Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

@PackerRick posted:

If Rodgers stays Gute is toast for both not trading Rodgers last year and really screwing up giving him a contract that straps the franchise for 3-4 years.

I think a decision of this magnitude goes above Gute's head. He makes his assessment and then ultimately the decision is made by Murphy and the executive committee.  Then Gute has to work with their mandate. I'm sure it's not 100% one way or the other with Rodgers among the executive committee the same way it isn't among us. Different factions are being managed and it's all kept sealed inside 1265. I think it's possible that's why it seems like the organization has been going in two different directions the last few years. *

MLF and Gute are paid well to take orders and perform their roles. Included in that is being the scapegoat for unfortunate planning by the executive committee and staying quiet about it if necessary. 

*disclaimer: I have zero informed insight and this is all speculative.

@50k Club posted:

I can't get past the FO screwup to give Rodgers such a cap-killing contract last year even if/when they knew he can be difficult to deal with.

The reason you can't get past it is because you don't fully understand it yet.
Let me see if I can shine some illumination on the deal. It was specifically designed to be a placeholder and to insure the Packers couldn't trade him without his consent. That was the main goal of that deal and both Rodgers and the Packers front office were fully aware there was zero chance he'd play on that contract in GB or elsewhere in 2023, 2024 and beyond. No chance

Rodgers has talked openly about the need to re-do the deal. Gute has talked openly about the need to re-do the deal. Andrew Brandt wrote an article and talked about how the deal would be re-done no matter what. Everybody who matters understands why the Packers agreed to that contract.

The media numbnuts either don't know or most likely don't care. Wilfull ignorance works in their favor and they can keep pouring even more gas on the "Rodgers is holding the Packers hostage" fire. Its incredibly stupid

Don't let them lead you into stupidity. Stop thinking the FO effed up.
They didn't.

100 % guarantee that Rodgers will re-do his deal ( especially the option bonus) if  he returns to the NFL this year. He'll either help GB or help GB and their trade partners.

@Packy posted:

If Rodgers is traded…I’m still confused on timing.  I thought I read that it would be better for the Packers to wait until after June 10th ? maybe.  Who has the x4 insight?  

A trading team will want AR as soon as possible in order to attract free agents. Rodgers would want that for the new team as well.  Packers are better off taking the entire cap hit this year and they basically already have the cap space to do so. There’s no reason to spread it out.

Lol the “media” doesn’t get it but some  fans that post on X4 do.  That’s some next level shit right there.  So glad we can be graced by the presence from members of Aaron Rodgers inner circle on this site. I mean let’s count our blessings already.

JFC 12 make up your mind so I can restore some IQ points from all the expert analysis happening here lately.

I’m down with stating opinions and responding to hot takes oh hails yeah.  That’s all it is.  If it’s not, well, my advice is you aren’t worth much as an insider and don’t quit your day job.

@PackLandVA posted:

You don’t have to actually cite quotes or name anyone for it to be “bad mouthing”. Usually all that needs to be done is is to state “sources tell me”, or “insiders have said for months…” or something like that.  You can also take a phrase or sentence that, standing alone, sounds like bad mouthing or generally negative.  Something like an answer of “Well, we’re ready for Love to be our starter” when the uncited question was “What is the Packers Plan if AR retires?”

C’mon Pakrz, it’s not really that difficult. You’re digging too deep!

You are literally just making shit up.  Nobody in GB has bad mouthed Rodgers.  The fact that Gute indicated that he thinks Love is ready to play has absolutely nothing to do with Rodgers.  

2 things I think about with where Packers nation is today.

1) Rodgers and his inner circle are a tight lipped group. Extremely.

2) None of us, including the media, knew Julius Peppers had signed with GB until we saw the picture of him standing in the middle of Lambeau.

Until we hear from Rodgers or Gutekunst, lot of time wasted and/or fretted over a decision that really has very little impact on our personal lives.

@Pakrz posted:

You are literally just making shit up.  Nobody in GB has bad mouthed Rodgers.  The fact that Gute indicated that he thinks Love is ready to play has absolutely nothing to do with Rodgers.  

