@bvan posted:I wanna see some Benkert.
Longing for a return to the Randy Wright days, are we?
@Herschel posted:The issue still comes down to having a franchise QB, not even a HoF one. Love hasn't shown squat yet. Are you ready to instantly go back to the 70s/80s or do you want to ride the wave a few more years?
Riding the wave: A couple more years of contending and time for Love to develop. A crap cap year is coming, but there's also a couple more shots at a Lombardi.
Blow it up: Instant tank. If Love isn't the perceived answer, they're instantly cellar dwellers and in the running for the top pick. Load up on pass rushers, maybe a Left Tackle, corners and wideouts. 2023 get your QB and (hopefully) work on your defensive line. Extend Amos and Alexander. Rodgers, Adams, Smith, Smith, etc. all gone. Hope to be competitive again in 2024.
The Packers also have built-in contract "outs" on guys like Aaron Jones and Adrian Amos after next season. That leads me to believe they have a plan for at least one more run in 2022.
While the rational part of me completely agrees the skeptical side thinks this FO can't do it.
I'm also starting to question just how green Mayo is.
I think a flaw in the "ride the wave a few more years" is that Rodgers gets to decide to walk away after 2022. I don't have the details but my understanding was the Packers reworked the deal so Rodgers is free to walk after next season. Packers don't have a say in it. So Gute can mortgage the cap in 2022 only to see Rodgers walk away and leave the Packers with nothing. That's the concern.
So for the Packers, it's bring it back for ONE more shot, or trade him and rebuild. Only way ride the wave for a few more years is if Rodgers agrees to ride the wave. So outside of Rodgers extending his deal to at least the end of 2023, I think Gute has to think trade. If Gute brings it back for 2022 without Rodgers on board for 2023, you have to assume Rodgers walks away after the season for nothing in return. That's an express route to the 70's and 80's. Getting a couple firsts in return at least gives them an avenue to a quick rebuild.
And Rodgers could look at the Packers and see that Campbell and Douglas are likely gone, Z Smith or P Smith is likely cut, Adams may be gone, Hackett and other offensive coaches are gone, specials teams coach wasn't fired, then decide that it's not worth riding that wave a few mores years. If that happens, Gute should probably trade Rodgers to expedite a rebuild.
Without knowing if Rodgers is on board for 2023, it's really hard to have an opinion.
If AR leaves, I’ll be very curious how this offense changes. Of course there will be a big drop off going from AR to JL. What I’m wondering is if we see a shift in how this offense schemes. Do we see more RPO? Will we play more like the 49ers who also have a QB with limitations?
@DocBenni posted:If AR leaves, I’ll be very curious how this offense changes. Of course there will be a big drop off going from AR to JL. What I’m wondering is if we see a shift in how this offense schemes. Do we see more RPO? Will we play more like the 49ers who also have a QB with limitations?
Not sure why we'd see any more RPO than we do now. Love isn't a scrambling QB.
RPO is a good way to get QB1 KTFO.
Yeah, it's great when they are young, but at some point it will take its toll. It's already show on Lamar Jackson, and will eventually show on Mahomes.
IF #10 is our QB1 for the foreseeable future, they need to coach him to use his legs as a last resort...like #12.
Any gameplan that involves him intentionally pulling it and running with it more than 10 times in a season is a bad one.
Like Josh Allen. Bills fans love it but he's gonna get hurt sooner than later.
So, what would it cost to keep Rodgers and sign Adams? Salary cap wise, wouldn’t that just be something that would hamper us for years? I say trade Rodgers and try to sign Adams if possible.
@Packy posted:So, what would it cost to keep Rodgers and sign Adams? Salary cap wise, wouldn’t that just be something that would hamper us for years? I say trade Rodgers and try to sign Adams if possible.
Tag Adams, reduce cap by ditching both Smiths, restructure and extend Rodgers 2 years with record setting guaranteed money.
I’d rather take 3 more years worth of shots with the core team that’s come together over the last 3 years going 39-10 than I would with whomever would be our QB next year.
Or, maybe let Rodgers go a year early rather than a year later and get something good for him.
@Packy posted:Or, maybe let Rodgers go a year early rather than a year later and get something good for him.
Too late
@Packy posted:Or, maybe let Rodgers go a year early rather than a year later and get something good for him.
I think Rodgers either commits for two years or you trade him.
Probably right but for some reason I don’t think Rodgers will ever bring us another Super Bowl win. You have to move on at some point so trade him now. 🤷♂️
@Packy posted:Or, maybe let Rodgers go a year early rather than a year later and get something good for him.
Yeah, when it comes to big decisions such as moving on from Rodge, I'm confident the Packer FRONT OFFICE that we've all witnessed these past 11 season will be proactive -- just like always.
Let Ted stay 2-3, more? years too long?
McCarthy 3-4 years too long?
Dom 4-5 years too long?
Pettine at least 1 year too long.
Every ST coordinator on staff too long.
Clay way too long, not to mention lower-lights like Kevin King.
With MURPH as Team President, if the Pack has been known for anything it is a ruthless commitment to winning Super Bowls over anything else.
