Campen sure gets a ton of play on X4 for being a horrible coach. In MM and TT we trust.... but not in their selection of staff?

I don't think he's horrible. Certainly he has had some successes like Sitton and Lang and seemed to get a lot out of Don Barclay. He's had two pupils, Scott Wells and Daryn Colledge, who have scored big contracts with other teams as well. I think Campen is the kind of coach who can get already talented players to play at a high level. Guys like Sitton and Bulaga and Lang already had the right attitude/mindset and the physical talent to match, Campen just got them adjusted to the NFL and did enough to allow them to succeed. I don't think he's the kind of coach, like Alex Gibbs, who can take a project and turn him into a star. To me all of the "project" players GB has drafted have flamed out...Allen Barbre comes to mind immediately.

Certainly wasn't directed at you personally... Just saw your post as the latest in a long line of blaming Campen. Rarely do you see anybody pointing a finger at TT for an inability to draft offensive lineman whereas Campen always seems to be the focal point if a player doesn't work out. Of course, TT certainly deserves the benefit of the doubt so I get that.

Slocum used to get a lot of heat too. Not so much any longer.

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Originally posted by Grave Digger:
To me all of the "project" players GB has drafted have flamed out...Allen Barbre comes to mind immediately.

and don't forget my hero Breno Giacomini too...Campen gets a lot of crap around here and he's earned some of it- but not all. Some of it was the material he had to work with, mostly late round guys who were passed over for some reason

Campen may be a great teacher of the position but not a great communicator of the scheme. Regardless, I agree with Pakrz, at some point we either trust Thompson and McCarthy with the choice of Campen or we blame them. Can't have it both ways.

I'm not sure where the blame lies. Ultimately it's Thompson's fault for poor drafting of OL. Thompson seems to communicate well with his coaches and scouts though, relying on them to say yea or nay on a particular player. In the Nate Palmer thread, there's an article where Palmer said he didn't think he would be drafted, but Kevin Greene seemed taken with him, McCarthy and Capers took Greene's assessment, passed on the info, and they picked him. My guess is that is the norm with this team and many teams.

I'm guessing McCarthy and/or Campen say they want a player with a certain skill set for a certain position. The scouts find those players and the Thompson and the coaches continue the research, as Kevin Greene did with Palmer. They say yea or nay and Thompson drafts accordingly. I doubt Campen gets stuck with players he didn't want or hadn't been exposed to.

True, Thompson I'm sure takes input, but....



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In the Nate Palmer thread, there's an article where Palmer said he didn't think he would be drafted, but Kevin Greene seemed taken with him, McCarthy and Capers took Greene's assessment, passed on the info, and they picked him. My guess is that is the norm with this team and many teams.

I'm sure Greene had a part in Palmer being drafted, but the kid would have never been invited to GB unless TT put his stamp of approval on it in the first place. I can see where TT listened to one of their scouts, did his own research and invited the kid in for a visit to meet with the coaching staff, obviously including Greene.

I'm guessing that isn't the first suggestion from Greene to pan out

Sure wasn't.

Packer Update had a link to this Colorado Buffalo Football Blog

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David Bakhtiari and the Green Bay Packers
By DavidAGerhardt on Apr 30 2013

Strengths:
David is a high-character guy that is going to work hard to continue to get better, stronger and quicker. He definitely still has a way to go, but he knows that. He has quick feet, can kick-slide well and can get to guys at the 2nd level quickly. He has good flexibility which should help his versatility and a quick punch.


Where he needs to improve:
He needs to work on strengthening his base to be able to hold up to the size he'll be facing consistently in the NFL, especially if he's going to be looked at as a guard. He can also continue to get stronger so he can have a more violent punch. His recognition of certain twists and stunts needs work as well. Basically, he needs to adjust to the NFL and get into an NFL strength program.
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I saw the Buffs last yr, no one on O stuck out, no one. They were terrible.


2012 COLORADO BUFFALOES SCHEDULE
DATE OPPONENT RESULT/TIME RECORD/TICKETS

Sat, Sept 1
vs
Colorado St*
L22-17
0-1 (0-0)

Sat, Sept 8
vs
Sacramento St
L30-28
0-2 (0-0)

Sat, Sept 15
@
Fresno St
L69-14
0-3 (0-0)

Sat, Sept 22
@
Washington St
W35-34
1-3 (1-0)

Sat, Sept 29
vs
UCLA
L42-14
1-4 (1-1)

Thu, Oct 11
vs
Arizona St
L51-17
1-5 (1-2)

Sat, Oct 20
@
#10 USC
L50-6
1-6 (1-3)

Sat, Oct 27
@
#4 Oregon
L70-14
1-7 (1-4)

Sat, Nov 3
vs
#14 Stanford
L48-0
1-8 (1-5)

Sat, Nov 10
@
Arizona
L56-31
1-9 (1-6)

Sat, Nov 17
vs
#25 Washington
L38-3
1-10 (1-7)

Fri, Nov 23
vs
Utah
L42-35
1-11 (1-8)

Video:
T David Bakhtiari excited by winning atmosphere
Friday, May 10th, 2013

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Originally posted by Coach:

What a nice picture of Kiel and his grandpa-pa!

