@MichiganPacker2 posted:Most of us would take an extra 10 million to go to a team that has a long-shot chance of winning a Super Bowl (it's not like he's going to the Lions or Jets) than a team like the Bucs, Bills, Packers, or Chiefs with a 10-20% chance.
There are a lot of average or bad NFL teams, with maybe just 5 or 6 good ones with a legit shot at the Owl. I see the Cardinals chances somewhere between slim and none with their current roster and Kingsbury as the HC.
That’s fine but then his agent and the media need to cut the shit about him chasing a ring. He’s doing what 90% of professional athletes do and that’s chase the money and if you can contend that’s a bonus.
Let’s not forget as good as Reggie White and Charles Woodson were they signed in GB because the Packers were offering the most money. It just so happened they also got a ring but more often than not these guys will go to the highest bidder.
Brady is one of the only guys I can think of that took less money to win.
By the way, Arizona has a lot of quality of life things the Packers and Wisconsin do not. Standard of living is still pretty affordable (although increasing with all the Cali residents migrating), the weather is fantastic, and there’s a lot to do in Phoenix area. But “winning a title” isn’t in the cards (no pun intended) with that team.
So, should the Pack make a run at a Shaq Barrett or a Lavonte David? Expensive, but very impactful players.
Barrett seems like more of a 4-3 rush end guy. David? I would absolutely make an offer for that guy. The issue is I still think they still need a DE to take some heat off of Clark inside.
@H5 posted:ARI could be looking at 4th place in the West.
SEA with Wilson; LAR with Stafford and that D; SFO with Garapolo Cousins
FTFY.
@Tschmack posted:That’s fine but then his agent and the media need to cut the shit about him chasing a ring. He’s doing what 90% of professional athletes do and that’s chase the money and if you can contend that’s a bonus.
Let’s not forget as good as Reggie White and Charles Woodson were they signed in GB because the Packers were offering the most money. It just so happened they also got a ring but more often than not these guys will go to the highest bidder.
Brady is one of the only guys I can think of that took less money to win.
By the way, Arizona has a lot of quality of life things the Packers and Wisconsin do not. Standard of living is still pretty affordable (although increasing with all the Cali residents migrating), the weather is fantastic, and there’s a lot to do in Phoenix area. But “winning a title” isn’t in the cards (no pun intended) with that team.
Brady's wife being worth 400 million on her own makes Brady's decisions a little easier.
AR12 should ahve told him to come to the Packers and he could have used his pull and got him a minority position as a Bucks owner.
I agree that athletes should just shut up about chasing a ring and "wanting to win now." Don't feed that line to anyone until after you sign a contract that truly is lower than an advertised better deal. Just shut up, sign, and make the most money you wanted in the first place.
Frankly, I really doubt Watt makes it through another year unscathed anyway. I was torn if he should sign with GB. If he does, he helps the DL; if he doesn't, maybe we keep a piece or two more than we would have kept.
Jodie Foster, Packers fan!
After accepting her award, Foster revealed she’d already heard back from Rodgers, who opted for a creative way to congratulate her.
She told reporters in the Golden Globes’ virtual press room Sunday that she’s a huge Packers fan. “In fact I just got a very cute video from Aaron Rodgers, where he says he’s going to get me back. So I’m looking forward to this. We’ll see who wins,” she added.
As it turns out, Sunday was merely the latest chapter in what has become a platonic love fest of sorts between Foster and Rodgers. In early February, Rodgers included Foster in his acceptance speech after receiving the 2020 NFL Most Valuable Player award.
I'd be curious what the general tone would be if we had won the Super Bowl last year. Would we still be still be on the "all in" train? Would all in mean just keeping our core intact?
@DocBenni posted:I'd be curious what the general tone would be if we had won the Super Bowl last year. Would we still be still be on the "all in" train? Would all in mean just keeping our core intact?
Not with that defense. I'm from the school of smear the QB line of defense. Knock the QB on his ass early and the rest is a lot easier.
In today's football you are only going to disrupt good QBs by getting pressure without blitzing. Until you can get guys up front to win their match-ups I don't care what scheme you use. The defensive backfield and to a certain extent (late in season) the ILBers played better this season, but the Smith's regressing in their pass rush is what kept the defense from taking another step..... and please don't anyone try saying it was because P. Smith was "always in coverage" , because ; 1) He wasn't 2) Maybe when they did send him to coverage it was because they knew there was no way in hell he was beating his block. I look at it a lot like basketball. You can beat bad teams by full court pressing them, but with the improved skill level of players, you won't beat good teams and just create offense for them by aggressively pressing (not to be confused with "nuisance pressing", which is in vogue now to eat up offenses shot clock) .
