Last year I thought he'd go to Denver and was so disappointed when that didn't happen. This year I think he'll stay. If he stays healthy he bests Favre's G, B. yardage record--and that will likely never be touched. He wants that... He'll get paid a lot of money. He won't have to struggle with a new offense, staff, team, surroundings etc....he'll be able to skip all preseason stuff and all the meetings he wants. He'll retire a life long packer. After a few years he'll be loved somewhat like Bart Starr--not quite...but close...even Starr's less than stellar coaching career didn't stop the love... obviously he was a more likable genuine human being...But I think Rogers stays--which means--he'll leave because typically I'm wrong---hooray!
@Johnson posted:Last year I thought he'd go to Denver and was so disappointed when that didn't happen. This year I think he'll stay. If he stays healthy he bests Favre's G, B. yardage record--and that will likely never be touched. He wants that... He'll get paid a lot of money. He won't have to struggle with a new offense, staff, team, surroundings etc....he'll be able to skip all preseason stuff and all the meetings he wants. He'll retire a life long packer. After a few years he'll be loved somewhat like Bart Starr--not quite...but close...even Starr's less than stellar coaching career didn't stop the love... obviously he was a more likable genuine human being...But I think Rogers stays--which means--he'll leave because typically I'm wrong---hooray!
I wish they had moved on last year and hope they salvage something this year. I don't think he'll ever approach Starr's status as a championship quarterback, or likeable human being. Great qb, no doubt, but fell short in big games and was beyond arrogant.
@CUPackFan posted:Fans assume winning is the most important thing to a player. I'd be surprised if winning was the most important thing for even 10% of the NFL. It's money, then individual recognition, then probably winning. And I don't blame them, it's just the reality.
"Individual recognition" is what leads to money... so it's kind of hard to separate the two.
Despite having never been quite world-class at anything, and certainly not anything with the cultural relevance of the NFL, I have a theory. That theory being that winning a Super Bowl, while feeling great, doesn't necessarily feel any better than winning anything else that's important to you.
So if you view it through the lens of winning in the NFL being a dopamine hit just like any other, all of a sudden it becomes absurd to think that you'd take millions of dollars less than market value just so that maybe Gutekunst will successfully allocate it in a way that gives you a 5% better chance of winning a Super Bowl.
You offer me a 20% raise at my job versus giving me somewhat better Rocket League teammates? I'm taking the raise every time.
@Johnson posted:Last year I thought he'd go to Denver and was so disappointed when that didn't happen. This year I think he'll stay. If he stays healthy he bests Favre's G, B. yardage record--and that will likely never be touched. He wants that... He'll get paid a lot of money. He won't have to struggle with a new offense, staff, team, surroundings etc....he'll be able to skip all preseason stuff and all the meetings he wants. He'll retire a life long packer. After a few years he'll be loved somewhat like Bart Starr--not quite...but close...even Starr's less than stellar coaching career didn't stop the love... obviously he was a more likable genuine human being...But I think Rogers stays--which means--he'll leave because typically I'm wrong---hooray!
Not close to Starr.
Starr was a decent human who won five championships.
Arod--disappointed too many times, sometimes not his fault.
Likeable human being? I like him from what I see. Gives his honest opinion on things when asked and then gets blasted for it by the haters. I guess people love hearing cliche answes we have all heard a thousand times. It does seem the hate of him has escalated since he started doing macafees show while his main purpose of doing it was for fans to see the real side of him. Tough crowd aaron.
@CUPackFan posted:Fans assume winning is the most important thing to a player. I'd be surprised if winning was the most important thing for even 10% of the NFL. It's money, then individual recognition, then probably winning. And I don't blame them, it's just the reality.
Just watch their reaction when they are asked to attend extra practices.
@MichiganPacker posted:Brady will go down as the GOAT. But, he was basically a guy that was good enough to take advantage of being in great situations. A handful of other guys would have done just as well (Brees, Payton, Rodgers come to mind)
1. Belichick as a defensive coordinator. Parcells is a HOF coach and his record with Belichick as his DC is what got him there. Parcells was 154-96 with two Super Bowl rings and another Super Bowl appearance with Belichick as an assistant. Parcells success was mostly Bill Belichick. Brady got that same benefit.
