Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

LMAO Cowterd actually throwing 12 some props...and giving Packers org props for being "well run"

He must not know about the silos...

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

worst contract?

Imagine a world in which the Packers hired Andy Reid in 1999 instead of Ray Rhodes

— Tim Backes (@timbackes) January 21, 2023

Rhodes wasn't a bad contract in terms of setting the team back financially or cap wise. As we've discussed before, I think it was pretty clear that Andy Reid was Wolf's first choice. They would have had continuity and Reid would have had the personality to keep Favre somewhat accountable. They wanted to keep some of the offensive staff in Green Bay to keep a good thing going.

The problem was that Sherm Lewis was technically the offensive coordinator (even though Holmgren called the plays) and Reid was the QB coach. If they'd have hired Reid and bypassed Lewis, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton would have been picketing in front of Lambeau Field for months. That was right at the beginning of the Rooney Rule stuff. The underlying problem in hiring Lewis was that he was an alcoholic and, while he was OK in a supporting role, was going to crash badly as the guy in charge.

https://www.reddit.com/r/nfl/c...y_coaching_tree_why/

The only way Wolf could keep some continuity was to hire Ray Rhodes - who had been on Holmgren's staff before. Rhodes had just been fired as the Eagles head coach, but had a great deal of success when he started with the Eagles in 1995-1996 (he was just terrible when they guys he had to develop needed to play by 1998). Wolf figured he could hire Rhodes, keep Lewis as the OC and maintain continuity (while really just meant Favre would be comfortable), and that Rhodes could manage. The problem was that Rhodes ran the team with a country club atmoshere. That approach empowered Favre to do whatever he felt like for the next decade (Sherman could never really control him). Wolf fired Rhodes as fast as he could, but that year probably slammed Favre's Super Bowl window shut. With Reid, those backbreaking interceptions don't happen as often

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

worst contract?

Imagine a world in which the Packers hired Andy Reid in 1999 instead of Ray Rhodes

— Tim Backes (@timbackes) January 21, 2023

What they "Shouda Done" , "What they "ought a do" , "What they do DO", "What they don't do". I kinda don"t like this time of year. Except for the draft !   All we want is to raise the most Super Bowl trophies up in the air in the end.

@MP….You just made a compelling argument for why affirmative action is a joke.

You are also canceled.

@Chongo posted:

LMAO Cowterd actually throwing 12 some props...and giving Packers org props for being "well run"

He must not know about the silos...

Even with the silos thing I believe that the Packers are indeed one of the best ran organizations not only in the NFL but in sports in general.  Sure they will have the occasional down year but overwhelmingly in the last 30 years they have been consistent winners.   Many fans have become very spoiled over the years that is for sure.

@The Heckler posted:

Even with the silos thing I believe that the Packers are indeed one of the best ran organizations not only in the NFL but in sports in general.  Sure they will have the occasional down year but overwhelmingly in the last 30 years they have been consistent winners.   Many fans have become very spoiled over the years that is for sure.

FRONT OFFICE LOYALIST!

HE’S A WITCH…er, THEY’S A WITCH!

@MichiganPacker posted:

The only way Wolf could keep some continuity was to hire Ray Rhodes - who had been on Holmgren's staff before. Rhodes had just been fired as the Eagles head coach, but had a great deal of success when he started with the Eagles in 1995-1996 (he was just terrible when they guys he had to develop needed to play by 1998). Wolf figured he could hire Rhodes, keep Lewis as the OC and maintain continuity (while really just meant Favre would be comfortable), and that Rhodes could manage. The problem was that Rhodes ran the team with a country club atmoshere. That approach empowered Favre to do whatever he felt like for the next decade (Sherman could never really control him). Wolf fired Rhodes as fast as he could, but that year probably slammed Favre's Super Bowl window shut. With Reid, those backbreaking interceptions don't happen as often

Not to defend Rhodes as a HC, but his MVP QB played most of the season with an injured thumb. Favre probably shouldn’t have been playing at all but he had his consecutive games streak going and he wasn’t going to voluntarily sit. Rhodes should have sat him but easier said than done for a first year coach to bench Favre and end the streak.

I was pleasantly surprised when Wolf fired Rhodes after one 8-8 season. That took some balls, especially considering the heat he knew he was going to take because of the racial implications.

@D J posted:

@KenIngalls

Before Aaron Rodgers had his standoff with the Packers in 2021, he was originally under contract in 2022 & 2023 for $51M. Now, Aaron Rodgers is under contract in 2022 & 2023 for $101.5M, plus $49.3M in 2024. That's a net 1 year extension for $99.8 million - it's about the money

I hope you didn't need Ingalls to tell you this.

In terms of a realistic chance of winning the division and making a deep playoffs run, there is no real chance 12 would end up at the 7-10 last in the division Jets. Aside from playing the Bills and Dolphins twice, they also play the Eagles, Chiefs, and Cowboys. That's got another Favre disaster year written all over it.

It's a similar story for the 6-11 Raiders who play the Chiefs and Chargers twice, alongside the BIlls and the NFC North.