You’re clearly missing the sarcasm in my post,  re-read please. Basically I’m bagging on media reporting “sources” and taking phrases/comments completely out of context.

I actually don’t get all lathered about about AR in the off season, think he’ll be the Packers QB in 2023 unless I hear it from him or the Packers brass, and take everything else (this board, the innerwebs, tv/radio) with a grain of salt.

**I just read H5’s post above and, yes.

I could care less whether Rodgers retires, plays for the Packers or is traded.

But not much less.

@titmfatied posted:

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*disclaimer: I have zero informed insight and this is all speculative.

Just typing 'IMO' is quicker.

Tonight, I'm wondering about the Pittsburgh Steelers

What if the bromance between Rodgers and Tomlin is real ?
Steelers have a 1st, the fist pick in round 2 ( from the bears) and another 2nd

17, 32, 50

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/steelers

That's a viable trade package. Steelers have a defense ready to win and the offense is a QB and a bit more away.

Depth Chart here: 2 decent WRs and Najee Harris at RB
Matt Canada OC runs a similar offense to MLF

https://www.ourlads.com/nfldepthcharts/depthchart/PIT

While I was looking into Pitt OC, Matt Canada's offense, I came across this article
Its written right when the Steelers were trying to push Big Ben off the island.
Its rather illuminating and eerie in the parallels to the transition from MM to MLF with an aging Rodgers.

https://www.behindthesteelcurt...ll-players-nfl-draft

"The part that caught my attention was where GM Colbert indicated it would be impossible to jump into Canada's offense with the Steelers’ current personnel.
As I mentioned in Part One, Canada’s system stresses multiple groups and formations, a variety of shifts and motions, varied tempos, an emphasis on pocket movement and a play-action passing game.

It is a sharp divergence from the scheme former coordinator Randy Ficthner employed. Fichtner’s scheme was largely static, operating predominantly from 11 personnel, limiting formations and motions and relying on Ben Roethlisberger to diagnose defenses and make decisions. It’s no wonder Colbert sees the rollout as a gradual process. It’s a significant paradigm shift.

Canada’s system begins with the quarterback. If it’s Rudolph, we will see a faster rollout. If it’s Roethlisberger, we may get something more like Canada Lite
Few of the elements of the new offense play to Roethlisberger’s strengths. Why hamstring Canada, then, by forcing him to work around Roethlisberger’s limitations?

This is the perfect time to respectfully bid him adieu and evaluate Mason Rudolph. Rudolph may not be the ideal choice but he is better suited to run Canada’s system. Additionally, a Roethlisberger return puts Rudolph on the bench for the final season of his rookie contract. The Steelers would then have to extend him or cut him loose without getting an honest look at how he works with Canada.

*Imo 😉, we should be wondering why the man 12 declared was the greatest coach in the history of the game seemingly has expressed zero interest this off-season in acquiring his services despite interest from another team in his division. You'd think 12 would signal to the Packers he'd like everything to be publicly amicable and work out a quiet exit to a collaborative relationship between two people who have a beneficial interest in winning a championship with one another. You'd think that team would at least throw their hat in the ring to drive up the cost for the Jets. Crickets.

It's almost like someone's grown comfortable hiding behind a supportive fan base and throwing daggers at the organization that 'let him down'. It's a lot easier than putting in the work to lift everyone around him.

I'll also say, imo, that the reason 12 said he knew he wasn't going to SF at the Pebble Beach Pro Am is because he  underhandedly tried to orchestrate his way there with Lynch and Shanahan in 2021 and the organization rightly shut that bullshit down.

Per sources. Aaron Rodgers and the Jets had conversations today. While nothing is imminent Rodgers is open to the idea of going to NY

— trey wingo (@wingoz) March 7, 2023

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

For those of you who work in the Packers organization, when exactly is the deadline so the rest of us can stop fretting

Hasn’t it always been the date when the cap hit falls if we move on?   I forget the date..  June?  

