Packers Seahawks minuses and minuses

It was maddening to see them piss away 20 seconds to run 1 play and not call timeout beforehand.  IIRC there were 50something seconds left at one point after that first down and by the end of the next play they had 35 and 3 TO's left.  Wiskey Tango Foxtrot!

As far as minuses go for this game (other than the obvious), my number one with a bullet is what I have seen and heard that people are tweeting Bostick since the play happened. The worst ask/tell him to do himself serious harm. All I can say is KARMA. It sickens me to hear and read some of what those people wrote. I know he made one of the biggest gaffes in a very high profile game but man, some people...... Is it too much to have some compassion for the guy?

I've heard about some of those tweets and they're from degenerates not fans.

 

This loss aint on Bostick.....just one of the many role players in it

I would bet that some degenerates call themselves Packer fans.

I think MM didn't want to call a timeout because he didn't want to give Seattle the chance to change players.  Those guys were tired too and he wanted to keep them on the field. 

Then he needs to run the 1:00 drill better.  No excuse to let 20 seconds tick on one play when you've only got :54 left.

 

My only conclusion is that he had already decided to only get into better field goal range rather than taking a couple more shots at the EZ.

That we can  agree on. 

Then why did he call TO with 19 seconds left?  That didn't make any sense either, as it was fourth down.  I could see doing that if it was third down and you bobble the snap/down it and then call another TO, but that was also a head-scratcher.  

I really wonder if yesterday was the 2007 NFCCG Bert equivalent for MM

I have trusted the guy but yesterday he schit the bed in so many ways.  He has failed miserably in the postseason and that counts too

It was 4th and 4. Slocum had been watching the Seahawks field goal unit all year long, waiting to pounce. He drew up the perfect field goal snap hard count to draw Kam Chancellor across the line with a flying karate kick. Then Kuhn was going to pound it in from the 25 yard line, dive left. Don't doubt the plan.

Seems the "social world" doesn't want to get onboard the anti-bullying train.

Once again, just because people can access the innernets doesn't mean they should.

It's fans like you that are an embarrassment to true Packer fans.  Please go away and jump on some other teams bandwagon.  You are pathetic. 

A lot can be said about the failures of Capers and the defense... or Slocum, (Bostick, HaHa) and the Special Teams, but to me the game was lost by McCarthy.

 

All season long the Packers 4 minute offense had closed out games. When it came time to do that in the NFCCG McCarthy shat the bed and took the ball out of Rodger's hands. After the defensive stop inside 7 minutes and the Burnett INT the Packers went heavy with run formation, which had not been their typical 4-minute offensive structure:

 

Green Bay Packers at 6:53
1-10-GB 13 (6:53) (Shotgun) J.Starks right end to GB 14 for 1 yard (K.Wright).
2-9-GB 14 (6:09) (Shotgun) J.Starks up the middle to GB 19 for 5 yards (K.Wright).
3-4-GB 19 (5:26) (Shotgun) A.Rodgers pass incomplete short right to A.Quarless (K.Wright).
4-4-GB 19 (5:22) T.Masthay punts 37 yards to SEA 44, Center-B.Goode. B.Walters to SEA 46 for 2 yards (D.House; B.Bostick).

 

Seattle Seahawks at 5:13
1-10-SEA 46

(5:13) (Shotgun) R.Wilson pass short middle intended for J.Kearse INTERCEPTED by M.Burnett at GB 39. M.Burnett to GB 43 for 4 yards. Went down on his own.

 

Green Bay Packers at 5:04
1-10-GB 43 (5:04) (Shotgun) E.Lacy left tackle to GB 39 for -4 yards (K.Williams).
Timeout #1 by SEA at 04:57.
2-14-GB 39 (4:57) (Shotgun) E.Lacy left tackle to GB 37 for -2 yards (M.Bennett).
Timeout #2 by SEA at 04:50.
3-16-GB 37 (4:50) (Shotgun) E.Lacy up the middle to GB 39 for 2 yards (B.Wagner; M.Bennett).
4-14-GB 39 (4:00) T.Masthay punts 30 yards to SEA 31, Center-B.Goode, out of bounds.

