I don't think we need any more validation that it was the most messed up colossal collapse of historic proportions we have ever witnessed of this team.
Well, just in case, following article says it well. Unfortunately, I agree with this writer.
Worst Loss Ever? http://gnb.scout.com/story/1504472-worst-loss-ever
I'm definitely resigned to the most likely probability that the Packers will never win another Super Bowl in my lifetime
Do you plan on dieing before Feb. 14, 2016?
It certainly feels like that. I had the same feeling after the 4th and 26 season.
On Burnett taking a powder...the S positions' lack of INT's the last couple years could have played a roll in MB choking in that situation, even if Peppers told him to. When you don't pick off passes and run them back in game situations, you might forget "how" to. Especially in crunch situations.
Good riddens
I apologize Boris, I didn't mean it to be like that.
What I should have said was that I was thrilled with Morgan at that moment, he made an interception with 5 minutes left in the NFC championship game after having so few interceptions over his NFL career, I was so proud of him.
I thought that pick all but ended the game, Seattle fans thought it, and apparently the packers players thought it too, but we were all wrong.
I was surprised to see how many people in packland were already angry and concerned at that point and was trying to point out the contrast.
I would never intentionally twist the knife in a fellow packer fans heart, especially not after such a heartbreaking loss.
"Joe saw it again at Soldier Field, where McCarthy threw a whole lot of body English into his emotional plea to get Sam Shields to go down in the closing moments of the NFC Championship Game against the Chicago Bears.
"He was sure worked up when they threw that interception," Joe said. "That guy (Shields) is a rookie, right? He looked like he was trying to run it back. The veterans were telling him go get down. Mike was running up the sideline trying to get him to do the same."
This is the play that came to mind when Burnett went down. Shields near fumble after the game sealing int. I can't fault Burnett, or Peppers...in the moment. They put the ball in the hands of the mvp of the league.
Less than a minute left when Shields made that pick against the Bears. Very poor situational awareness on the part of both Peppers and Burnett that really reflects the apparent mindset of the team at the time to just try and hang on rather than deliver the killshot.
Less than a minute left when Shields made that pick against the Bears. Very poor situational awareness on the part of both Peppers and Burnett that really reflects the apparent mindset of the team at the time to just try and hang on rather than deliver the killshot.
Maybe so, but it doesn't change the fact that Peppers WAS thinking out there. I'd much rather have it that way than haphazard play. Like I said....they put the ball in Rodgers and McCarthy's hands. Could do a lot worse than that.
And beyond that, even if one calls it a mistake, the ball is in Packers' possession....clearly enough time to reset priorities and figure out that you need to go and get a first down or two. In-game coaching.
There's the rub. As someone pointed out on another thread, McCarthy tied Rodgers's hands on that series after the INT, giving him a formation that didn't allow him to check out of the run when they had 11 in the box. remember the Dallas game? TWO third down passes iced that one....
Let Rodgers be Rodgers, even though he was injured, and we win that game. Let him pick on one-armed Sherman for God's sake...
To add insult to injury, 6 guys lined up on one side:
Edit - ignore this. Turns out you only need 4 on each side, legal play.
There's the rub. As someone pointed out on another thread, McCarthy tied Rodgers's hands on that series after the INT, giving him a formation that didn't allow him to check out of the run when they had 11 in the box. remember the Dallas game? TWO third passes iced that one....
Let Rodgers be Rodgers, even though he was injured, and we win that game. Let him pick on one-armed Sherman for God's sake...
It was the first down play that really doomed that series. It was an obvious run formation with 2 TE's, Kuhn and Lacey. Nelson was the only WR. #72 Bennett read the play and slanted inside behind Bakhtiari who couldn't get back to him. That play goes for yardage because there was no other Seahawk in position to tackle Lacy before he got up field. The Packers went to multiple WR's on the next 2 downs but Seattle wasn't buying it and MM wasn't risking it. Had it been 2nd or 3rd and five he might have put it in Rodgers hands.
Everything that had to go wrong did.
To add insult to injury, 6 guys lined up on one side:
That's legal. You have to have at least 4 players on each side of the kicker.
Rule 6-1-3(c) "At least four players of the kicking team must be on each side of the kicker. At least three players must be lined up outside each inbounds line, one of whom must be outside the yard-line number."
Mike and Mike had a detailed review of the
all22 game tape with Jaws today and he said the big thing that stuck out after watching was the
Burnett INT. after watching all the angles, he's confident that if peppers had turned to block instead of waving him down, Burnett likely scores.
Willson is the only one that realistically could have caught him and it would have been way down the field
The same Jaws that compared Michael Bennett to Reggie White on Sunday morning?
There's a reason he works for a tv network and not a football team.
I'm not sure it's legal. The Football Outsider guys usually know their stuff.