@titmfatied posted:

*Imo 😉, we should be wondering why the man 12 declared was the greatest coach in the history of the game seemingly has expressed zero interest this off-season in acquiring his services despite interest from another team in his division. You'd think 12 would signal to the Packers he'd like everything to be publicly amicable and work out a quiet exit to a collaborative relationship between two people who have a beneficial interest in winning a championship with one another. You'd think that team would at least throw their hat in the ring to drive up the cost for the Jets. Crickets.

It's almost like someone's grown comfortable hiding behind a supportive fan base and throwing daggers at the organization that 'let him down'. It's a lot easier than putting in the work to lift everyone around him.

I'll also say, imo, that the reason 12 said he knew he wasn't going to SF at the Pebble Beach Pro Am is because he  underhandedly tried to orchestrate his way there with Lynch and Shanahan in 2021 and the organization rightly shut that bullshit down.

With all due respect, and you deserve a lot of respect, you don’t know shit about what’s going on.    None of us do.  None of the talking heads do.

Put on a hockey game, have a Molson or 6.   RELAX.

@H5 posted:

2 things I think about with where Packers nation is today.

1) Rodgers and his inner circle are a tight lipped group. Extremely.

2) None of us, including the media, knew Julius Peppers had signed with GB until we saw the picture of him standing in the middle of Lambeau.

Until we hear from Rodgers or Gutekunst, lot of time wasted and/or fretted over a decision that really has very little impact on our personal lives.

This might be the first time I have ever 100% agreed with you.  It only took about 5 years or so of visiting this place.  

I feel dirty.

If he’s open to going to the Jets then he’s open to finishing third (probably last) in the AFC East and missing the playoffs by losing to the Eagles, Chiefs, Chargers, and Cowboys.

I‘m sure he’ll love spreading the ball to all of the Jets talented receiver, and will be on the same page with their offense Week 1.

@BrainDed posted:

With all due respect, and you deserve a lot of respect, you don’t know shit about what’s going on.    None of us do.  None of the talking heads do.

Put on a hockey game, have a Molson or 6.   RELAX.

I'm 100% certain his commitment level last year wasn't enough. They didn't give him $50+ million dollars to do as he damn well pleased all off season and then prance into training camp dressed up like it was a high school Halloween dance. He checked out, said it wouldn't matter because there would be enough time in training camp to figure it all out, showed up like a clown, and then pouted when the young guys couldn't get up to speed quick enough. He was dead wrong and I'd love to see a quote where he admitted it and regretted it.

@Pikes Peak posted:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/30...ell-pilot/index.html

Ah, the usual suspects.

If the reports are true, and Rodgers does end up with the Jets, why can’t they win or really compete for the AFC East title?  

IMO the Bills are closer to being a fringe playoff team than winning the Super Bowl. Allen regressed this past year, they have no running game, and that defense is extremely overrated.  

Miami is decent but can Tua stay healthy?  I don’t know.  

As for the Patriots, I don’t think they scare anyone.  

Now, can a Rodgers QBd Jets team beat the Bengals or Chiefs in the playoffs?    Probably not.   But they can absolutely be in the mix to win that division and get a 3 or 4 seed.   They were in the mix 2/3 of last season with zero QB play.

The Jets are a much better landing spot for Aaron than the Raiders, although, I’d much rather prefer the Raiders #1 than the Jets #1 but beggars can’t be choosers.  

A 1 this year, a 2 or 3 next year (maybe conditional) would seem about right.  

@NumberThree posted:

If he’s open to going to the Jets then he’s open to finishing third (probably last) in the AFC East and missing the playoffs by losing to the Eagles, Chiefs, Chargers, and Cowboys.

I‘m sure he’ll love spreading the ball to all of the Jets talented receiver, and will be on the same page with their offense Week 1.

Finish 3rd,  why move?

According to Bleacher Report, Monday evening Rodgers had conversations with the NY Jets.  Permission was granted by the Packers for the Jets to talk with him.  