Here's another idea, the Packers go all in, but not until next year. Yes, you do some restructuring this year to get under the cap, but not to an extreme extent. I understand that we're "wasting" another year of AR. However, the opportunity to really improve given the current salary cap, might not be this year. As an example: your team really needs a QB, but this year's class is terrible. However, next year's class is awesome. Is it better to bolster your roster now and get your QB next year rather than reach for a position of need? The same could be said for this year's strange situation.
Is it possible that the restructuring could be done so that we are flush with cap space next year? I really don't know the answer to that. But, if it can be done, I would speculate that there will be plenty of guys on one year deals from this upcoming year that are available again and looking for longer contracts.
If you can tag Jones this year, fine. But Dillon was drafted for a reason, and big contracts to RB's have historically given a poor ROI. Linsley will likely be too expensive to keep. If you re-work Adams, Rodgers, and the Smiths you've kept your core together and, barring injuries, should be in a position to compete this year as well as next.
This ‘ all in’ window is only open as long as AR is upright. Looks like he has several good years left. So....stand idle for a year or two, get the financial house in order and hope he still has it and then shoot the wad?
@DocBenni posted:I'd be curious what the general tone would be if we had won the Super Bowl last year. Would we still be still be on the "all in" train? Would all in mean just keeping our core intact?
I think you invest in your own guys when you know they are good and play positions where their skill set is likely to age well.
In other words, you don't ever spend big money on a RB and you don't extend WRs for big money after about age 30 or 31.
All-in this year would mean resigning Linsley and actually adding some guys from this draft class that will help the team this year. I'd make the tough decision to let Aaron Jones walk knowing that he'll likely look really good for a year or two somewhere else, but likely have an albatross of a contract as he ages.
I would have liked JJ Watt, but that contract was ridiculous in terms of guaranteed money. They just need to draft some talent that can help this year, instead of using most of their draft capital on guys that may allow them to remain decent in 2023.
The whole "wasting" concept is bullshit He has had plenty of input in wasting seasons and FF has wasted fucking seasons by bonehead interceptions that is beyond comprehension. The team, with emphasis on team, just needs to play better when they have the opportunity.
The part I’m struggling with is if you go back over ARs career and look at some of those playoff losses it’s generally been their lack of making key plays at key moments or melting down (mistakes) or bad decisions (coaching) or a combination of all of those things.
I mean, we’ve dissected the TB game 1,000 times over but honestly the game was decided by a handful of plays within about 90 seconds. The dropped INT before half that continued the TB drive that resulted in the Scotty Miller TD and the Aaron Jones fumble and one play TD coming out of halftime. If the Packers simply execute - it’s pretty damn likely they win the game with the team and roster they have.
Not unlike the 2014 debacle in Seattle or the 2011 playoff game against the NYG.
I don’t care if the Packers had JJ Watt and Von Miller in their prime they weren’t beating SF the NFCCG or ATL the couple of years before that in the NFCCG.
You can always say “go all in” but that’s simplistic thinking at best. It pains me to say it, but Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, Kevin King, Rick Wagner, and Billy Turner picked the wrong time to play their worst games of the season against the Bucs. And Pettine and MLF certainly didn’t rise to the occasion either. It happens.
In a perfect world, we’d love for the Packers to bring back all their guys and sign a bunch of free agents and nail every single draft pick. But it’s not that easy. In this day and age of the NFL, your window for winning and success is timing based on the QB. More importantly, how much the QB is making. Once you pay or start paying the QB 15-20% of the cap you are already behind the 8 ball. Look no further than Seattle, the Rams, Philly, etc. It’s tough to round out a decent roster when one position is making so much money. And yes, that includes GB so they have some difficult decisions to make ala Linsley and Jones.
What I don’t want to see is the team make some stupid short term decisions to mortgage the future. Like what you are seeing with some of the QB decisions and trade banter around the league. I’m hoping the Bears give up their next 4-5 years of draft picks for Wilson or Watson. It won’t solve for the dysfunction that is Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy.
@GBFanForLife posted:The whole "wasting" concept is bullshit He has had plenty of input in wasting seasons and FF has wasted fucking seasons by bonehead interceptions that is beyond comprehension. The team, with emphasis on team, just needs to play better when they have the opportunity.
And a JJ Watt level of stated incentive to winning championships
@Pikes Peak posted:This ‘ all in’ window is only open as long as AR is upright. Looks like he has several good years left. So....stand idle for a year or two, get the financial house in order and hope he still has it and then shoot the wad?
I think that two years is too long, to wait, to go all in. I think Rodgers may only want to play for two more years, especially if Gute and Co. have not gotten him the help needed, to win a Super Bowl, by then. I think Rodgers sent a clear signal to Gute and Co., early this off season, that he wants to win now and they had better get this team the players it needs, to do so.
