Ordinarily, the "rule" about trading players within the conference applies.
But how valid is it with Rodgers? If the expectation is he plays at least 1 or 2 years, he could go to a conference team we wouldn't play for another 2-3 years.
Anybody seeing a MM/ARod reunion in DallAss?
@MichiganPacker posted:Now, they've created a situation where they won't likely benefit as much from the Love pick even if he's good. If he plays this year and looks promising, they'll have to give him a monster extension or tie him up with some kind of tag. You get the most benefit from a young QB in Years 2-5 (where Burrow and Hurts are now). They have some experience and work through the transition to the NFL but still are on rookied deals.
Gute wanted his cake and to eat it too. That's what he thought he'd do by hanging onto Love and bowing down to Rodgers. Agree, they didn't go as all in as other teams have (see the Bucs/Rams) but those teams also didn't have to pony up playing a QB 50 million a year either
That hampered the Packers significantly. What pisses me off about Rodgers is he sat there wagging his finger at the podium talking about the Packers front office allowing guys like Corey Linsley to walk but then doesnt sign a contract that would give Gute and Ball the ability to do just that. In his own way, Rodgers also wanted it both ways too.
@Timmy! posted:Ordinarily, the "rule" about trading players within the conference applies.
But how valid is it with Rodgers? If the expectation is he plays at least 1 or 2 years, he could go to a conference team we wouldn't play for another 2-3 years.
Anybody seeing a MM/ARod reunion in DallAss?
If I was Gute I would avoid a trade with an NFC team at all costs. We all know if AR gets a chip on his shoulder he would love nothing more than to beat GB. At least if he is traded to an AFC team he might have to face him once in if they meet in the playoffs it would be for the title.
I don't think there will be a Dallas reunion because they are stilling paying Dak huge money and they would have to get rid of him and still fit 12 within the cap. But, Jerruh probably would want to make the huge splash move and maybe make a move to get him.
@packerboi posted:Gute wanted his cake and to eat it too.
Rodgers also wanted it both ways too.
Gute and MLF were rewarded with contract extensions last year based in no small part upon Rodgers' MVP-level play. (It certainly was not due to Gute's stellar defensive picks or MLF's wonderful Defensive and Special Teams Coordinators).
Rodgers also got a new, very lucrative, extension last year that allowed him to dictate his future with the organization rather than vice verse.
After overseeing the Gute, MLF, and Rodgers extensions last year, Murph declared he would retire in 3 years.
Everyone involved, President-GM-Head Coach-QB1, have been (financial) winners and ensured their own personal security.
Isn't that all we can ask for as fans?
@Timmy! posted:Ordinarily, the "rule" about trading players within the conference applies.
But how valid is it with Rodgers? If the expectation is he plays at least 1 or 2 years, he could go to a conference team we wouldn't play for another 2-3 years.
Anybody seeing a MM/ARod reunion in DallAss?
A lot of people felt Rodgers was behind MM getting fired. If he did end up in Dallas it would certainly dispel that rumor.
Murphy had to retire at 70 and that announcement wasn't a surprise. Any time you have a disappointing season you can make the case that the team didn't do enough. I'd characterize it as a series of very poor decisions rather than a refusal to go "all-in".
I think we'll be looking back at not trading Rodgers to Denver last season as that "what could have been" opportunity. And Wilson bombed so bad it has to make teams reluctant to give up anything close to that for Rodgers.
@PackerRick posted:I think we'll be looking back at not trading Rodgers to Denver last season as that "what could have been" opportunity. And Wilson bombed so bad it has to make teams reluctant to give up anything close to that for Rodgers.
Wilson hasn't been the same QB for years and years. Wheels came off that truck a long time ago.
Plenty of owners will see Rodgers as a guy 1 year removed from back-to-back MVP's who broke his thumb and had rookies to throw to along with one of the worst TE groups in the NFL. They also know if traded, Rodgers made a career on proving others wrong. In this case, it will be GB and showing the Packers he's still that guy
@SteveLuke posted:Isn't that all we can ask for as fans?
That really depends on what you want out of life.
@Timmy! posted:Ordinarily, the "rule" about trading players within the conference applies.
But how valid is it with Rodgers? If the expectation is he plays at least 1 or 2 years, he could go to a conference team we wouldn't play for another 2-3 years.
Anybody seeing a MM/ARod reunion in DallAss?