If 12 wants to go another 1-2 years and not being on a rebuild, and instead a reload, he'll stay with the Packers and their favorable schedule. The Bandwagon Franchise is in deep shit with their cap, old players, losing people to FA, and general awfulness, and the Lions are beatable after the Packers sleepwalked through a year's long process of the offence figuring out how to play together most of the time.

Aside from all of that, the chance of 12 beating the powerhouse QB AFC teams in the playoffs on the road with either the Jets or Raiders, or honestly any other AFC team, is essentially zero. He's not going there. He doesn't have the Favre vendetta; he wants to win another Super Bowl. He won't do it in the AFC.

Ron Wolf and Ted Thompson did their jobs well.  They didn’t care what the media thought of them, nor were they afraid to make the difficult or unpopular decisions.  

I think Gute has done OK in terms of roster management, but clearly he’s either incapable or unwilling to follow in TTs or Wolf’s footsteps.  He seems more interested in winning the PR battle than making decisions that are in the best interest of the team.  

That being said, the “triangle of authority” doesn’t allow him full decision rights like TT and Wolf had so I’m not sure it’s fair to throw all the shade in his direction.  In reality, MLF probably has too much power relative to his role and Gute probably doesn’t have enough.  The HC reporting to Murphy is some of the stupidest shit imaginable and Ball isn’t much different.  

As for Rodgers, everyone talks Raiders and Jets but to me I actually think the Titans or Colts or maybe even Dolphins are a better fit.

The Jets have talent, and maybe Hackett as OC is appealing, but that’s still a young team learning how to have success.   The Raiders make sense on paper, but that team is a dysfunctional mess and I think McDaniels is an idot.  

The Colts are probably a non starter because like the Texans they will probably take a QB in R1.

Tennessee checks all the boxes.  Miami is intriguing because of how explosive that offense is and their head coach is a mad scientist.   Tua’s health is a real concern though.  

As for divisional powers,  I think the AFC East is really overrated.  Unless Josh Allen can learn how to make better decisions and they get an offensive minded mentor for him that team is the AFC version of the Vikings.   I also don’t trust the Jets or Patriots.  

@NumberThree posted:

In terms of a realistic chance of winning the division and making a deep playoffs run, there is no real chance 12 would end up at the 7-10 last in the division Jets. Aside from playing the Bills and Dolphins twice, they also play the Eagles, Chiefs, and Cowboys. That's got another Favre disaster year written all over it.

Things change year to year.  Hell the Jags were 3-14 last year and won their division this year and got to the divisional round.  Most of the Jets problems were their horrible QB play.  They also have two rookies as finalists for Rookie of the Year this year.  The question isn't what they did this year, it's what their trajectory is next year.

And besides Miami might be in play for a trade if they consider Tua done because of all the concussions.

@Tschmack posted:

The Colts are probably a non starter because like the Texans they will probably take a QB in R1.

Tennessee checks all the boxes.  Miami is intriguing because of how explosive that offense is and their head coach is a mad scientist.   Tua’s health is a real concern though.

Colts don't have a coach and I wouldn't have much faith in Irsay's selection abilities.

Miami doesn't have a 1st round pick, so your compensation is later half of 2nd round at best.

Tennessee is in cap hell (they're still have $8.4m in dead cap for Julio Jones this year).  They'd have to cut Tannehill just to get under the cap at all.

Pats could be a dark horse cuz AR loves BB, they have the picks to give and have a TON of cap space.

if he stays, what he 'should' do if he cared about legacy and all that BS is to re-work the deal and take less to play this year and for the next 2...that never seems to be talked about.  he will re-work the deal if it works for him, ie more $$...he doesn't like to say that though...interesting...he wants to stay, if they want him, well you got them bent over the kitchen sink bub, so help a brother out.  not like you need the $...that would cement legacies, 36 talks about this all the time, very true.

@vitaflo posted:

Things change year to year.  Hell the Jags were 3-14 last year and won their division this year and got to the divisional round.  Most of the Jets problems were their horrible QB play.  They also have two rookies as finalists for Rookie of the Year this year.  The question isn't what they did this year, it's what their trajectory is next year.

And besides Miami might be in play for a trade if they consider Tua done because of all the concussions.

Playing QB for the Jets has the added advantage of less pressure related to expectations. The Jets haven't made the playoffs in 12 years. If Rodgers goes to the Jets and they even get to the playoffs, that would be considered a win. If they win a playoff game, you'll get the credit for helping drive a huge turnaround.

Compare that to going to the Titans. They've made the playoffs the previous 3 years before this. You almost have to get to at least the AFC title game to be considered successful there.

@Herschel posted:

Or spend another season without a reliable receiver. A great QB can cover a lot of warts, which we’ve seen for most of 30 years, but the level of suck in the receiver room this year was unparalleled among competitive teams.

Hard to condemn them to suckitude if the qb routinely ignores open receivers and throws only to his "trustees".

And with Salah being defensive minded it gives Rodgers the freedom to do as he wants on game day.

@RochNyFan posted:

Hard to condemn them to suckitude if the qb routinely ignores open receivers and throws only to his "trustees".