@Tschmack posted:The part I’m struggling with is if you go back over ARs career and look at some of those playoff losses it’s generally been their lack of making key plays at key moments or melting down (mistakes) or bad decisions (coaching) or a combination of all of those things.
I mean, we’ve dissected the TB game 1,000 times over but honestly the game was decided by a handful of plays within about 90 seconds. The dropped INT before half that continued the TB drive that resulted in the Scotty Miller TD and the Aaron Jones fumble and one play TD coming out of halftime. If the Packers simply execute - it’s pretty damn likely they win the game with the team and roster they have.
Not unlike the 2014 debacle in Seattle or the 2011 playoff game against the NYG.
I don’t care if the Packers had JJ Watt and Von Miller in their prime they weren’t beating SF the NFCCG or ATL the couple of years before that in the NFCCG.
You can always say “go all in” but that’s simplistic thinking at best. It pains me to say it, but Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, Kevin King, Rick Wagner, and Billy Turner picked the wrong time to play their worst games of the season against the Bucs. And Pettine and MLF certainly didn’t rise to the occasion either. It happens.
In a perfect world, we’d love for the Packers to bring back all their guys and sign a bunch of free agents and nail every single draft pick. But it’s not that easy. In this day and age of the NFL, your window for winning and success is timing based on the QB. More importantly, how much the QB is making. Once you pay or start paying the QB 15-20% of the cap you are already behind the 8 ball. Look no further than Seattle, the Rams, Philly, etc. It’s tough to round out a decent roster when one position is making so much money. And yes, that includes GB so they have some difficult decisions to make ala Linsley and Jones.
What I don’t want to see is the team make some stupid short term decisions to mortgage the future. Like what you are seeing with some of the QB decisions and trade banter around the league. I’m hoping the Bears give up their next 4-5 years of draft picks for Wilson or Watson. It won’t solve for the dysfunction that is Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy.
You can look at any game and dissect plays that if they go the other way they swing the outcome BUT you have to look at the big picture ....Tom Brady has had something like 16 top 10 defenses ; Aaron Rodgers has had 3; Take the Bucs 22 starters; how many of our 22 would start over them? In my estimation "maybe" 7. AR, Adams, Linsley, Clark, Alexander, one of our safeties. and Jones. Yes we played at home but the temperature and limited crowd didn't help as much as in most years. The bottom line is that they have better players. The game was only as close as it was because the one position we have a better player at is QB and with our o-line getting dominated he was limited.
Andrew Brandt on the cap. His free Sunday morning emails are worth a look.
https://www.si.com/nfl/2021/03...alary-cap-dead-money
@Tschmack posted:The part I’m struggling with is if you go back over ARs career and look at some of those playoff losses it’s generally been their lack of making key plays at key moments or melting down (mistakes) or bad decisions (coaching) or a combination of all of those things.
I mean, we’ve dissected the TB game 1,000 times over but honestly the game was decided by a handful of plays within about 90 seconds. The dropped INT before half that continued the TB drive that resulted in the Scotty Miller TD and the Aaron Jones fumble and one play TD coming out of halftime. If the Packers simply execute - it’s pretty damn likely they win the game with the team and roster they have.
Not unlike the 2014 debacle in Seattle or the 2011 playoff game against the NYG.
I don’t care if the Packers had JJ Watt and Von Miller in their prime they weren’t beating SF the NFCCG or ATL the couple of years before that in the NFCCG.
You can always say “go all in” but that’s simplistic thinking at best. It pains me to say it, but Davante Adams, Aaron Jones, Kevin King, Rick Wagner, and Billy Turner picked the wrong time to play their worst games of the season against the Bucs. And Pettine and MLF certainly didn’t rise to the occasion either. It happens.
In a perfect world, we’d love for the Packers to bring back all their guys and sign a bunch of free agents and nail every single draft pick. But it’s not that easy. In this day and age of the NFL, your window for winning and success is timing based on the QB. More importantly, how much the QB is making. Once you pay or start paying the QB 15-20% of the cap you are already behind the 8 ball. Look no further than Seattle, the Rams, Philly, etc. It’s tough to round out a decent roster when one position is making so much money. And yes, that includes GB so they have some difficult decisions to make ala Linsley and Jones.
What I don’t want to see is the team make some stupid short term decisions to mortgage the future. Like what you are seeing with some of the QB decisions and trade banter around the league. I’m hoping the Bears give up their next 4-5 years of draft picks for Wilson or Watson. It won’t solve for the dysfunction that is Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy.
