Rodgers on Pat M today:
According to Aaron Rodgers, the #Packers have been having conversations that don't involve him...
— Eli Berkovits (@BookOfEli_NFL) January 31, 2023
"Sounds like there's already conversations going on that don't involve me... Which is interesting."
AJ Hawk asked AR "what characteristics make a good coach" Without hesitation he said "one guy that I would endorse if anyone called me is Rich Bisaccia, he is not worried about being liked, he strives to be respected, which leads to accountability" ..... this is exactly what we have questioned with MLF and Barry.
12 talked about being respected over being liked is the leadership style he strives for personally...and I would assume that goes for what he looks for in people who lead him.
No doubt in my mind he likes MLF. Wouldn't bet much on if he respects him.
BFF
Sean Payton to the Broncos.
@PackLandVA posted:Zach Wilson had the lowest QBR of any starting QB in the entire NFL (of 33 “qualified” QBs). Wilson and Flacco make it a trifecta of the three lowest QBRs if they had a “qualified” number of starts.
If you can’t equate this to the Jets not having “a thrower”, maybe the Badgers or Brewers is a better suited forum for you.
Maybe they don't have many weapons outside a rookie receiver who had 1100 yards receiving. But some people insist that they do; I call bullshit on that.
He will announce he is coming back or leak some thing a day or two before the Super Bowl.
Or directly after. Has to dominate the conversations.
The NFL should scrap the half time show and cue up a I’m taking my talents interview with AR…..ratings gold
@D J posted:Maybe they don't have many weapons outside a rookie receiver who had 1100 yards receiving. But some people insist that they do; I call bullshit on that.
Jets must think they don’t have a thrower either since they started the year with Wilson, then replaced him with White, and then Flacco. And then made their #1 pick from just a couple of years ago inactive when he was healthy. And they seem to be actively looking for “the missing piece” veteran QB. You don’t go through three QBs in a season and bench your #1 pick two years removed if the other offensive talents are the problem. You keep “calling bullshit” as you clearly are adept in bullshit.
My prediction is AR gets traded this year and Bakhtiari goes with him in the trade. Jenkins gets moved to left tackle and the packers draft a new right tackle in the draft. my first thought is they are traded to vegas so AR reunites with Davante. So let it be written so let it be done.
@H5 posted:BREAKING: A non-league source says Aaron Rodgers will return, play for the Packers, play elsewhere, go on a trip never to be found again, all while Jordan Love will be extended, or traded, or start dating Billie Eilish.
Well, Billie would definitely fit the trajectory where each iteration gets weirder hair and bigger tits.
@H5 posted:BREAKING: A non-league source says Aaron Rodgers will return, play for the Packers, play elsewhere, go on a trip never to be found again, all while Jordan Love will be extended, or traded, or start dating Billie Eilish.
Source? Link?
Sounds like Rodgers is playing chicken with the Packers. If the NFL rumor mill says the Packers have worked out a trade with X team and Rodgers doesn't want to play there he retires. If he likes the place he will not retire. If he wants to stay with the Pack he could rewrite his contract. If he won't rewrite he retires.
@PackLandVA posted:Jets must think they don’t have a thrower either since they started the year with Wilson, then replaced him with White, and then Flacco. And then made their #1 pick from just a couple of years ago inactive when he was healthy. And they seem to be actively looking for “the missing piece” veteran QB. You don’t go through three QBs in a season and bench your #1 pick two years removed if the other offensive talents are the problem. You keep “calling bullshit” as you clearly are adept in bullshit.
The point of my post was that they obviously do not have a lot of weapons as one or two posters insisted.
Hell, the QBs they do have were able to get 1100 yards out of a rookie receiver yet the team managed just 15 points in the last 3 games. I doubt AR will make that sow's ear offense into a silk purse. But if they pay up, they can have him, but will AR want them looking over their offensive landscape and lack of talent around him should he go there?
@Chongo posted:12 talked about being respected over being liked is the leadership style he strives for personally...and I would assume that goes for what he looks for in people who lead him.
Unless they're a GM. Then they need to be extra sensitive to all the players' needs and feelings and extra appreciative of all their sacrifices. 12 doesn't ever want to be treated the way he treats others. The GM needs to make sure they surround the gifted and talented QB with a circle of friendship and his favorite position coach. The organization did it all for him and still he kvetches.
Mike McCarthy respected the players more than most coaches ever will. Took extraordinary circumstances for him to ever call a player out from the podium and when he did you can be sure he was at the end of his rope and it was addressed in private multiple times (Eddie Lacy comes to mind). I remember when 12 thought it was funny to lift MM's shirt from behind and show his belly in front of the team to mock him. Talk is cheap and 12 is full of it when it comes to respect.