Agree. What is the fear of trading Rodgers to the NFC? He’s going to play 1-3 years more. His field of vision has been declining. He doesn’t scramble/run anymore. And who among Packer fans expects Love to win the NFC in his first year. I’d be more than happy if he wins 10-11 games in his first year as a starter. Get the best deal you can in either conference and move on.
Right. So what if Rodgers plays 1 game against GB and beats them. The Packers aren't going to be fighting for a Division title or no.1 seed next year anyway
@GreenBayLA posted:I don't think so but if he is traded to Texans etc. he can just refuse to play or retire.
He can technically play hardball to force the Packers to pay him the 60 mil by refusing all trade destinations. If he does I am leaning towards cutting him. Seriously! He can become a free agent and sign with the Vikings. I don't care. It is really time to move on.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:We may be reading into just how upset he is, but irregardlesly, the front office can’t involve him because he would spill the beans immediately
I would normally agree with you but this is the same guy who said he technically never said he was vaccinated because he said he was "immunized". He's also gone on McAfee many times and said things like "if you listened to what I actually said...". He doesn't have diarrhea of the mouth like Favre did. Everything he says is for a very specific reason.
@Timmy! posted:Ordinarily, the "rule" about trading players within the conference applies.
But how valid is it with Rodgers? If the expectation is he plays at least 1 or 2 years, he could go to a conference team we wouldn't play for another 2-3 years.
Anybody seeing a MM/ARod reunion in DallAss?
100% depends on what the offer is. If Jerruh is willing to give us two 1sts and two 2nds or something outlandish and the best an AFC team like the Jets will give is one 1st, then if Gute doesn't do the trade with Dallas he should be brought out behind Kroll's and shot.
@Timmy! posted:Ordinarily, the "rule" about trading players within the conference applies.
But how valid is it with Rodgers? If the expectation is he plays at least 1 or 2 years, he could go to a conference team we wouldn't play for another 2-3 years.
Anybody seeing a MM/ARod reunion in DallAss?
I've never understood that rule & if I were ever in charge, I can't imagine not taking the best offer for my team moving forward.
@vitaflo posted:....... then if Gute doesn't do the trade with Dallas he should be brought out behind Kroll's and shot.
I am ok with that as long as Kroll's don't invent the "Gute Burger".
@FinnLander posted:I've never understood that rule (about NOT trading players WITHIN the same conference) & if I were ever in charge, I can't imagine not taking the best offer for my team moving forward.
KC traded Tyreek Hill within the AFC to the Dolphins last offseason in order to maximize their return on a huge asset.
Apparently the Chiefs are not smart enough to follow the risk-averse "rules" of the more successful franchises.
@Floridarob posted:My prediction is AR gets traded this year and Bakhtiari goes with him in the trade. Jenkins gets moved to left tackle and the packers draft a new right tackle in the draft. my first thought is they are traded to vegas so AR reunites with Davante. So let it be written so let it be done.
My prediction is that Minnesota and Chicago will still suck.
Why is so many afraid to see Rodgers on a NFC team? It will only be for 2 years at the most, more likely 1 year. The decline in his play was very evident this year and matter how much he says he can play at a MVP level it ain't happening. Talk all you want about Rodgers having a chip on his shoulder, don't you think Love would like nothing better than beating Rodgers? Love may have a bigger chip.
I think the majority at x4 seem to not care where he’s traded, but whether to keep him or deal him at all polls a bit closer. I doubt he will retire this season.
That chip got him the same number Lombardis as Dilfer.
Meaningless.
Only, there’s three talking points nobody wants to look at or discuss, that will prevent Rodgers from being traded to New York.
1. Jets’ Offensive Line
Have you seen the current Jets’ offensive line and depth chart?
New York has seven offensive linemen under contract for 2023, and four of them are coming off an injury list.
One Mississippi…
Not exactly what a 39-year-old QB with a lot of mileage on the treads wants to see.
All that’s left for offensive tackles under contract are Mekhi Becton, Max Mitchell and Duane Brown.
All that’s left for guards under contract are Laken Tomlinson, Alijah Vera-Tucker, Dru Samia, and Chris Glaser.
No centers are signed for 2023.
The offensive tackle situation is atrocious.
Nobody in their right minds would want to sign up to play with one offensive tackle who hasn’t played in two years (Becton), one who has a serious blood clot issue (Mitchell), and the other who’s nearly as old as Rodgers (Brown).
That’s all the Jets have.
Offensive tackle George Fant is an unrestricted free agent, as well as center Connor McGovern.