It's almost as if there were better players on the field they would've won. How simplistic when you can bend yourself into a pretzel to make the point of if the play on the field was better they would've won.
Saying having less playmakers on the field doesn't equate to better chances of winning is like saying voting is bad for democracy.
Who could possibly make the argument that JJ Watt would be better than Dean Lowry or Tyler Lancaster. Or Patrick Queen could be better than the scrub conglomerate. That's absurd.
If by mortgage the future you mean drafting a questionable QB that may or may not ever see the field in Green Bay then I'm right there with you.
Those handful of plays and 90 seconds happened with almost a whole half left in the game. At home. The vets and the coaches needed to rally the troops, make a few big plays.
Didn't happen.
On to next year.
Preston Smith for Zach Ertz because it doesn't make sense. Gut with another curveball
A couple of players reworked their deals to stick for 2021:
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 9, 2021
— #Bills C Mitch Morse cut his salary by nearly $2M to stay in Buffalo, source said.
— #Packers WR Devin Funchess took a roughly $750K paycut to stick in Green Bay after opting out last year, source said.
I think that’s good value for Funchess. Tae, Lizard, MVS, Funchess. Not a bad receiving corps, really.
We all wanted JJ Watt. But for 15-16MM a year guaranteed? That’s not a smart investment.
Yes they need to upgrade DE and ILB but this isn’t Madden 2021 where you can make ridiculous trades or create players to round out your roster. Having Rodgers is a blessing and a curse. As good as he is, one player making 40MM a year means you can’t pay everyone else.
I’d love it if they brought Linsley and Jones back but it’s doubtful they can given the cap situation. Let’s also not forget Jaire and Davante are due for extensions soon and they can’t let either of them walk.
Watt was the hypothetical. He obviously wasn't available last year or the year previous. Pretty sure everyone agrees Watt cost too much.
The simple point is this. Every team has weaknesses but the Packers have cavernous holes. The "next up" guys are the fucking starters with absolutely nothing behind them. It's not a "oh, that guy in the draft or FA would really compliment/put them over the top", it's "WTF! There is no one competent enough to play in the playoffs at these positions".
To pour lemon juice into the gash, you move up to draft a raw guy like Love. Not the "let's be splashy" FA move. Not the "Cadillac 1st rounder". Literally, "There is nothing fucking there in that position!". Good thing the 4th is gone and you picked up an oft injured ILB in the 5TH round.
Would Gunt pick Collins if he's there? Probably not.
@michiganjoe posted:A couple of players reworked their deals to stick for 2021:
— Ian Rapoport (@RapSheet) March 9, 2021
— #Bills C Mitch Morse cut his salary by nearly $2M to stay in Buffalo, source said.
— #Packers WR Devin Funchess took a roughly $750K paycut to stick in Green Bay after opting out last year, source said.
I'm not sad about that. Now Funchess just needs to stay healthy.
If Fuchchess can and will play that helps the WR group. They probably can’t afford to add another FA receiver and given holes at DL and CB and LB they really can’t spend a draft pick on a WR - unless it’s later in the draft.
Ideally, you’d like them to address DL in free agency and add a CB or LB in the draft and get lucky with another Runyon type pick with the OL. Jenkins will probably take over for Linsley and Runyon probably starts at guard in 2021.
Those who regressed. I'm sure you know who they are.
Really liked Funchess coming out of UM and thought he'd have a better NFL career, but he's struggled with injuries. A no-risk move by the team that really has nothing but potential upside for both the Packers and Funchess.
Sounds like GB has a hard number in mind and aren't going to go budge past it. With teams like the Jag's and Jet's with a lot of cap room, I can't see The Packers matching what he will be offered in FA.
Apparently 8 + million was too much with the tag. OR his agent Rosenhaus made it clear Jones would not play for that amount and would hold out.
Already linked as a potential replacement should the Packers lose out on Jones:
Seahawks informed RB Chris Carson that they will not place their franchise tag on him, per source. Carson set to hit free agency.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 9, 2021
Tagging Chris Godwin mean Shaq Barrett and Lavonte David are scheduled to be free agents, though Tampa has discussed deals with both players. https://t.co/Q3ZIOVZQtn
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 9, 2021
@packerboi posted:Already linked as a potential replacement should the Packers lose out on Jones:
Seahawks informed RB Chris Carson that they will not place their franchise tag on him, per source. Carson set to hit free agency.
— Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter) March 9, 2021
He runs hard, very physical. But is he as diverse as AJ? I'm not sure bringing in another guy similar to Jamaal Williams and what we hope Dillon will be keeps the offense as dynamic as it's been. That said, I'm not in favor of losing Jones if they stand pat on what they have remaining and believe they can "get by."