2. Gronkowski. The last 4 titles were all won on teams that had Gronk. I think Gronk might have missed one playoff run, but Brady's stats were very different with and without Gronk over the last 12 years of his career.
3. His statistics were very pedestrian in the Troy Aikman manner for the first three titles. There were a lot of similarities to Aikman in that you could have put probably any of about 10 QBs on those early 2000s Patriots teams and they would have also won. Brady was obviously good, but knew not to do anything stupid to screw things up. If you have flipped P. Manning and him in the early 2000s. Payton probably wins more rings with that Pat team.
4. His regular-season stats explosions didn't happen until he had Randy Moss. His TD passes per year from his first six years as a starter were 18, 28, 23, 28, 26, and 24. His TD to interception ratio was about 2/1. Then Moss arrived and he jumped to 50 TDs. Then a couple of years later Gronk arrives and catches 92 career TDs from him over about 10 years.
Brady was throwing for a few years to a top 3 WR all-time in Moss and the top TE in NFL history for a decade. It's not a coincidence that, as good as Mahomes is, when he needs a play, it's Travis Kelce that it goes to. Kelce is not quite Gronk, but he's close.
You could argue Rodgers had Adams and didn't take advantage of that to get titles. But Adams wasn't quite on Moss' level and Gronk was a transcendant player at TE.
Amazingly, Brady is the only Hall of Fame QB ever to play with talent. Do you remember who his receivers were for his first 2 Super Bowls?
Ironically, Brady never won a Super Bowl with Randy Moss. Adams is better than all the WRs Brady won Super Bowls with.
Defense wins championships.
@Goalline posted:Amazingly, Brady is the only Hall of Fame QB ever to play with talent. Do you remember who his receivers were for his first 2 Super Bowls?
Ironically, Brady never won a Super Bowl with Randy Moss. Adams is better than all the WRs Brady won Super Bowls with.
Agree with all this, but Brady was more of a game manager earlier in his career. He didn't have much talent in the passing game during those first 3 Super Bowls. In many ways early in his career he was like Bart Starr. Starr didn't really have elite WRs for any of his title teams, but he minimized mistakes and let his defense and running game work until he needed to do something.
It took a freak play (Tyree) to keep Brady from winning that title and going 19-0 the first year he had Moss. That was by far the best team Brady was on. Moss was such a putz, but he's the most talented WR I've ever seen. He was arguably two plays away from being the best player on a 17-1 Super Bowl winner (which I think the Vikings would have been in 1998 had Anderson not missed his only FG of the year) and on an 18-0 Patriots team. Instead, Randy Moss is ringless, in those two cases for no fault of his own.
@Floridarob posted:Gives his honest opinion on things when asked and then gets blasted for it by the haters.
Wish he'd have taken that approach regarding his vaccination status like Wentz and Cousins did.
No doubt about Brady's greatness BUT he had a top 10 defense (pts allowed) EVERY year he won a SB. In addition, he had top ten defenses in 7 other years that they didn't win the SB. AR had 3 and one of them (2009) gave up 51 pts. in their playoff loss.
Brady to me is the best to ever do it hands down no discussion. But, I will say he had a huge advantage of having really good defenses in NE. That is something that AR cannot say he only had a really good defense a couple of times.
What is crazy about Brady is that he wasn't even a full time starter at Michigan. They kept rotating him and Henson a good bit of the time. And I think a lot of people (Including myself) thought of him as a fluke when he won that first SB.
As for Rodgers the player he is by far and away my all time favorite Packer. Yep he has come up short consistently some of which are totally on him and others you can put on coaching, defense and STs. If I had any memories of Starr the player I would have definitely picked him but my only memories of him are of his HC tenure which I only have a few fond memories of.
As for AR the human being well I really don't care what he says and I disagree with some of and and agree with some other things. I don't care because its totally within his rights to say what he wants. What drives me up the wall about it is the mobs on social media these days going after someone who disagrees with you.
My prediction for what will happen with #12? I think his decision this year will be based on what roster moves to get under the cap the Packers will have to do. if they can make moves that keeps the bulk of the core there he comes back for one more try. If not I think he will be a Jet or Raider this year.
Heckler I think you're right in that last paragraph.
