@Chongo posted:Battle of the Peters...
King says if a trade comes it won't be till after June 1 for cap reasons.
Bukowski says a trade comes by March 15th.
If a trade happens they'll probably both technically be right. I would assume the trade would be agreed to well before the draft but might not be executed until after June 1 for cap reasons.
“I don’t talk in cryptic terms”
“I’m not egomaniacal”
Yeah, OK dude
@Pakrz posted:You guys just make shit up. 😂😂😂
I didn't make anything up. I've read it many times over the years.
Desmond Howard commented about it to the media:
"As a head coach ... he's more concerned with playing dominoes with the guys than managing the clock against Carolina. - Desmond Howard, former Packers wide receiver, on fired Coach Ray Rhodes"
https://www.orlandosentinel.co...001180134-story.html
Donald Driver also said in his autobiography that Rhodes seemed to spend more time playing cards and domonoes in the locker room with the players than he did working on gameplans.
The reason the Seahawks got as much as they did was Denver was desperate and there weren’t many other good options other than Russ.
There is literally no scenario the Packers will get as much or even close to what Seattle got back in return if they trade 12.
Could that be a couple of 1s? Maybe, but I think a 1 and a 3 or 1 and a conditional pick or player makes a lot more sense. Personally, if I were just a 1 I would probably make that deal.
Rodgers has 2-3 years left, max. Wilson has 5-6 years left, max. That matters when talking about compensation. Just hard to compare.
I'd go in asking for 2 firsts, hoping to settle on a first in 2023 and a third in 2024. I'd make the deal for less though. It's not Rodgers, it's offloading that contract. Like the NBA a decade ago - poor contracts become an anchor on the franchise. Rodgers contract is looking like just that.
@michiganjoe posted:Two questions arise from the Hackett hire: are the Packers more interested in a possible trade than they were a year ago and is Woody Johnson prepared to give up a king's ransom? Reporting suggests the answer to both is yes.
I would take the court jester's ransom!
@Pack-Man posted:I didn't make anything up. I've read it many times over the years.
Desmond Howard commented about it to the media:
"As a head coach ... he's more concerned with playing dominoes with the guys than managing the clock against Carolina. - Desmond Howard, former Packers wide receiver, on fired Coach Ray Rhodes"
https://www.orlandosentinel.co...001180134-story.html
Donald Driver also said in his autobiography that Rhodes seemed to spend more time playing cards and domonoes in the locker room with the players than he did working on gameplans.
What does any of that have to do with the your original post that I responded to? (Copied below)
@Pack-Man posted:Rodgers demanded it, and LaFleur folded like a cheap tent. #12 knew he needed to rest it, but he couldn't risk losing his job to Love. If he still had Brett Hundley backing him up, he would have had no issue resting it.
You guys just make shit up. 😂😂😂
Rodgers isn't the only complicated fella it seems.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Can you provide an example of this happening?
@Tschmack posted:The reason the Seahawks got as much as they did was Denver was desperate and there weren’t many other good options other than Russ.
There is literally no scenario the Packers will get as much or even close to what Seattle got back in return if they trade 12.
Could that be a couple of 1s? Maybe, but I think a 1 and a 3 or 1 and a conditional pick or player makes a lot more sense. Personally, if I were just a 1 I would probably make that deal.
Rodgers under the right circumstances has immense value to a franchise that hasn't won in 50 years. The way to make the deal work for both side is heavily incentivized conditional terms, imo.
Jets get Rodgers
Packers get 1 and 4
If he bombs out in 23, deal done. Jets took their swing Packers got more than fair for cutting the cord at the right time.
If the Jets make the playoffs in 23 the 4 becomes a 3
Jets make the AFC Chamionship 4 becomes a 2
Jets make Super Bowl* 4 becomes a 1
Jets win the Super Bowl it kicks in another 3 that becomes a 2 if he decides to return to defend the title.
Packers can cover their bases to keep the fan base from revolting and the Jets fans will be so happy if he's successful they won't care what they gave up. 12 gets to stroke his ego for helping two franchises and gets one up on 4 by succeeding with the Jets.
*(and lose to the Packer's 😉)
I think that the Packers fan base at this point would favor a trade. AR going on record as saying he would hold no animosity towards the Packers if they decided to move on from him results in a very different scenario from the Favre debacle. Favre and his wife "riled up" a portion of the fan base by taking the stance that it was his right to play for the Packers no matter what. AR taking a completely different stance makes it immensely easier for the front office to trade him.
There’s a couple of other angles to consider with the Jets
While they aren’t as desperate as Denver was, there is pressure for the HC and GM this year.
Rodgers is also a good outdoor QB especially late in the season. Games at Buffalo and New England and home games in NJ make him a much better match than say a Jimmy G or Carr.