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T David Bakhtiari excited by winning atmosphere

If I came from a team that went 1-11 to a team that went 11-5, I'd be excited by the winning atmosphere too.

I hate this place.

Everybody hates Jacksonville.

WYMM: Bakhtiari blocks the blind side

In this week's edition, Packers.com's Mike Spofford breaks down the battle between rookie LT David Bakhtiari and Vikings DE Jared Allen.

To say he's been a pleasant surprise would be an understatement.

I know he'll never get any mention for OROY, but imo he has been every bit as important as Lacy.  Kid is playing well.

Per TJ Lang's radio show on B & B in Milwaukee, his nickname is "germ"

Ah...hence all the lab coats in the team picture.

They wear those when growing replacement limbs and organs in the lab for the injured. 

If the draft were redone now, would Bakhtiari be a 1st rounder? I think it's possible.

 

Agreed that he's having just as much impact as Lacy this season. TT got a steal, and he's only going to get better.

He's only a steal because of the awesome coaching he is getting.

Not sure if Bak would be a first rounder. I think Lacy would if the draft were redone today. Datone looks like he's moving past the ankle injury that's slowed him down.

 

Regardless of where they're taken. Between Jones, Bak, Lacy, and Hyde Ted picked up 4 players with round 2 (or better) talent and traded down for a lower second to acquire more picks. 

 

Its not a fair fight between Ted and the majority of GMs in the NFL. 

Its not a fair fight between Ted and the majority of GMs in the NFL. 

 

Which I'm sure sticks in the craw of Rogers Goofball and his chub for parity. Hell he'll probably make the Packers hire  as a co-GM to even the playing field. 

This is probably a different thread entirely but I think Goodell realizes the importance of having some teams that are perennially good.  If everybody truly starts on equal ground every year, you lose the bite of some of the rivalries.  Up and comers don't have a top team to shoot for.  David has no Goliath. 

The Packers have won 1 Super Bowl in Ted's 8 years as GM. He's good, but Ted vs. other GMs isn't exactly Mike Tyson vs. Michael Spinks.

Bahktiari has played really well....for 7 games.  It's not even half a season.  He has a ways to go.  I hope he doesn't hit the "rookie wall".

Agreed that it's only half a season, PackLand, but you have to admit that Bacteria hasn't exactly gone up against chopped liver either. From week 1 he's gone up against some pretty good DEs and done quite well against them. It will be interesting to see how he does this Monday against Peppers and whoever else they throw at him. My guess is that Peppers will not want to be shown up by a rookie, and he'll try to light up Bacteria on national TV. How Bak handles this challenge will give us further indication of how good he is/can be/will be.

Peppers might show up a bit for a MNF game but he's mostly done. 

Fandame - very impressed with Bak, just pointing out there's a way to go.  Defensive player and coaches are constantly study film looking for weaknesses and tendencies to exploit.  He's been been very good so far.

Wasn't slammin' ya, PackLand, just pointing some things out. I really like your last comment about film; yes, teams now have almost half a season on Bak so they can now find ways to exploit his weaknesses. So far, I really like the kid and I hope he solves our LT position for years to come as he continues to get better.

He's looked good and certainly has exceeded all expectations, but I didn't think he played particularly well against the Bengals and he'll probably experience some more growing pains. Don't see it happening Monday night, however.

Not much talk about Bak the last two weeks.  I couldn't focus on him during the last couple games but I did notice one thing.  He's all legs.  It's like Jonathan Franklin's top half on Calvin Johnson's bottom half.  If he can even out that top during the offseason he could really fill into that LT spot and be dominant.

Good Lines, Bad Lines

rotoworld.com

by Lance Zierleinon 12-18-13

Offensive Line Shout-outs

* Rookie left tackle David Bakhtiari was one of my favorite draft values when the Green Bay Packers grabbed him in the fourth round. I had a second-round grade on Bakhtiari and loved his long arms, good feet and ability to pass protect.

 

According to STATS ICE, the rookie left tackle has given up just 5.5 sacks and 15 total pressures (hurries and QB knockdowns) with two games to play.

 

Last season, Marshall Newhouse gave up 10 sacks and 32 pressures at that same position for the Packers. Bakhtiari has been more consistent in pass protection than Eric Fisher, Lane Johnson and D.J. Fluker, who were all drafted ahead of him. continue

 

If you're interested in how well different line are performing around the league, I can't recommend the full article enough,

I love the way Bacteria is playing. The best part of his play, IMO, is that if he is beaten he learns from it. He had a couple clunkers up front and in the Bears game (Peppers was intent on actually trying on national TV and against a rookie), but he's been a far bigger find than anyone expected. I think the kid is only going to get better with another year of coaching and experience. My guess is Bulaga will go back to the right side next year, and then our line will be really solid. Tretter may be the center of the future and if we lose tomorrow and the Bears win, I would hope to see Tretter play in the Bear game.

I agree that Bakhtiari is having a good rookie season, but those numbers seem low. I'd bet he's given up more than 5.5 sacks and 15 total pressures. Maybe his mom works for STATS ICE.

Nah, maybe those pressures you think he has actually come from Newhouse on the other side, making it look like Bak is getting pushed backward.