 

Typically in their 4-minute OFF they'd go 3-wide with either a TE or Cobb in the backfield which allows Rodgers to make the read to the best matchup. With Kuhn and D.Rodgers or Quarless in for the two failed drives when they could have sealed the game McCarthy went away from what worked for them all season. Nearly every play called has a run/pass option, but with the heavy formations there isn't a favorable pass option. Maybe D.Rodgers is that in a year, coming off a block to get a favorable matchup in the flat, but he's not there yet.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

He should get heat.   There is no way you assume you've got the game won with 5 minutes left in Seattle the building  where the Fail Mary occurred, and Seattle with three timeouts.

 

Other coaching let-downs.

• ST was not even thinking fake FG.
• Burnett was waved (coached) to go down and the team is yucking it up starting to make plans for AZ.   Coaches should have been all over them to finish.
• First down MM, lines up in OBVIOUS run formation, loses 4 yds – drive over.  At that point you have to run it two more times as we are in a hole.
• Rushing 3 on Third and 19.  That’s not that far when you have 8 seconds to find a receiver.    

All of the above are coaching let-downs.    I am starting to fear MM will take this team the way of MS, and fail to get back and win with one of the best QBs in the game.

 

Cold!

 

Poor Bostick.

Why does the special teams need to be alerted that a fake might happen?  Can't a fake happen at any time?  Shouldn't that just be part of the prep for any game?  Isn't there a plan for any kind of fake, regardless of what the special team lines up to do?

 

This fascinates me just as much as someone needing to alert a coach to talk to his players on occasion.  

I think there are extremes where a team lines up with their best "block" play in place and where their best "prevent fake" play is in place.  The real failure of that play was Slocum (I assume) not just abandoning all efforts for a block, conceding the 3 and guarding full balls vs the fake.  In a tight game like that, 3 doesn't do much for you but 7 can be a turning point.

 

  

Everyone in my house was screaming watch for the fake and no one was surprised. I would replace Slocum with my 20 year old daughter, who was the first to yell out fake. Slocum is an idiot that should have been gone years ago. McCarthy may be in a bind now. His taking the points isn't that big an issue as he was up 12 with less than 4 minutes left. But the way he coached the end of the game was atrocious. If he fires Slocum and Capers he'll get crucified for blaming them, so he'll fire no one. Thompson is busy watching young men run and throw in shorts so he isn't part of the decision making at the moment.

 

Not having an owner to hold people accountable may be the reason we've had 2 Super Bowl wins with 20 years of Hall of Fame quarterbacking. 

I can't put this on MM. I understand the questions about going ultra conservative on the drive after Burnett's pick. But you have to do what MM did.

 

In other 4 minute situations in recent weeks MM gave AR a run/pass option. But in just about each instance GB was protecting a one possession lead. They needed to prevent handing the ball back to a team that could beat them with 1 score. This is a 2 possession lead with 4 minutes remaining. You're number one priority is to force Seattle to burn it's TO's. Option 2 is to try to burn as much clock as possible. Had MM dialed up an incomplete pass play on 3rd down to stop the clock this place would have gone up in flames in the opposite direction.

 

MM played that drive exactly as it should have been played. Masthay 30 yard punt was another mistake in a never-ending stream of them.  

 

If you have a 2 possession lead with 4 minutes left and your opponent has to 70 yards to get the first of two needed scores and only has one timeout and a two minute warning a lot of things have to go to **** in order for you to lose that game. 

 

GB had a 3% of losing after Morgan Burnett intercepted Russell Wilson. A 3% chance to lose that game!!! And some ****ing way it all came to pass.

 

Not on MM, or Bostick, or Slocum, or Clay's injury, or Ha Ha, or playcalling, or Hawk, or anything in particular. 

 

Just a conglomeration of **** that picked up a little steam and then snowballed to the point everything spiraled out of control right before it all went pitch black. 

I agree.

 

Everyone wants to blame McCarthy for playing it by the book.

"So that play that we checked to, it was installed this week. We saw that it was coverage zero, so everybody was lined up, probably at linebacker depth or whatever, and I knew it was just me and Tramon [Williams]. I'm still trying to gather myself. I knew it was going to be one-on-one with no one in the middle, and I just got off the ball and just tried to make a play."

 

Those damn Seahawks sure installed a lot of things based on film study of the Packers.

If the Seattle coaches could see a 'deficiency' in our FG defense, OUR coaches should've seen that too.