All the other backups are free agents too, including guard Nate Herbig.
I’m sure Rodgers wants to go somewhere where he might get at least two Mississippi’s.
That’s not New York.
Team General Manager Joe Douglas has left the offensive line cupboard bare.
2. Salary Cap Woes
The Jets are over the cap currently by close to $2.7 million dollars ($2,674,607).
Prior to last season, Rodgers signed a new 3-year, $150 million dollar contract extension with Green Bay.
I’m no mathematician, but the math doesn’t add up here.
How could the Jets take on Rodgers contract and stay compliant to the NFL’s salary cap?
You’re guess is as good as mine.
There are people who say just restructure deals and cut cap heavy players from the roster, but it’s not that easy, because those larger cap number players also have to be replaced.
New York also has another 24 players who played with the team last season, who represent roughly $54 million in 2022 salary dollars.
Even if the Jets don’t bring some or any of them back, they will still have to find suitable replacements that will probably equal as much, if not more than $54 million on the 2023 salary cap.
That’s not counting the anticipated addition of Rodgers' possible $31 million 2023 cap number.
Even if the Jets trimmed Brown from the offensive line and linebacker C.J. Mosley, wide receiver Corey Davis, safety Jordan Whitehead and defensive ends John Franklin-Myers and Carl Lawson (the most cap friendly possible cuts), that would only clear $62 million in cap space. That would barely cover the salaries of the 24 Jets’ free agents with that money.
That’s not taking into consideration the monster contract extension Jets’ star defensive tackle Quinnen Williams is seeking.
Plus, there’s the $3.3 million allotted for the rookie draft class.
There’s not enough cap space to go around.
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@SteveLuke posted:KC traded Tyreek Hill within the AFC to the Dolphins last offseason in order to maximize their return on a huge asset.
Apparently the Chiefs are not smart enough to follow the risk-averse "rules" of the more successful franchises.
Or Detroit sending Stafford to LA. Sure the Rams won the SB the next year, but Det got two 1sts and a 3rd plus Goff. We can laugh at Goff but he almost got them to the playoffs this year. And that 1st round pick has Det picking 6th overall this year.
Detroit looks to be on the rise, certainly more than LA who don't have a 1st round pick this year (or last year) and have 5 (!) players with a cap hit over $20m this year. Detroit is building for a long term future and LA built for one year.
@D J posted:2. Salary Cap Woes
The Jets are over the cap currently by close to $2.7 million dollars ($2,674,607).
Prior to last season, Rodgers signed a new 3-year, $150 million dollar contract extension with Green Bay.
I’m no mathematician, but the math doesn’t add up here.
That’s not counting the anticipated addition of Rodgers' possible $31 million 2023 cap number.
The cap number for Rodgers on a new team would be $16m not $31m. $31m is what his cap number is if he plays for us, not a different team. And the Jets are only $1m over the cap, not $2.7m. My guess is this guy doesn't really understand the structure of Rodgers contract.
In any case, if he thinks the Jets have cap issues, what does he think of the Packers being $16.4m over the cap currently?
@Pikes Peak posted:Why would anyone laugh at Goff.
Lots of people thought Goff was a bust. It's why LA gave up a kings ransom plus Goff in the trade. Like how Seattle got Drew Lock plus a haul of picks from the Broncos in the Russel Wilson trade.
If you trade him, trade him to the highest bidder. Moronic to take any bidders out of the room at the auction
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:If you trade him, trade him to the highest bidder. Moronic to take any bidders out of the room at the auction
What if Da Bears offer the most?
12 said himself the contract as it sits would have to be changed - no matter what happens - to the packers that goes form worse to down right illegal - adding dead cap years and what not - to a different team they may do something else…maybe he goes to minicamps who knows
@D J posted:What if Da Bears offer the most?
trade him (as long as Fields isn't part of the return package)
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:trade him (as long as Fields isn't part of the return package)
Soldier or Justin?
AR did a lot if 3rd person talk recently, so him (as the owner of the Bears) trading for himself makes sense.
Everything I can find says the Packers will play the NFCW and AFCS in 2024, and the NFCE and AFCN in 2025.
I thought it would be 2026 (NFCE) because of the 3-year rotation, but I guess that's wrong?
Packers Must Weigh Rodgers’ Big-Game Failures
Really good piece from Huber about why I enthusiastically support moving on- AR repeatedly coming up small in big moments.
