Chiefs don't use hand signals.
Probably been posted, and most likely summarizes the entire thread of late combined with the Love thread, but the question I struggle with is: Are the Packers competitive because OF Rodgers , or is he limiting their eventual potential ?
Years ago yes, last couple years NO.
The sooner he’s gone, the sooner the Packers can get out of salary cap hell and have the coin to start fielding a competitive team again.
At least that’s the way I understand it.
It's the ol' bird in hand or two in the bush thing, Tavis.
I would say Rodgers is what makes the Packers competitive most years, and likely gives them the best chance to win over the next year or two.
Limiting others' ("Love") potential? I don't see that it limits the team, but it definitely limits the player. No matter what his potential is.
All in all, I'd prefer Rodgers play the 2023 season, but with the caveat of a plan being in place for retirement/trade for 2024 that will hopefully coincide with a new team President and the eventual executive position-shuffling. Or replacement...
Calling my shot.... he gets traded to Jets or Raiders
Bukkake and Herman are saying the same thing...12 gets traded. Bukkake even said it happens by March 15 the start of new league year.
I'm thinking 12 stays. Finishes his career in GB.
@Boris posted:Calling my shot.... he gets traded to Jets or Raiders
They have the cap room to make the move and Woody Johnson said "he's absolutely" willing to spend big money on a FA QB. Hackett as DC also would sweeten the deal for Rodgers. And I also wouldn't be surprised if the Jet's sign his bff's Lewis and Cobb to further entice him.
I think the Jets would part with 2 firsts. Beyond that, I am not sure, but I think the Jets want to swing for the fences.
As the saying goes, all it takes is one owner.
I'm going on record saying that Rodgers retires ....or plays with Packers next season .... or gets traded.
@Dave in GA posted:I'm thinking 12 stays. Finishes his career in GB.
Rewatch the end of the Packer/Lion game after the clock reads :00 -- Just watch Rodgers
Picks 13 and 44 for 12 straight up please...DFH but likely not happening.
I got a feeling 12 will be back in 2023.
@Boris posted:Rewatch the end of the Packer/Lion game after the clock reads :00 -- Just watch Rodgers
I already erased it, I’ve always sided with you my friend, I can never rewatch a loss.
NYJ's picks will likely be lower in the round that GB's next year. Still RD1 but not like getting a top 10 pick.
would be an absolute fleecing if the trade included a first for this year, AR is a contingent retiree, year to year...if we got a 2nd this year and a conditional 1+2 next year based on if he plays in 2024...that makes more sense. but some owners...don't make sense...so anything is possible. if gutey can get a 1+2 in 2023 and a conditional 1+2 next year, that's a fleecing in my book.
After he has bashed Rodgers for years .... now he wants him playing for his beloved Cowboys?
@FLPACKER posted:I'm going on record saying that Rodgers retires ....or plays with Packers next season .... or gets traded.
And I say that you have better than a 50% chance that you are right.
Skip just wants clicks. He was click-bait when click-bait wasn't cool.
Yes, when everyone loved AR, he hated him. Same with LeBron.
12 on McAfee admitting if he comes back to the Packers there will have to be tweaks to his contract.
Tweeks like less of a cap hit or like a private lounge, reserved parking spot, hand signal coach? 
@bvan posted:
And when he inferred Aikman was gay.
Yep. His main argument was that so many people had seen gorgeous women throw themselves at Aikman all the time and Aikman just ignored them. Thus, if he wasn't using his status to have dozens of one-night stands every year, he must be gay.
Aaron Rodgers: "There's been a lot of fun dreaming about retiring as a Packer, because there's something really special about that. But if the competitive hole still needs to be satiated, and it's time to move on, I hope everybody would look at that with a lot of gratitude."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) January 24, 2023
I find it amazing so many are ready to move on from Rodgers who is the best QB this team has ever known. While this year was not his best year with new WRs, a hurt thumb, hurt ribs, and an offensive line constantly changing, he still was better than 2/3 of teh QBs in the league. Hopefully the Packers make the right call. I hope he retires as a Packer but I do have a feeling he will be traded. If he is then I see Seattle, Raiders, Jets, and Titans as most probable. Maybe even the Giants.
No Ragrets.
glad he was our QB. Many great moments. However, it is time. Actually last year was the time. Amazing Hall of Fame player. Came up short on Lombardi’s but that was an organizational failure.
@Floridarob posted:I find it amazing so many are ready to move on from Rodgers who is the best QB this team has ever known. While this year was not his best year with new WRs, a hurt thumb, hurt ribs, and an offensive line constantly changing, he still was better than 2/3 of teh QBs in the league. Hopefully the Packers make the right call. I hope he retires as a Packer but I do have a feeling he will be traded. If he is then I see Seattle, Raiders, Jets, and Titans as most probable. Maybe even the Giants.
I'm not necessarily wanting to move on from Rodgers. I'm wanting to move on from his contract. It hamstrings the club well after he's gone, and doesn't help the team go "all in" even if he stays.
Given the talk coming out now, and the fact that AR was so insistent to play thru a broken finger and injured ribs, him and the Packers had to know that while it was a huge deal he signed, it was really only a one year deal in reality. They even made it easy for them to trade him if they wanted to given the contract structure.
Or maybe we really know nothing and he's just playing hard to get. Who knows with him. Complicated fella.
Did someone force him to play with a hurt thumb?
@vitaflo posted:Aaron Rodgers: "There's been a lot of fun dreaming about retiring as a Packer, because there's something really special about that. But if the competitive hole still needs to be satiated, and it's time to move on, I hope everybody would look at that with a lot of gratitude."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) January 24, 2023
Fill that hole 12!
If they do trade Rodgers, whoever gets him is getting a very good deal because of the way the contract is structured. Actually, better than very good. It is absolutely an outstanding value to get Rodgers for only a 15 million dollar cap hit.
The compensation coming back should reflect that you are getting a guy who'd still likely get 40 million a year on the open market (if not more) for 15 million
The Jets are rumored to be hiring Hackett as the OC. I'd take Sauce Gardner and a second rounder for him.
Accounting tricks means Aaron Rodgers would count only $14.575 in 2023 and $15.666 million in 2024 for the team that trades for him according to http://overthecap.com GB will only trade him to an AFC team. Seems like a great fit for the NY Jets to me
@Chongo posted:12 on McAfee admitting if he comes back to the Packers there will have to be tweaks to his contract.
Interesting.
Tauscher said last week he was sure that the reason Rodgers dropped the comments about a trade possibility and listing his guys as a reason to come back is that Gutekunst had already told AR things can't be the same.
Now AR says he knows there would be "tweaks". Guy loves to play the media. I believe he knows exactly what GB / Gutekunst is willing to do if AR comes back, and now AR is trying to convince himself that it's the right situation so he looks good with it all.
Gutekunst has all the control. When Rodgers flinches, will we know it?