ROUND 4 PICK 109 (f/NO through MIA) - OT DAVID BAKHTIARI (COLORADO)

Campen sure gets a ton of play on X4 for being a horrible coach. In MM and TT we trust.... but not in their selection of staff?

I don't think he's horrible. Certainly he has had some successes like Sitton and Lang and seemed to get a lot out of Don Barclay. He's had two pupils, Scott Wells and Daryn Colledge, who have scored big contracts with other teams as well. I think Campen is the kind of coach who can get already talented players to play at a high level. Guys like Sitton and Bulaga and Lang already had the right attitude/mindset and the physical talent to match, Campen just got them adjusted to the NFL and did enough to allow them to succeed. I don't think he's the kind of coach, like Alex Gibbs, who can take a project and turn him into a star. To me all of the "project" players GB has drafted have flamed out...Allen Barbre comes to mind immediately.

Certainly wasn't directed at you personally... Just saw your post as the latest in a long line of blaming Campen. Rarely do you see anybody pointing a finger at TT for an inability to draft offensive lineman whereas Campen always seems to be the focal point if a player doesn't work out. Of course, TT certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt so I get that.

Slocum used to get a lot of heat too. Not so much any longer.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
To me all of the "project" players GB has drafted have flamed out...Allen Barbre comes to mind immediately.

and don't forget my hero Breno Giacomini too...Campen gets a lot of crap around here and he's earned some of it- but not all. Some of it was the material he had to work with, mostly late round guys who were passed over for some reason

Campen may be a great teacher of the position but not a great communicator of the scheme. Regardless, I agree with Pakrz, at some point we either trust Thompson and McCarthy with the choice of Campen or we blame them. Can't have it both ways.

I'm not sure where the blame lies. Ultimately it's Thompson's fault for poor drafting of OL. Thompson seems to communicate well with his coaches and scouts though, relying on them to say yea or nay on a particular player. In the Nate Palmer thread, there's an article where Palmer said he didn't think he would be drafted, but Kevin Greene seemed taken with him, McCarthy and Capers took Greene's assessment, passed on the info, and they picked him. My guess is that is the norm with this team and many teams.

I'm guessing McCarthy and/or Campen say they want a player with a certain skill set for a certain position. The scouts find those players and the Thompson and the coaches continue the research, as Kevin Greene did with Palmer. They say yea or nay and Thompson drafts accordingly. I doubt Campen gets stuck with players he didn't want or hadn't been exposed to.

True, Thompson I'm sure takes input, but....



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In the Nate Palmer thread, there's an article where Palmer said he didn't think he would be drafted, but Kevin Greene seemed taken with him, McCarthy and Capers took Greene's assessment, passed on the info, and they picked him. My guess is that is the norm with this team and many teams.

I'm sure Greene had a part in Palmer being drafted, but the kid would have never been invited to GB unless TT put his stamp of approval on it in the first place. I can see where TT listened to one of their scouts, did his own research and invited the kid in for a visit to meet with the coaching staff, obviously including Greene.

I'm guessing that isn't the first suggestion from Greene to pan out

Sure wasn't.

Packer Update had a link to this Colorado Buffalo Football Blog

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David Bakhtiari and the Green Bay Packers
By DavidAGerhardt on Apr 30 2013

Strengths:
David is a high-character guy that is going to work hard to continue to get better, stronger and quicker. He definitely still has a way to go, but he knows that. He has quick feet, can kick-slide well and can get to guys at the 2nd level quickly. He has good flexibility which should help his versatility and a quick punch.


Where he needs to improve:
He needs to work on strengthening his base to be able to hold up to the size he'll be facing consistently in the NFL, especially if he's going to be looked at as a guard. He can also continue to get stronger so he can have a more violent punch. His recognition of certain twists and stunts needs work as well. Basically, he needs to adjust to the NFL and get into an NFL strength program.
continue

I saw the Buffs last yr, no one on O stuck out, no one. They were terrible.


2012 COLORADO BUFFALOES SCHEDULE
DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME RECORD/TICKETS

Sat, Sept 1
vs
Colorado St*
L22-17
0-1 (0-0)

Sat, Sept 8
vs
Sacramento St
L30-28
0-2 (0-0)

Sat, Sept 15
@
Fresno St
L69-14
0-3 (0-0)

Sat, Sept 22
@
Washington St
W35-34
1-3 (1-0)

Sat, Sept 29
vs
UCLA
L42-14
1-4 (1-1)

Thu, Oct 11
vs
Arizona St
L51-17
1-5 (1-2)

Sat, Oct 20
@
#10 USC
L50-6
1-6 (1-3)

Sat, Oct 27
@
#4 Oregon
L70-14
1-7 (1-4)

Sat, Nov 3
vs
#14 Stanford
L48-0
1-8 (1-5)

Sat, Nov 10
@
Arizona
L56-31
1-9 (1-6)

Sat, Nov 17
vs
#25 Washington
L38-3
1-10 (1-7)

Fri, Nov 23
vs
Utah
L42-35
1-11 (1-8)

Video:
T David Bakhtiari excited by winning atmosphere
Friday, May 10th, 2013

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Originally posted by Coach:

What a nice picture of Kiel and his grandpa-pa!

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T David Bakhtiari excited by winning atmosphere

If I came from a team that went 1-11 to a team that went 11-5, I'd be excited by the winning atmosphere too.

I hate this place.

Everybody hates Jacksonville.

WYMM: Bakhtiari blocks the blind side

In this week's edition, Packers.com's Mike Spofford breaks down the battle between rookie LT David Bakhtiari and Vikings DE Jared Allen.

To say he's been a pleasant surprise would be an understatement.

I know he'll never get any mention for OROY, but imo he has been every bit as important as Lacy.  Kid is playing well.

Per TJ Lang's radio show on B & B in Milwaukee, his nickname is "germ"

Ah...hence all the lab coats in the team picture.

They wear those when growing replacement limbs and organs in the lab for the injured. 

If the draft were redone now, would Bakhtiari be a 1st rounder? I think it's possible.

 

Agreed that he's having just as much impact as Lacy this season. TT got a steal, and he's only going to get better.

He's only a steal because of the awesome coaching he is getting.

Not sure if Bak would be a first rounder. I think Lacy would if the draft were redone today. Datone looks like he's moving past the ankle injury that's slowed him down.

 

Regardless of where they're taken. Between Jones, Bak, Lacy, and Hyde Ted picked up 4 players with round 2 (or better) talent and traded down for a lower second to acquire more picks. 

 

Its not a fair fight between Ted and the majority of GMs in the NFL. 

Its not a fair fight between Ted and the majority of GMs in the NFL. 

 

Which I'm sure sticks in the craw of Rogers Goofball and his chub for parity. Hell he'll probably make the Packers hire  as a co-GM to even the playing field. 

This is probably a different thread entirely but I think Goodell realizes the importance of having some teams that are perennially good.  If everybody truly starts on equal ground every year, you lose the bite of some of the rivalries.  Up and comers don't have a top team to shoot for.  David has no Goliath. 

The Packers have won 1 Super Bowl in Ted's 8 years as GM. He's good, but Ted vs. other GMs isn't exactly Mike Tyson vs. Michael Spinks.