@FO_ScottKacsmar: Wow, Seahawks had illegal 6-man wedge on onside kick. We all missed that. http://t.co/TbAbzUrkuO
@FO_ScottKacsmar: 2009 rule change made it to where maximum of 5 players can line up on one side of kicker on onside. http://t.co/dqQsaAVfPM
"Also on kickoffs, the kicking team can't have more than five players bunched together pursuing an onside kick. That will cost a team 5 yards."
http://usatoday30.usatoday.com...4-safety-rules_N.htm
@FO_ScottKacsmar: No, it was definitely 6 on the rush side and 4 on the other side all the way through the play.
How appropriate. The New England Cheatriots vs Cheaty Carroll and crew for the Superb Owl. Boris is right, disqualify both and award the game to IND and GBP.
Anyone claiming the five player rule needs to cite where it's at in the rules. I found the rule cited by slowmo and that appear to be accurate.
I read it that way, too, michiganjoe. Mention of 5 shows up in that USA Today article.
Twitter war already underway with the Football Outsiders guy.
Rule changed in 09. At least 4 players must be on each side of the ball. 3 must be outside hash, and 1 outside numbers. Rule 6-1-3 (c)
— Dean Blandino (@DeanBlandino) January 22, 2015
They could have had 10 guys on that side.
Still doesn't change the fact that Bostick should have done his job, block Matthews and let the football sail gently into Jordy's hands.
I think it was a huge mental gaffe on Peppers (a HOF vet) part to signal Burnett to go down. Shields had nowhere near the amount of green pasture in front of him that Burnett had, not to even mention the time left on the clock. If they convert ONE FUGGIN FIRST DOWN! we're all talking about how "heady" a decision that was but damn, he very well could have scored on that run back.
On the running plays, the OL got beat in crunch time. Lacy was averaging over 4yds/carry at that point and it was reasonable to bet he wouldn't get stuffed for -4 and -2 yards. The OL was damn near dominant all day until those two fatal non-drives. Did MM show his hand and conservatism and Carroll call him on it by loading the box? I haven't and probably won't rewatch to see what alignment SEA was in on those plays but I will guess our OL had success earlier in the game against heavy boxes too. There are plays and there are players that have to execute. MM needs to call plays that the players have the highest probability of executing but the players also need to step up when called upon. Those two drives aren't solely on MM's play calling.
I know Bostick's job, technically was blocking. But I heard the other day (espn?) that even though that is his first priority, IF the ball is coming directly to him, he can decide to try to field it. If you think about it, it would be silly to try to dodge an oncoming ball while trying to block a particular player - unless you are clearly not a "skilled position" player, which wouldn't really be on the hands team anyway. I think the real problem with that play is Bostick just not catching a ball that floated through his hands and bonked him in the face. He is a receiver for christsake.
I believe Bak got blown up on the run that lost four. Probably not enough attention being given to the horrible and passive defensive call on third and 19 by Dom. Don't understand why he went away from what was working there given the down and distance.
Onside kick formation. A minimum of 4 players on each side of the kicker. At least one player on or outside the numbers on each side. Legal.
I just really want to completely forget & get past this game
Agree but we're still bitching about the Denver Superbowl and Sherman chickening out on 4th down.
This will be talked about a long time, will only be muted after the Packers win the Super Bowl next year.
"we're" ?
And Burnett won't go down on a returnable INT with 5 minutes left.
And HHCD won't do a double take on lob balls to the end-zone.
And MM will re-think 3 identical running plays in a row.
And AR will watch his footing on screen passes.
And on and on.
NOT guaranteed: that AJ Hawk and Brad Jones will become smarter, better football players, or that Slocum will transmorph into a competent ST's coach who can see when a player like Jones is repeatedly making risky, stupid mistakes.
Cut Jones, Hawk and Slocum for their irredeemable histories of failure. Cut Bostick as a sacrificial scapegoat.
There, NOW I can get over it.
I believe Bak got blown up on the run that lost four. Probably not enough attention being given to the horrible and passive defensive call on third and 19 by Dom. Don't understand why he went away from what was working there given the down and distance.
Yep. That was the first domino to fall.
If anyone feels like torturing themselves NFL turning point is about to start on NBC Sports. I don't know why, but I'm going to watch. Betting the Turning Point is the fake FG.
TMQ this week
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_...-morning-quarterback
Feel bad for M3 thankfully time will heal and I for one will not be shocked to see him come back a better man and an even better coach.
I'm definitely resigned to the most likely probability that the Packers will never win another Super Bowl in my lifetime
WTF? Are you like 99 years old or have some kind of terminal disease? Next year dude!
I just really want to completely forget & get past this game
Well, I have been lighting candles and listening to Zen music - I think its helping me. You should try it.
I had an all hands meeting today with a bunch of 49er fans and boy were they upset with the Packers for giving that game away. I never heard the end of it.
Yes, I think all of the times and stations are listed on the shows webpage.
+++ The offseason is 2 weeks shorter this year than last year 
edit- because we made it 2 weeks further into the playoffs than we did last year. Just to clarify
Thanks
Larry McCarren asks MM what his biggest frustration was with the game. MM listed the fake FG, field position, and onside kick 1,2, and 3. Please let that mean Slocum's gone.
