To me, I think Gute is trying to reframe our whole approach. No more finesse football  with a pocket QB and a bunch of receivers that gets shutdown and out-physicalled in January.

RTFB, focus on defense, draft an athletic qb with dual threat capability.

Draft Jones, draft Williams, draft Dillon, resign Jones

Draft heavy defense, de prioritize WR position in draft and FA

Bring in FA defensive help to bolster weak positions.

MLF was the perfect hire for this from his time at Tennessee. They are trying to mimic this strategy in the McVey/Shanahan/Harbaugh approach

This is going away from everything the Packers have been since the 60s. This isnt the Dickey/Lofton/Jefferson high fiving Packers , the Majik show or the Favre/Sharpe/Brooks/Freeman attack under the west coast offense of Holmgren.

Just my too sense , but I think FO is trying to redefine the offensive approach thats been in GreenBay for the last 40 years.

As a fan I really want them to band-aid this group back together and still take another shot or 2 at this. Look at KC . It still works if you surround the QB with speed and talent. To me it just seems like there is a new strategy being put in place to address our woeful home playoff performances and Rodgers isnt part of that .

Yes, when Brady wakes up in the morning and his toddler runs up to hug him he gets the Heisman stiff arm.   No time to think about anything but championships you little loser!

Well, the kid was trying kiss him on the lips. GROSS!!!

Still an Aaron Rodgers fan. Sign him to a new contract.

Split the $46 million over 2 years and call it done.

Or, pull a Denver and pay him a shitload under the table.

Take Gisselle from Tommy and give her to Aaron.

Since the Bert situation was by most accounts a botched endeavor, as was last offseason's Rodgers drama, I sure hope the one thing they understand is to be out in front of this situation they face now. Strike a deal with AR if he wants to stick around, requiring some type of concession that he help get it done, whether it be $$$ or whatever. Or get your ducks in a row and be ready to to talk those teams who might be interested. Know your price and know what you plan to do with the compensation.

Based on the current situation, it's not nearly as simple as it appeared to be a year ago. You have guys you need to lock up longterm, and vets who will see the door. It's a very different locker room next year.

This loss really threw a lot of plans off kilter, I think. It's one thing to lose two conference title games, it's another to fail to reach that point. So unless both organization and player have their own contingency plans, this could bode awfully for all parties concerned.

I'd be curious to know how much Rodgers believes this loss to be a lasting albatross that he must carry with him. I'd also be curious to see if GB can prove they learned something from the debacle of last summer.

I predicted this team would put their stamp on this postseason, laying claim to something they believed was rightfully theirs to take. This loss did anything but, and as a result this spring/summer may turn out to be even more of a clusterfuck.

@artis posted:

I'd be curious to know how much Rodgers believes this loss to be a lasting albatross that he must carry with him.

Seemed more focused on playing the victim due to vaccination status on McAfee than the loss itself.

IMO whether this is a rebuild or a reload depends entirely on 12's willingness to take less money at the end of the day a la Tom Brady. That freed up money will allow them A) to pay 17 and B) to go out and get a couple guys that can help get them over the hump.

If that isn't going to happen, then they may as well Kings X it and start the rebuild.

I think (like most of us) Rodgers and the Packers expected to advance and at least make it to if not win the Super Bowl.   Very few people thought the season would end this way and in this fashion.

To that end, I think it’s not as simple as it was last year where essentially you knew they could run it back with the same team and same coaches.  

Regardless of whether he stays or goes the 2022 Packers will look dramatically different.  If I’m Rodgers I know that I have to manage that process and for a guy that seems to thrive on relationships and continuity I don’t think it’s as easy as just approaching the FO and getting them to retain 17.  A lot of other pieces need to fall into place and regardless of what MLF thinks to even maintain a similar roster or coaching staff will be virtually impossible.  

That being said, if going out on top is truly the goal it’s hard to imagine him doing so in a place like Denver or Pittsburgh where you will have to navigate multiple other teams that will be just as good if not better than you.  In the NFC, if Brady hangs it up, it just got a whole lot easier.  The Rams and Niners and Cardinals and maybe Cowboys should be decent, but none of them are on the level of the Chiefs or Bills and assuming the Ravens and Titans rebound there are two more to contend with along with up and coming QBs and teams like the Chargers and Bengals.   If Cleveland can simply get average QB performance they are right there as well.