He's showed his ass more than once during his time in GB. It gets old hearing him whine about needing his glue guys. F**ker is making $50+ million a year. They're paying you generational wealth to be all of the glue. Can't help but wonder how many more championships we'd have if he focused more on maximizing his own leadership and responsibilities instead of dogging everyone else's.
@PackLandVA posted:Source? Link?
Probably Skip Bayless.
Rumors of Bakh being released.
The whole idea of Rodgers getting his knickers in a twist because the FO is having "conversations going on that don't involve me" is ludicrous. Every FO has conversations about every player, and contracts, etc., at the end of every year. And to be in the situation Rodgers is in? Of course, conversations will be had, and they don't all have to involve his royal highness sitting in on them. The FO has to plan for whatever Rodgers is going to do, whatever they want to do, what other teams may do, etc. To not have those conversations without him would be negligent. That's the type of diva comment that I'm tired of hearing from Rodgers.
Ditto
The "they're having conversations without me" sounds a little like "they didn't inform me they were gonna pick a QB before they did".
He expects his rookie WRs to read his mind but wants the FO to coddle him. It kinda sounds like he's getting a taste of his own medicine and he doesn't like it.
AR wants to be able to portray himself as the good guy in this sordid mess regardless of how it plays out. See his claims of the organization having discussions behind his back as just part of the strategy.
We may be reading into just how upset he is, but irregardlesly, the front office can’t involve him because he would spill the beans immediately
@Floridarob posted:My prediction is AR gets traded this year and Bakhtiari goes with him in the trade. Jenkins gets moved to left tackle and the packers draft a new right tackle in the draft. my first thought is they are traded to vegas so AR reunites with Davante. So let it be written so let it be done.
I'm thinking Cobb, and maybe Lewis, goes with Rodgers and Bakh, in that deal, too. This is the way.
It'd be tough sending Bakh. He's still a damn good LT and you'd only save $5m against the cap. They'd have to get something good for him - no less than the high second 2nd, ideally a late 1st.
With Brady retiring, that makes a trade for Rodgers more lucrative. I could easily see the Raiders and Jets bidding each other up. After Rodgers, teams are looking at QBs like Daniel Jones, Geno Smith, Jimmy G, and Baker Mayfield. Jones and Geno likely stay where they're at. Jimmy G is coming off an injury and I think the league is done with Baker as a starter. Starting QB market is limited.
why wouldn't the bucs be a good landing spot? they are a vet team...need a qb now...
The only good landing spot is where he agrees to go.
Brady "retiring" helps the Packers with a Rodgers trade for a couple of reasons.
12 is not retiring the same year as Brady...wouldn't want to go into HOF same year...not the only reason, but a factor I think that means 12 will want to play at least one more year for someone.
So now there are 3 potential teams in for Rodgers...Vegas, NYJ and Tampa.
SF doesn't have the draft capital to trade for him.
DFH, Vegas and NYJ get into a bidding war and give a little more than they want to to get him...although McDingDing may figure Jimmy G is good enough, and will cost less to get.
@Chongo posted:Brady "retiring" helps the Packers with a Rodgers trade for a couple of reasons.
12 is not retiring the same year as Brady...wouldn't want to go into HOF same year...not the only reason, but a factor I think that means 12 will want to play at least one more year for someone.
So now there are 3 potential teams in for Rodgers...Vegas, NYJ and Tampa.
SF doesn't have the draft capital to trade for him.
DFH, Vegas and NYJ get into a bidding war and give a little more than they want to to get him...although McDingDing may figure Jimmy G is good enough, and will cost less to get.
The only place I could see Rodgers being traded to now is Tampa, but rumorville says Gute is a no-go on any NFC trades... though I would like to see a bid for Purdy if SF was actually possible, but they have no draft capital to add into a potential trade deal. Perhaps if SF agreed to take Rodgers and convert his salary to a signing bonus to absorb the Packers cap hit... hmm... anyway. Pixy dust and unicorn farts.
There is zero chance he's going to the Jets or Raiders... or anyone in the AFC for that matter because at best he'd be on a 6 or 7 seed playoffs team that will get destroyed. There is no team in the AFC that needs a QB right now that he could be on that can take out the Chiefs, Bills, Bengals, or Chargers.
Raiders will probably be 0-4 against the Chargers/Chiefs regardless of whether Rodgers is there. And the Jets will probably be 1-3 against the Bills/Dolphins. He's not going to do that.
If he wants to win a division and have a legitimate playoffs push, it's with the Packers.
Rodgers is our guy. He had a year to "teach" the receivers what playing in the NFL is like. Watson stepped up and has speed. Build on it and win the division. Go Pack Go.