Add in the refusal to come to OTAs and work with them.    Of course Hershel will say that is not his responsibility.

@GBFanForLife posted:

The level of dumbfuckery at the QB position having a QB play with a broken thumb on his throwing hand.

Rodgers demanded it, and LaFleur folded like a cheap tent. #12 knew he needed to rest it, but he couldn't risk losing his job to Love. If he still had Brett Hundley backing him up, he would have had no issue resting it.

@Pack-Man posted:

Rodgers demanded it, and LaFleur folded like a cheap tent. #12 knew he needed to rest it, but he couldn't risk losing his job to Love. If he still had Brett Hundley backing him up, he would have had no issue resting it.

That right there tells you what Rodgers thinks of Love's potential.

Battle of the Peters...

King says if a trade comes it won't be till after June 1 for cap reasons.

Bukowski says a trade comes by March 15th.

@13X posted:

RochNyFanMember

Hard to condemn them to suckitude if the qb routinely ignores open receivers and throws only to his "trustees".

Can you provide an example of this happening? 

@Chongo posted:

Battle of the Peters...

King says if a trade comes it won't be till after June 1 for cap reasons.

Bukowski says a trade comes by March 15th.

Trade has to come before free agency. Having Rodgers on a team is gonna make guys want to sign. See Brady at TB.

The June 1 stuff is just from people who don’t understand our cap situation and the fact that we can eat his dead cap money this year without much problem.

@YATittle posted:

That right there tells you what Rodgers thinks of Love's potential.

Love could be great, sure. Rodgers wasn't willing to take a chance. Favre did the same thing (played many games with injuries when he should have sat), even when he knew the backup was horrible. That MNF game against the Titans in 2004 is a great example. Favre had a bad concussion against the Giants the week before, and he played like garbage against a bad 5-11 Titans team. Probably didn't do his brain any favors by playing, either. Must have been scared of losing his job to Superstar Craig Nall.

It’s in Rodgers and the Packers interests to trade as soon as possible.  The longer you wait, the less suitors will be around given all the other alternatives available at the QB position.  

This is why my ears perked up when I heard him say he would be open to reworking his deal.   To make it work (best) for a trade now, in reality he and the team need to rework it.  You can’t wait until June 1.

The other factor is if I’m GB I want that draft compensation to be front loaded (this year) so they can effectively reload as soon as possible. Plus, you need to consider free agency (comings and goings) for both the Packers and where he could end up.

@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:

worst contract?

Imagine a world in which the Packers hired Andy Reid in 1999 instead of Ray Rhodes

— Tim Backes (@timbackes) January 21, 2023

The Packers fired Rhodes after going 8-8, for the season. What's our record this past season?

@mrtundra posted:

The Packers fired Rhodes after going 8-8, for the season. What's our record this past season?

I think the difference here is that Holmgren led the Pack to double digit wins his last 4 years as coach before he made the decision to go to Seattle.  Rhodes took over and everything about the team looked significantly worse under his leadership.  He probably deserved another year to try to turn it around but Wolf made the decision to move on thinking things were going to get worse.

At least LaFleur had 3 double digit win seasons in his recent past as coach.  He had a bad year, but his track record deserves him another year in my opinion.

I remember reading that Rhodes was playing dominoes and yukking it up with the players in the locker room after they lost that heartbreaker to Carolina (which ended up keeping them out of the playoffs). That was supposedly the last nail in his coffin. Really pissed off Ron Wolf and the rest of the front office.

People that play dominoes piss me off too

Jets are hiring Hackett as OC. Was that the first step in getting AR to the Jets?

No.

The next step is dick pictures to Jenn Sturger.

@Floridarob posted:

Jets are hiring Hackett as OC. Was that the first step in getting AR to the Jets?

Didn’t get him to Denver

@vitaflo posted:

Things change year to year.  Hell the Jags were 3-14 last year and won their division this year and got to the divisional round.  Most of the Jets problems were their horrible QB play.  They also have two rookies as finalists for Rookie of the Year this year.  The question isn't what they did this year, it's what their trajectory is next year.

I think both Wilson and Gardener won OROY and DROY.*

That was from PFWA.  Apparently there are other OROY and DROY awards.

Two questions arise from the Hackett hire: are the Packers more interested in a possible trade than they were a year ago and is Woody Johnson prepared to give up a king's ransom? Reporting suggests the answer to both is yes.

@michiganjoe posted:

Two questions arise from the Hackett hire: are the Packers more interested in a possible trade than they were a year ago and is Woody Johnson prepared to give up a king's ransom? Reporting suggests the answer to both is yes.

The reports are full of shit.  Here's the exact quote from this "report" (Peter King):

"my guess is the Pack would want at least two first-round picks. The Woody Johnson Jets ... would happily pay that freight, I’d guess"

People are just making shit up and and it gets reported as gospel.  Nobody knows nothin'.

@Pack-Man posted:

Rodgers demanded it, and LaFleur folded like a cheap tent. #12 knew he needed to rest it, but he couldn't risk losing his job to Love. If he still had Brett Hundley backing him up, he would have had no issue resting it.

You guys just make shit up. 😂😂😂