@Satori posted:

Tonight, I'm wondering about the Pittsburgh Steelers

While I was looking into Pitt OC, Matt Canada's offense, I came across this article
Its written right when the Steelers were trying to push Big Ben off the island.
Its rather illuminating and eerie in the parallels to the transition from MM to MLF with an aging Rodgers.

https://www.behindthesteelcurt...ll-players-nfl-draft

"The part that caught my attention was where GM Colbert indicated it would be impossible to jump into Canada's offense with the Steelers’ current personnel.
As I mentioned in Part One, Canada’s system stresses multiple groups and formations, a variety of shifts and motions, varied tempos, an emphasis on pocket movement and a play-action passing game.

It is a sharp divergence from the scheme former coordinator Randy Ficthner employed. Fichtner’s scheme was largely static, operating predominantly from 11 personnel, limiting formations and motions and relying on Ben Roethlisberger to diagnose defenses and make decisions. It’s no wonder Colbert sees the rollout as a gradual process. It’s a significant paradigm shift.

Canada’s system begins with the quarterback. If it’s Rudolph, we will see a faster rollout. If it’s Roethlisberger, we may get something more like Canada Lite
Few of the elements of the new offense play to Roethlisberger’s strengths. Why hamstring Canada, then, by forcing him to work around Roethlisberger’s limitations?

This is the perfect time to respectfully bid him adieu and evaluate Mason Rudolph. Rudolph may not be the ideal choice but he is better suited to run Canada’s system. Additionally, a Roethlisberger return puts Rudolph on the bench for the final season of his rookie contract. The Steelers would then have to extend him or cut him loose without getting an honest look at how he works with Canada.

AR doesn't want to run that type of offense.  Didn't PIT just replace Canada?

Again, I think this is a matter of working out the trade details and the money GB is willing to pay of Rodgers remaining contract. I would guess a trade announcement comes at the end of this week.

Aaron Rodgers said on Jan. 24: "I'm open to all honest and direct conversations. If they (Green Bay) feel like it's in the best interest of the team, so be it. That wouldn't offend me. It wouldn't make me feel like a victim. I wouldn't have any animosity toward the team." https://t.co/b91ekG11qS

— Ari Meirov (@MySportsUpdate) March 7, 2023

I seem to recall Matt Canada being OC for the Badgers so looked it up.  One season (2012) with the immortal Joel Stave at the helm!    That was a pretty good team other than the QB (ugh).

@Pikes Peak posted:

Finish 3rd,  why move?

Because the Bears are not going anywhere and the Bandwagon Franchise will be lucky to have half of their roster back and still stuck regardless.

His best shot at a division title and playoff run is in the NFC North. Any AFC team that actually is in the market for a QB is not a QB away from a playoff run.

@packerboi posted:

Again, I think this is a matter of working out the trade details and the money GB is willing to pay of Rodgers remaining contract. I would guess a trade announcement comes at the end of this week.

This is the dilemma.  Do you want more high picks or more cap relief?  I wonder if they restructure then trade to get the picks.  Though that just pushes more of his dead money to future years.

Sure would be nice if there were more than one bidder.

Last week it was rumored that NE could get into the Rodgers sweepstakes. It would also be a very Billicheat/Kraft thing to want to fuck over the Jets and steal Rodgers from them.

I don't believe the Packers care which AFC team gets into a bidding war for Rodgers so long as Rodgers is willing to go there. But, I think the Jets placing Hackett as OC is also a very big deal. It would mean that Rodgers still plays in basically the same system as he has here and that Hackett would continue to give him the power to check out of plays and play hero ball when he felt like it.

King's ransom was available last year; no such luck now. Priority now appears to be moving on and the compensation is secondary.

As Brandt stated, any compensation will be directly proportional to how much salary they are willing to eat.

There are a lot of talking heads out there, with a lot of opinions that are mostly wrong. But Brandt is a different animal...he's been in the Packers backroom. When he talks, there is weight to his words.

@NumberThree posted:

Because the Bears are not going anywhere and the Bandwagon Franchise will be lucky to have half of their roster back and still stuck regardless.