The STs coach makes the call on whether to play it safe or rush.

 

It was 4th and 10. It was a 38-yard kick. A successful kick makes it 16-3 late in the 3rd quarter.

 

The Pack has not blocked a kick from the wing in recent memory.

 

There was no need for a big rush there. If Special Teams Coach Slocum is not making the "safe" call, why does he have a job?

 

Now, the Seahawks Special Teams coach noticed Brad Jones reckless crashes down on every kick and took advantage of that tendency. That is what a good coach does.

Wow.  Do us a favor, list the franchises where the owner who "held people accountable" suddenly morphed a highly talented team but under acheiving team into a Super Bowl winner. 

Dan Marino played 17 years. So we're beating the curve. 

You got me, I can't. You're right, owners don't matter. Now you do us a favor and tell us why, after years of epic playoff failures, where teams and players set records against our D, and where Sunday the Packers D gave up 21 points in less than 5 minutes because Dom Capers couldn't get off the field on a 1st and 30, and rushed two on 2nd and 19 and had Hawk on the field in the most important drive of the year allowing Lynch to go by him untouched, and played no deep safety in overtime... why is Dom Capers still the defensive coordinator for this team?

Because MM won't fire him. 

...and got their asses kicked up & down the field until the Packers stopped playing with 5:00 minutes left. 

That's avoiding the question. I'll rephrase... should he be the defensive coordinator going forward?

When you say teams and players setting records against Green Bay's defense in recent playoff history I assume you are referring to SF, yes?

Yeah, and thanks for that punt.

 

Chilli - my point was that McCarthy changed who they were. Sure the book says to do what he did, but that is not who they are. Muscle memory... 

 

Final drive for the FG to tie the game they went back to who they are. Everyone and their brother knew they were going to have to move the ball for at least the FG, and SEA couldn't stop that.

 

 

MM just needs to give up the play calling and manage the game.   He has proven he can't do both. 

 

If Burnett had run another 15 yds, a 30 yard punt pins at their 16.  (sarcasm)

 

I DO  blame MM for the play calling on that last drive.    First down, we are lined up in obvious run formation.  

 

If you at least spread them out, we may at least get a 'no-gain' on the play, but 2nd and 14 backed us deeper in a corner.   Carrol must have been drooling after he saw MM go into that shell.    

 

MM played right into their hands.    You can't stop being aggressive on the road in that house, and what do we do?   (rush three on 3rd and 19, fall to ground, and telegraph a running play)

 

 

 

 

 

Not only playoffs, but you know, whether it's Kapernick rushing for 181 yards or Kap passing for over 400 yards or Rothlesberger passing for over 500 yards in 2009, or whether it's just the overall low ranked D the past number of years, it doesn't matter what I say, the excuses will flow, with he didn't have the players being the main one. At what point is he accountable?... five more years?... ten?...

 

We all know what has transpired but may see the reasons differently. He certainly improved the defense this year, there's no question, once he overcame his stubbornness and removed Hawk and Jones from the field, so he probably bought himself another year. It simply comes down to what would you do, and few are willing to go on record. I would fire him, for all the reasons I've stated and because I think it would add some slight hope to next years D that maybe things will be different.  

True, but Seattle went to a different D to keep everything in front of them. All of a sudden Seattle had to protect a lead and it was GB that started moving the ball. 

 

I hear what you are saying. Does MM take the calculated risks by trying to get 1st downs and close that one out on his own. It sounds appealing but you actually layer in more risk things wont go your if that's the route you choose. 

 

When you're up by 12 with under 4 the list of things that have to go wrong for you to lose that game is substantial.  Pretty much every one of things went wrong for Green Bay. 

Historically, it appears the risks are much lower with AR12 on the field than the CapersCrew.

 

When the game is on the line, the best players want the ball. Relying on the defense, regardless of how well they played to that point, should not have been the thought for an offensive minded HC. At least that's the way I see it.

 

 

Correct as usual Hungry...the OT coin flip decided the game.  Who here had any confidence that AR would get a chance?

Sucks that it comes down to a coin flip in the playoffs.

 

I sort of understand why the rule is why it is for regular season (can't screw up our precious TV double headers too much), but in the playoffs both teams should get one possession guaranteed.