that Glerp saw the only opportunity to possibly get a top tier QB in remaining Rodgers years for Rodgers replacement? Is it possible this wasn't a force Rodgers hand or QB controversy and simply seeing a bargain that wouldn't likely come along again with Rodgers on the squad? Yes. At least I hope that's what the thinking was.
Anyway you want to classify it, it's still "drafting for need" or even a reach. So let's not hear about the board or drafting for need arguments. You have holes, fill them Gump. Fill your holes now. You can at least try to fill all your holes.
I like the idea behind it but not particularly inspired on who they drafted. I don't think it's going to be that much of a bargain quite frankly. Guess we'll see.
They not only “Reached” but traded up so to do it! They completely jumped off the reservation and the backdraft is still being felt. The reports on Love weren’t great in camp. Maybe he gets better. I believe his processing and decision making will be the biggest problems moving forward. Now this organization is making all these roster moves to basically accommodate for his development. They are leveraging all these guys contracts. Just now added Billy Turner to the group. Like I posted earlier would you rather leverage all the $ on Rodgers or on a cumulation of guys which some are JAGS?
They are doing all this in the name of Jordan Love and to protect their decision. A guy who the great Bill Belichick “Who Needed A QB” passed on rather easily!
@GB-Brandon posted:Once again this is why I hated this JL pick so much. It just appears to be causing such compounding issues all the way around. Is any of this even in question if the Packers don’t make that pick?
2020 was really the prime year to take a QB. If Love ISNT ready early, they have Rodgers for 4 seasons and then can give Love a 1 year tryout on a modest QB deal (5th year option) and decide whether to extend or move on during the 2025 season...or if he really stinks by year 4 they can extend Rodgers. If Love IS ready early then they only have to have Rodgers cap burden for ‘20 and ‘21 because his dead money in ‘22 and ‘23 are pretty manageable. Taking a QB before or after creates awkward timing with the cap.
They ditched Boyle because they have so much invested at QB already on the roster. Boyle isn’t special, I mean I hope he has success elsewhere, but he deserves league minimum at this point.
Theyre doing all this restructuring because GB is a team that spends their cap every year and no one saw a reduced cap coming 3 years ago when they signed all these free agents. They had to do all this to afford a draft class and the key RFAs that they need to re-sign. They need ~$10M under the cap to do all of that.
@GB-Brandon posted:What does any of that mean right now? It’s about as equivalent as the Marty Schottenheimer Cleveland Browns of the 80’s. Where did all this “Playing It Safe” really get them? They still have a cap problem. Now they want to attempt a seamless transition to more of it?
Shall we just go ahead then and rename it “NFC Championship Game Town”? Lets get the advertisement straight at least!
It means they are in the hunt for a title just about every year that Rodgers is healthy. You are not going to win a Super Bowl if you aren't good enough to get to the conference championship game.
Let me put it this way. The Patriots have been the gold standard for best run organization in the NFL. Hands down. So if the point here is the Packers are not the Patriots then I'd agree 100%. But after the Patriots, who has the 2nd best run organization since 2010? Make a legit case for a team other than Green Bay. And then tell me some more about how the Packers front office haven't done their jobs.
I would hope they already have a pretty good idea of Loves potential.....I realize that real game situations are the final test, but as to arm, brains and body makeup , they should have a pretty good idea.
@PackerHawk posted:It means they are in the hunt for a title just about every year that Rodgers is healthy. You are not going to win a Super Bowl if you aren't good enough to get to the conference championship game.
Let me put it this way. The Patriots have been the gold standard for best run organization in the NFL. Hands down. So if the point here is the Packers are not the Patriots then I'd agree 100%. But after the Patriots, who has the 2nd best run organization since 2010? Make a legit case for a team other than Green Bay. And then tell me some more about how the Packers front office haven't done their jobs.
No, I don’t believe there has been enough urgency and that they have gotten way too cute about things overall. Building a winning team and a Super Bowl Champion are two completely different things. The league is way too competitive and IMO they have relied way too much on Rodgers being the equalizer rather then building a roster and sometimes even a coaching staff that can step on opponents throats.
You keep wanting to compare us to “Other Teams” but I don’t get caught up so much into that or that rabbit hole because we have had AR12 who is arguably the best of all time. We can even run it back farther to the last 30 years which we have had HOF QB play with only two world championships to show for. So yes, the franchise has been successful in securing those QB’s but has not been successful in maximizing that talent in terms of WNNING WORLD CHAMPIONSHIP’S!
At the end of the end of the day what is your benchmark of success? Is it division titles and some playoff wins? Or is it winning Lombardi Trophies? Because if it is winning Lombardi Trophies “Your Missing The Mark” and something needs to change about how your going about things!! To continue the same behavior and expect a different result is “INSANITY.” I didn’t know comparing ourselves to the Minnesota’s and Detroit’s of the World was an Option!
Now I know the situations are different and I have no idea if Love will ever be a capable starter.......but everything that's being said about Love has already been said about Rodgers from 2005-2007. Remember how Craig Nall was relegated to third string ONLY because of Rodgers draft status? I do. I also remember all the terrible training camp reports about Rodgers those first two years. We just don't know right now so I'm not even going to waste energy speculating, let alone trying to factor in Rodgers future.
And for the record, I didn't like the pick. But to feel better about it I just tell myself that we were going to draft the next Datone Jones, Damarious Randall, Nick Perry or Derrick Sherrod with that late first round pick. Then I don't feel as bad we picked a guy that may never start for the Packers.