I’m with you, if he wants to stay in GB and wants to go all in do everything to make that happen. Things changed in the last few days NFC wise. Philly is the clear favorite going forward but IMO the rest of the conference is just OK.
Need some savvy FO work, money wise, cap and draft.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:We may be reading into just how upset he is, but irregardlesly…..
I just died inside.
Hyperbole
@Pikes Peak posted:I’m with you, if he wants to stay in GB and wants to go all in do everything to make that happen. Things changed in the last few days NFC wise. Philly is the clear favorite going forward but IMO the rest of the conference is just OK.
Need some savvy FO work, money wise, cap and draft.
See 2020. See 2021. The Packers did just that. Went all in. Signed his BFF's like Cobb. Found ways to keep Campbell, Douglas. Extended Jones and Alexander. Hung onto Lewis. Oh, and signed Rodgers to a mega deal allowing him to have a choke hold on the franchise.
Rodgers has the #1 seed throughout. The team failed and Rodgers played nothing like the highest paid player in the league and basically shit the bed. See also 2022, playing at home against the Lions. Rodgers with a 38.7 TQB rating and threw what should have been 2 INT's in the game.
There is ZERO reason to pay him 60 million dollars to know how this ends in '23. None. The roster, due to his contract, will be less talented than the 2020-2021 teams. They aren't getting past the Eagles or 49ers. And probably not past a vastly improved Lions team either.
Rip the band aid off.
Well, there’s that
@packerboi posted:See 2020. See 2021. The Packers did just that. Went all in. Signed his BFF's like Cobb. Found ways to keep Campbell, Douglas. Extended Jones and Alexander. Hung onto Lewis. Oh, and signed Rodgers to a mega deal allowing him to have a choke hold on the franchise.
Rodgers has the #1 seed throughout. The team failed and Rodgers played nothing like the highest paid player in the league and basically shit the bed. See also 2022, playing at home against the Lions. Rodgers with a 38.7 TQB rating and threw what should have been 2 INT's in the game.
There is ZERO reason to pay him 60 million dollars to know how this ends in '23. None. The roster, due to his contract, will be less talented than the 2020-2021 teams. They aren't getting past the Eagles or 49ers. And probably not past a vastly improved Lions team either.
Rip the band aid off.
Except they didn't go all. As we've collectively debated at lot on this board, they tried to have it both ways - going all in and planning for the future.
They used their entire 2020 draft (at least rounds 1-4) to pick a bunch of guys that didn't contribute at all that year and didn't really need the following years. A QB that hasn't played, a 3rd string (and now, 2nd string RB), and a TE that plays like a 6th round pick.
Then, this last off-season they played the long game by trading Adams for picks (rather than trying to keep hiim or getting at least one established veteran back) but signed Rodgers to a monster extension and then surrounded him with rookie (or crappy returning WRs).
There seems to be no consistent plan.
Now, they've created a situation where they won't likely benefit as much from the Love pick even if he's good. If he plays this year and looks promising, they'll have to give him a monster extension or tie him up with some kind of tag. You get the most benefit from a young QB in Years 2-5 (where Burrow and Hurts are now). They have some experience and work through the transition to the NFL but still are on rookied deals.
I think Gute better forget about where he trades Rodgers and get as much as he can, even if that means an NFC team. The biggest factor is Rodgers accepting the trade destination instead of retiring. Don't count the Raiders out. They blew a bunch of big leads last year and could have easily won a double digit number of games. Now factor in west coast location, Adams is there, they'll probably add Cobb if that's something Rodgers wants, maybe even Bak. By dumping Carr, who's going to the Pro Bowl, they've shown they want nothing but an elite QB and their first choice, Brady, is out of the picture. Physically Rodgers might not be elite anymore but he's like a coach on the field. The Raiders have one of the top TEs in the game, arguably the top WR, and the NFLs leading rusher. There's a lot for Rodgers to like.
IF any trade happens involving Rodgers, the first priority has to be protection, so teams that already have an established, effective OL are at the front of the line.
Next has to be RB(s) that can pick up the blitz, catch the ball out of the backfield, and average between 4 and 5 yards per rush. A strong TE is closely related for blocking responsibilities, and if they are skilled at receiving, that doubles the value.
And lastly, there has to be competent WRs and at least one true weapon.
All the teams that are rumored to be "in the mix" fail at at least one of those positions, and some are closer than others to filling all of them.
Oddly enough, that sounds just like Green Bay.
Close on the OL, RBs are nailed, need a little help at TE, and close on WRs.
Does Rodgers’ contract have a clause that allows him the right to approve of a team he’s traded to?