If money isn’t the issue with the owner, and a Rodgers led Jets team gets them to the playoffs the next two years then giving up a couple of 1sts or a 1 and 2 or 3 isn’t that big of a deal. The Jets need to win now.
This is actually a really good situation for the Packers to pave the way for a deal. It’s one thing to not deal a guy coming off an MVP season, it’s another after a disappointing season.
Rodgers is good outdoors late season? You obviously haven't been watching the last couple years.
Straight up.
My point is he knows how to play in less than ideal weather conditions unlike probably half the QBs in the league.
By the way, I doubt any near 40 year old enjoys being outside for 3 hours in temps under 20.
@FLPACKER posted:I think that the Packers fan base at this point would favor a trade. AR going on record as saying he would hold no animosity towards the Packers if they decided to move on from him results in a very different scenario from the Favre debacle. Favre and his wife "riled up" a portion of the fan base by taking the stance that it was his right to play for the Packers no matter what. AR taking a completely different stance makes it immensely easier for the front office to trade him.
I almost think he wants to be traded. For whatever reason, his being so openly willing to accept a trade is an interesting development. Gone is his insisting "I want to finish my career in GB" and how big of a deal that used to be for him to have a one-team career. Now he's playing the "I'm willing to be moved" card. It's just another way to put pressure on the FO to help get himself out of GB. I think he'd like to go west: Seattle, LV, even LA if Stafford pulls a stunner and retires from all the injuries and now that he has his Super Bowl.
Wouldn't shock me for Stafford to walk away while he still can. That injury is serious at any age. AND the Rams did inquire about Rodgers' availability before trading for Stafford, so I'm sure the interest is there.
But the “experts” say Packers won’t trade Rodgers to an NFC team. Plus Rams have no first pick round until 2024.
I don't care if he plays for any other team, except MN. We know that with a first-year QB the chances of winning the Superb Owl are extremely slim. If we could get a player or two and a third-rounder this year and a first in 2024, I could live with that.
NFC vs AFC, except for the Queens, I honestly do not care either. Get the best package you can for Rodgers and turn the page.
One constant that Rodgers and his hardcore fans have a hard time admitting, he comes up and plays small in elimination games. Did it against DET, did it last year at home against an inferior SF team (despite our defense playing their ass off), did it at home in the NFCC game with full home field advantage.
This is the highest paid player in the NFL and this is a guy who is paid to put the team on his back when there is no other choice. And to elevate the guys around him to play better.
It's been a very, very long time since we've seen that.
@GBFanForLife posted:Rodgers is good outdoors late season? You obviously haven't been watching the last couple years.
He already told us he wasn't wasting time watching the Packers after the losing streak. They played better when he didn't watch.
@packerboi posted:NFC vs AFC, except for the Queens, I honestly do not care either. Get the best package you can for Rodgers and turn the page.
One constant that Rodgers and his hardcore fans have a hard time admitting, he comes up and plays small in elimination games. Did it against DET, did it last year at home against an inferior SF team (despite our defense playing their ass off), did it at home in the NFCC game with full home field advantage.
This is the highest paid player in the NFL and this is a guy who is paid to put the team on his back when there is no other choice. And to elevate the guys around him to play better.
It's been a very, very long time since we've seen that.
He's no Joe Burrow.
@packerboi posted:NFC vs AFC, except for the Queens, I honestly do not care either. Get the best package you can for Rodgers and turn the page.
One constant that Rodgers and his hardcore fans have a hard time admitting, he comes up and plays small in elimination games. Did it against DET, did it last year at home against an inferior SF team (despite our defense playing their ass off), did it at home in the NFCC game with full home field advantage.
This is the highest paid player in the NFL and this is a guy who is paid to put the team on his back when there is no other choice. And to elevate the guys around him to play better.
It's been a very, very long time since we've seen that.
I thought the loss against the 49ers had much more to do with a blocked punt returned for a TD and a devastating fumble by Lewis. Neither of those two plays happen and GB wins the game.
Sounds to me like ammo might be a complicated fella. Or myopic. They played better to an 8-9 record and got beat at home by Detroit.
It was the perfect and predictable way to finish the year for a team that underachieved time and time again in 2022.
@Tschmack posted:By the way, I doubt any near 40 year old enjoys being outside for 3 hours in temps under 20.
I used to easily run 5 clicks in those conditions.
@Tschmack posted:Sounds to me like ammo might be a complicated fella. Or myopic. They played better to an 8-9 record and got beat at home by Detroit.
It was the perfect and predictable way to finish the year for a team that underachieved time and time again in 2022.