The Packers basically have 5 or 6 wins off the top just by playing in the NFC North.  Rodgers knows this and that should factor into his decision to likely want to return to GB if they can navigate the cap without gutting the roster.

The one quote that stuck with me from the McAfee show was that he knows that his decision impacts others on this team and he will respect that.  The other thing he seemed genuine about is that his relationship with Gute has grown to be a good one. 

Tschmack,  I agree that this team could look quite a bit different next year.  A lot is going to depend on how they can shift salary cap dollars around to try and keep as many of the players as they can. 

I don't give a fuck.  Win a Super Bowl.  I don't care if they keep pushing out the cap with Rodgers or blow it up and start over.  The only thing I want to see from the FO is a commitment to WINNING a Super Bowl without having to get kicked in the nuts by a star player.

The way this forum rambles on about fucking contracts and player's mental states is bordering on the absurd.

I don't know what shit you were dealing with Mayo but firing Drayton was the most "no fucking shit" move weeks ago.  While the FO made a nice run late in the FA period they did exactly that, late in FA and due to Rodgers fucking bullshit in the offseason.

You want analysis?  This is not a well run team and it shows in every fucking facet.

Win a fucking Super Bowl or show yourself the door.  I don't give a fuck who it is.

I think his entire decision is if he wants to continue to play or not, and not if it's with a different team.  I think deep down he knows his best shot is still with the Packers, even if we lose a bunch of people, including Adams.

If you look at the things AR has actually said and not what people perceive, he mainly has wanted to retire a Packer and play into his 40s.  He also wanted more say in decisions and more control over his future.  He got some of the later this year which probably helped his relationship with Gute.

Not once have I ever heard him talk about playing for another team, ever.  But he has said that he would never come out of retirement as a free agent, which means retirement is a real possibility in his mind.

I feel like as fans we think about a trade as an option because from the NFL/team perspective it is.  But Rodgers has really never said anything publicly about it being a realistic option.  At least not in the same way he's talked about playing for the Packers his entire career or whether he wants to keep playing or not.

IMO, he's either going to play with the Pack regardless of what the team looks like, knowing its still his best shot at a ring (because of the ease of the NFC vs AFC or the fact that he doesn't have to relearn a new offense again), or he decides to retire.  I simply do not see him being traded or him wanting to be.

The trade option was more of a reality last offseason, when the relationship with the FO was bad.  Sounds like things are in a better place now.  I think it's retire or work out a new contract with the Packers.  And it doesn't seem like Rodgers wants to retire just yet...  Like it or not, our best chance at another SB run next year is with Rodgers.

Our real best chance just passed IMO.

Lots of front office magic and player/agent buy in will be needed to keep it rolling.

AR comes back ... the team isn't quite as good, makes the playoffs gets only one home game vs. an inferior opponent ... expectations are tempered, have to travel to domes / warm weather for remainder of playoffs & AR lights it up.

That crossed my mind Sunday.  Playing away in domes. There has been so much emphasis on getting the bye and HFA.

Maybe it's time for another stock sale so we can put a dome on Lambeau?

@DocBenni posted:

Maybe it's time for another stock sale so we can put a dome on Lambeau?

How about a really big tarp?  Blaze orange.

The world's biggest cheesehead.

@FLPACKER posted:

AR comes back ... the team isn't quite as good, makes the playoffs gets only one home game vs. an inferior opponent ... expectations are tempered, have to travel to domes / warm weather for remainder of playoffs & AR lights it up.

Agreed on the domes.  Sick of this team pussing out while getting their asses kicked.

@Pikes Peak posted:

Our real best chance just passed IMO.

Lots of front office magic and player/agent buy in will be needed to keep it rolling.

Our REAL best chance passed in the loss to TB in last season's NFCC.

That 2020 team was pretty dominant during the year, healthy as could be expected in the playoffs, and put up 26 points against a stout TB defense.

It would have beaten an injured Mahomes-led KC team in the SB.

This season's team had a horseshoe up its derriere all season. The injuries really hurt, especially on offense at the end of the season.