No doubt Rodgers has been great -- in the regular season. But, I can't help but think that if you were to flip Brady and Rodgers, GB would have several more trips to the SB, and probably a few more titles. I just think Brady would take the easy yards, keep a mediocre D off the field, and be better in the fourth quarter. Rodgers has not been clutch in big games for several years, while Brady has.
@Fandame posted:No doubt Rodgers has been great -- in the regular season. But, I can't help but think that if you were to flip Brady and Rodgers, GB would have several more trips to the SB, and probably a few more titles. I just think Brady would take the easy yards, keep a mediocre D off the field, and be better in the fourth quarter. Rodgers has not been clutch in big games for several years, while Brady has.
Maybe post-2016, Brady would have been better, but before that there was no comparison. Belichick would have traded Brady even up for Rodgers in a heartbeat anytime between 2010-2016.
@Goalline posted:Amazingly, Brady is the only Hall of Fame QB ever to play with talent. Do you remember who his receivers were for his first 2 Super Bowls?
Troy Brown and Deion Branch were very good receivers. Branch was the first guy that actually received the Super Bowl MVP over Brady even though other guys also deserved it (Vrabel, White, Law).
@Fandame posted:No doubt Rodgers has been great -- in the regular season. But, I can't help but think that if you were to flip Brady and Rodgers, GB would have several more trips to the SB, and probably a few more titles. I just think Brady would take the easy yards, keep a mediocre D off the field, and be better in the fourth quarter. Rodgers has not been clutch in big games for several years, while Brady has.
Brady didn't have to deal with mediocre defenses. When he won titles he had top-ten scoring defenses that stopped opponents and got the ball back with short fields in the 4th quarter.
As the kids say, scoreboard.
It’s what counts.
And if you're not cheating, you're not Brady.
Just spoke with a friend of mine who is very in tuned with Packers/Aaron Rodgers situation.
— Sam Barrington (@Sam_Barrington_) February 5, 2023
Aaron will be a @Raiders in 2023
Pack goes to Vegas next year…Sunday night? Thanksgiving nite?
Book it
Can’t wait to see Jaire on Adams, but Barry will likely have his D playing zone for at least the first half.
https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2023/02/05/davante-adams-playing-with-aaron-rodgers-again-would-be-a-dream-scenario/
“Would I be interested in having Aaron Rodgers throw to me?” Adams said. “Yes. I would love that. … I would love to have that, and obviously, that would be a dream scenario. One that I’m very familiar with.”
@Shadow posted:I didn't know Sam and Arrigo hung out.
All the sports media people get their Packer takes from x4.
bARRInGtOn = ARRIGO
Congrats Aaron and Ben Silverman. Curious that he won after not playing golf since training camp. Does he have same mentality towards football?
Did you see how happy Rodgers was soaking up the attention about where he might play next year? Of course there are more Raiders fans than Jets fans on the west coast but I’m amazed they even let Raiders fans on the golf course. 😉
@Pikes Peak posted:Pack goes to Vegas next year…Sunday night? Thanksgiving nite?
Book it
If Rodgers does end up there, it will be a featured game, but not the same way if it was the Raiders visiting Green Bay. If that was the case, it would be one of the games of the year for the regular season. This won't rise to that level.
@GreenBayLA posted:I’m amazed they even let Raiders fans on the golf course. 😉
Carnivals must be closed!
@MichiganPacker posted:If Rodgers does end up there, it will be a featured game, but not the same way if it was the Raiders visiting Green Bay. If that was the case, it would be one of the games of the year for the regular season. This won't rise to that level.
Oh, you don’t know the press and their desperation to hype the smallest thing.
I’m sure it would hardly be mentioned here on X4.
I guess that it was in the stars. https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...gy-seminar/#comments
@PackerPatrick posted:I guess that it was in the stars. https://profootballtalk.nbcspo...gy-seminar/#comments
This is some Stuart Smalley level BS.
From your link:
He’s the guest speaker at an astrological event. A “masterclass,” if you will. Specifically, an Astrological Immersion Party aimed at helping the participant “fall in love . . . with YOU” through the “ancient science of astrology.”
That's what we all have thought the problem was for AR, that he didn't love himself enough.