His best shot at a division title and playoff run is in the NFC North. Any AFC team that actually is in the market for a QB is not a QB away from a playoff run.

Rodgers will have a lot better chance in the AL East than the AL West of making the playoffs. The Jets actually beat the Bills and Dolphins last season before their collapse while every division game they lost was a one score game.

@DH13 posted:

This is the dilemma.  Do you want more high picks or more cap relief?  I wonder if they restructure then trade to get the picks.  Though that just pushes more of his dead money to future years.

Sure would be nice if there were more than one bidder.

In a perfect world Rodgers will renegotiate with his new team and the Packers only take a cap hit on the signing bonus they gave him. I think if the Packers got the Jets #1 pick and didn't have to throw in any cash it would be a windfall for the Packers They could sign a cap friendly deal with Love, eliminating his $20 mil 5th year option, and be a player in free agency in 2024.

@packerboi posted:

Last week it was rumored that NE could get into the Rodgers sweepstakes. It would also be a very Billicheat/Kraft thing to want to fuck over the Jets and steal Rodgers from them.

Because we're all biding time right now, I thought about that and BB certainly holds AR in high esteem.

But if anyone thinks AR not retiring this year has anything to do with the fact TB retired this year, then they also have to see there is no way AR would want to come into NE in TB's shadow.  What # would he wear?  What # would they let him wear?  He doesn't win a SB and the narrative automatically becomes (legit or not) that TB could win SB's with BB but AR could not. 

I think AR wants to steer clear of any scenario that puts him in a side by side comparison with TB at this point in his career.

But that depends on how big that chip on his shoulder is going to be if he gets shipped.

The Packers take a 40 million cap hit minimum if they trade Rodgers, per Ken Ingalls.  That cannot be renegotiated.   The "re-doing" the deal if he stays to add void years just pushes out dead cap hits on the Packers further.  "re-doing" the deal if he goes only benefits the team receiving Rodgers, not the Packers.  There is nothing masterful about the contract.  It is an albatross.

@michiganjoe posted:

King's ransom was available last year; no such luck now. Priority now appears to be moving on and the compensation is secondary.

The way our front office is structure caused that failure. Gute drafted Love and it wasn't to sit on the bench for 3 years so we know where he stood. Unfortunately he'll be blamed even though Murphy was probably the problem.

@DH13 posted:

But if anyone thinks AR not retiring this year has anything to do with the fact TB retired this year, then they also have to see there is no way AR would want to come into NE in TB's shadow.

This is very true and the fact that Brady moved on and won a SB without BB's shadow could be part of the reason Rodgers was so willing to accept a trade. If Rodgers did miraculously win a SB it would completely erase the stigma of failing in the playoffs and I'm sure he'd like that too.

@50k Club posted:

The Packers take a 40 million cap hit minimum if they trade Rodgers, per Ken Ingalls.  That cannot be renegotiated.   The "re-doing" the deal if he stays to add void years just pushes out dead cap hits on the Packers further.  "re-doing" the deal if he goes only benefits the team receiving Rodgers, not the Packers.  There is nothing masterful about the contract.  It is an albatross.

It had to be the worst contract ever written from a team standpoint. I think if Rodgers played in the GB this season the cap hit was only $31 mil so how FU is that?

I have to believe the Packers fielded inquires a year ago but Mark Murphy and the FO didn’t want to take the PR hit.  Given the season they just had, I think most fans are now ready to move on.  It’s time.  

Definitely time. When the team fails to make the playoffs it's obvious Rodgers is no longer a difference maker.

@50k Club posted:

There is nothing masterful about the contract.  It is an albatross.

Yep.

Good thing Gutey reports to Ol' Murph and Murph reports to no one, because otherwise there might be repercussions for making such a horrendous deal with a player/personality they've only had in the building for 18 years.

Oh well, only 2.33 years left until the Murph retirement celebration tour finally comes to an end.

And surely the lucrative contract extension Murph gave his boy Gutey last offseason (right after Gutey inked that new extension with #12)  runs out some time this decade, right?