The offensive line had so many injuries and was in a state of flux by the time the playoffs rolled around. There was no receiving threat at TE without Bobby Tonyan. No speed at WR without MVS. And the running attacks after Dillon broke his rib scared no one.

Running it back again with Rodge and without so many key players in 2022 is a recipe for nothing more than probably winning the crappy NFC North yet again.

Who is excited about GB winning its 9th NFC North Title in 12 seasons and then bowing out before reaching the SB?

Let the re-build begin now ... rather than delaying any real shot of winning a SB in the future.

The offensive line wasn't in a Flux. The coaching staff chose to Flux it up.

If Rodgers wants to be back in GB I’m 99% sure the team will take him back even if it means overpaying him or pushing this team into cap hell.  He still gives them the best chance next year to be relevant even with what will likely be a number of departures (players and coaches).

But let’s get real - if winning the SB is the objective I’m not sure if it matters if Rodgers is your QB or not.   They had just about everything lined up last year and this year to make it happen and they failed miserably.  Yes, that’s not all on 12 but he didn’t make the key plays when it mattered against TB or SF.

I’d expect another NFC North title and maybe a playoff win but IMO that’s the ceiling for 2022.  

@FLPACKER posted:

AR comes back ... the team isn't quite as good, makes the playoffs gets only one home game vs. an inferior opponent ... expectations are tempered, have to travel to domes / warm weather for remainder of playoffs & AR lights it up.

Seems he has a much easier time dealing with the away crowd noise than Lambeau freezing temps.

@Tschmack posted:

if winning the SB is the objective

Maybe they should concentrate on being the 6th seed.

@bdplant posted:

Seems he has a much easier time dealing with the away crowd noise than Lambeau freezing temps.

If your philosophy when it gets to crunch time is to look only to Davante downfield and, if he's not open, throw a checkdown to Aaron Jones, crowd noise has less of an effect. It's not like you need to be able to call an audible to go to a more favorable matchup.

Snap count.  Slows the pass rush.

@Tschmack posted:

If Rodgers wants to be back in GB I’m 99% sure the team will take him back even if it means overpaying him or pushing this team into cap hell.  He still gives them the best chance next year to be relevant even with what will likely be a number of departures (players and coaches).

But let’s get real - if winning the SB is the objective I’m not sure if it matters if Rodgers is your QB or not.   They had just about everything lined up last year and this year to make it happen and they failed miserably.  Yes, that’s not all on 12 but he didn’t make the key plays when it mattered against TB or SF.

I’d expect another NFC North title and maybe a playoff win but IMO that’s the ceiling for 2022.  

to me it is a little bit of an indictment on 10 - if they supercontract 12 - 10 is not impressing...

How the 49ers defense shut down Aaron Rodgers and the Packers

https://www.ninersnation.com/2...ead-playoffs-packers

For those who don’t want to read it the Niners whispered to Rodgers before the game that they were going to double cover Mercedes Lewis the whole game.

@DH13 posted:

Snap count.  Slows the pass rush.

Paradoxically with Rodgers, knowing that he's likely to get earlier pass rush pressure forcing him to get the ball out early may help him play within the game plan more. When he takes the easy, quick completions, the offense has a much better flow.

It was hard for me to tell from TV, but was Lambeau very loud?  That's really the only advantage the Packers had with the cold.  I know LaFleur would want to emphasize the running game as well, but the running game/run blocking was suspect all year.  Of course, AJ Dillon getting injured on special teams didn't help either.

Locked On Packers had Ahman Green on after the game.  He estimated 1/4 of their offense was shelved when Dillon went out.  We've all seen what Dillon can do late in a game and I have to think he was supposed to be a big part of the 2nd half offense.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Paradoxically with Rodgers, knowing that he's likely to get earlier pass rush pressure forcing him to get the ball out early may help him play within the game plan more. When he takes the easy, quick completions, the offense has a much better flow.

This is absolutely correct, but he is lacking the pattern recognition skills to see that. Ego will do that. Blur the facts.

Weird update on his personal life.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tv...iscuss-politics.html

Good luck to them.

My wife also agrees to disagree on lots of things

@YATittle posted:

Weird update on his personal life.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/tv...iscuss-politics.html

Can you imagine that egomaniac dealing with any disagreement?

When it comes to sunning your vagina, there really is no debate. You're right or you're wrong.