It was the worst possible finish they could have had. Don't get to see Love play at all before they decide on his 5th year option, still miss the playoffs, and end up with a mid-round 1st pick instead of a higher one. At the end of the season we aren't any better than the Bears. But we get literally nothing out of a 8-9 season. Hell we don't even get a "we're on the rise" feeling like Detroit has. We had the worst possible outcome this past season of any we could have had.
That explains the loss. You watched the Detroit game didn't you?
@vitaflo posted:It was the worst possible finish they could have had. Don't get to see Love play at all before they decide on his 5th year option, still miss the playoffs, and end up with a mid-round 1st pick instead of a higher one. At the end of the season we aren't any better than the Bears. But we get literally nothing out of a 8-9 season. Hell we don't even get a "we're on the rise" feeling like Detroit has. We had the worst possible outcome this past season of any we could have had.
The Packers are always better than the B**rs.
@Fandame posted:I don't care if he plays for any other team, except MN. We know that with a first-year QB the chances of winning the Superb Owl are extremely slim. If we could get a player or two and a third-rounder this year and a first in 2024, I could live with that.
Fuck, let him play in Minnesota…for their next 5 #1 picks!
@Pakrz posted:I thought the loss against the 49ers had much more to do with a blocked punt returned for a TD and a devastating fumble by Lewis. Neither of those two plays happen and GB wins the game.
Really? 10 points? The offense scored 10 points and we are blaming the special teams more? They were both equally BRUTAL.
@Goalline posted:Really? 10 points? The offense scored 10 points and we are blaming the special teams more? They were both equally BRUTAL.
People seem to forget this fact. Thanks for pointing that out.
If by “watching” the Detroit game you mean checking my phone (score) a few times in the first half, then yeah you are spot on.
The funny part is my wife had it all figured out. She said “you know how it will all end up. Rodgers will choke and they will find a way to lose so why waste your time” lol.
BTW, she’s way more optimistic than me as a sports fan.
Vitaflo had a good take on the season. 8-9 and missing the playoffs was probably the worst possible outcome. Had they kept losing they get a lot higher draft position. Obviously making the playoffs is better than not. But losing to Detroit at home to end it with Rodgers being outplayed by Jared fucking Goff? The Lions!?!? I mean, how else could this nightmare season possibly end up?
They need to turn the page and do some kind of a reset to get the stink off this franchise. But my guess is they won’t. MLF and his cronies will stay, including Barry. It’s still possible that Rodgers will return with all of his buddies because Murphy and Gute have no balls and they are too comfortable in their jobs.
So yeah. If it’s more the same for 2023 then I’m guessing it will be somewhat like this year. Maybe they win a few more games but this current team as constructed isn’t a threat. That’s why they should move on from Rodgers.
@D J posted:@KenIngallsBefore Aaron Rodgers had his standoff with the Packers in 2021, he was originally under contract in 2022 & 2023 for $51M. Now, Aaron Rodgers is under contract in 2022 & 2023 for $101.5M, plus $49.3M in 2024. That's a net 1 year extension for $99.8 million - it's about the money
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Way the season played out also eliminated the possibility of evaluating Love. Loss at Lambeau to the Lions with a playoff berth on the line was a definite gut-punch and just added to the sense of many fans of Rodgers fatigue.
@Goalline posted:Really? 10 points? The offense scored 10 points and we are blaming the special teams more? They were both equally BRUTAL.
Yup, in fact, lets take a stroll down memory lane to how the end of our final games of the last 3 seasons unfolded.
2020 vs TB, down by 5 in the 4th Quarter:
- We intercept Brady
- Offense goes 3 & out.
- We intercept Brady *again*
- Offense goes 3 & out, *again*
- We lose by 5
2021 vs SF, tied in the 4th Quarter with 4 mins left:
- Offense go 3 & out
- SF kicks a FG to win it
2022 vs DET, down by 4 in the 4th Quarter with 5 mins left:
- 6 plays and 12 yds into our drive, Rodgers throws an INT
- DET runs out the clock for the win
Every game was very winnable. Each time the offense needed a score to win, they not only shit the bed, they did it in the worst way possible (3 & out or turnover). With the season on the line in all three games, we weren't even remotely clutch, could barely even get a 1st down on the drives that mattered.
Rodgers has definitely pulled a rabbit out of his hat on many occasions with us but in the past few years when it was all on the line, the offense has been anemic.
One of the best sports quotes I have ever read was when George Steinbrenner called Dave Winfield Mr May in reference to Reggie Jackson being called Mr October. You may recall that Winfield was a great athlete in many sports but clutch in the playoffs and big games he was not.
@Blair Kiel posted:I used to easily run 5 clicks in those conditions.
That was in the 70s.