@NumberThree posted:Tag Adams, reduce cap by ditching both Smiths, restructure and extend Rodgers 2 years with record setting guaranteed money.
I’d rather take 3 more years worth of shots with the core team that’s come together over the last 3 years going 39-10 than I would with whomever would be our QB next year.
Are you supplying the record setting guaranteed money? Or just fuck it and bankrupt the team for a playoff choker?
@NumberThree posted:Tag Adams, reduce cap by ditching both Smiths, restructure and extend Rodgers 2 years with record setting guaranteed money.
I’d rather take 3 more years worth of shots with the core team that’s come together over the last 3 years going 39-10 than I would with whomever would be our QB next year.
I read an article last week that said tagging Adams would cost $22M, and to fit that under the cap would require cutting out $75M in salaries. That's without figuring the need to extend Jaire, Jenkins and Gary. Doesn't leave much core left.
The cap is the cap.
If Rodgers really wants to return I think they can find a way to bring back Adams as well. Maybe MVS as well if that’s what 12 wants.
The issue is they will likely have to release several starters and likely will not have money left to extend Jaire and Douglas and Campbell. Possibly could afford Tonyan or maybe another guy like Patrick.
Does anyone think cutting or not extending almost 1/4 of your team is a recipe for success? I don’t.
I go back and forth between wanting AR to stay so we can keep beating CHI and MIN for another 2-3 years and then completely rebuilding without multiple high picks in 2024. Or dealing AR now and losing for several years before you have a better chance of regularly beating them again down the road.
How many teams after this weekend thought, “man, we are just a Mathew Stafford awaY from from going to the super bowl “
If they really want to keep the band together, they can.
As someone who managed that Cap for ten years, ignore the drama. They've had a plan for months to deal with the overage. They'll figure it out. https://t.co/fDtfCeaPvF
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) January 30, 2022
Of course. That used to be my job. https://t.co/6kYOY5rsIA
— Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) January 30, 2022
This reminds me of the Office episode where I think Michael is sitting with an accountant who has an excel spreadsheet open. He gives Michael some bad news and Michael demands that he "run the numbers again!" The account taps the return key once, looks up at him and shakes his head.
If AR had gotten them to several Super Bowls (with one of them in the last 3 years) I’d say you absolutely try and keep the core group together. But he hasn’t. Yes, it’s a team effort but the best at the position can overcome some of those things. I think the prudent choice is to trade him and get what you can. Let Love take over next year. If he sucks, you draft a QB in 23.
The problem with Rodgers (beyond not winning in the playoffs) is he’s on the books for 46M this upcoming season. For those keeping score, that’s double what Matt Stafford is making this year or next.
Seattle with Russ Wilson, just like KC and Mahomes, figured out it’s a lot easier to win titles when you aren’t paying the QB massive amounts of money.
If you had told me that the Seahawks and Chiefs would have just 2 championships between them with Wilson and Mahomes I wouldn’t have believed it.
A primary reason Brady won all of those rings in New England is he took less than market rate. Will Rodgers? We’ll see, because there is no way they can pay him what’s he’s scheduled to make and still surround him with a decent group of players.
@Pikes Peak posted:You draft a QB this year….irregardless.
I have always agreed with Ron Wolf that you draft a QB somewhere every year. And I think this year is no different
@MichiganPacker posted:I think Rodgers either commits for two years or you trade him.
Yeah.. The team cannot except him playing out the final year of the contract. It's extension for cheap or trade. Up to Aaron.
I have no problem drafting a QB, but in all those years of drafting a 2nd-7th round QB all it got them was being able to trade Hasselbeck, Brunell, and Brooks.
Bottom line, in my hubrosity filled opinion, is that the best way to open the window for a SB is having a good QB on a rookie deal and a great roster around him. When that QB wants to get paid, that's when teams have trouble and the window closes. It can open again if you draft extremely well and hit on mid-tier free agents as long as the QB is a superstar. It's what happened to the seahags and the Aints. It's what I suspect will happen to Chefs. Of course the caveat to this is TB12 and the Patriots, but they are the outlier and not the norm.
@FLPACKER posted:
Link gives a very good look at the last two offensive plays. Forced ball to Cobb that easily could have been a pick-six was almost as bad as the miss to Lazard on the next play.
@Pikes Peak posted:You draft a QB this year….irregardless.
You are taunting me. Post reported.
@FLPACKER posted:
The last throw was by far the worst given that he clearly trusts Lazard and Lazard very rarely drops anything. Just a terrible read.
Every other play diagramed had DeGuara wide open. He wasn't going to throw to him, period. The coaching staff needed to address that. Maybe they did and he still ignored it. If that was Tonyan, the ball is going to him. Even if you don't trust him to catch it, if it's a 1st or 2nd down you have to throw it to him. It's probably why he was so open - the Niners film study probably showed that he never threw to him no matter how open he was so they didn't bother to cover him.
@The Heckler posted:I have always agreed with Ron Wolf that you draft a QB somewhere every year. And I think this year is no different
You can get Jack Coan in Round 6 or 7. He just wins games.