@Packmeister posted:
Maybe he won't come back.
“Be curious. Not judgmental. We are all on our own path, and doing things like this helps me find a greater sense of peace and love for life. Love and respect to you.” #12.
JFC a darkness retreat
I mean, he’s like 1 step removed from Kyrie Irving loony toons.
Likely source for 12's interest in the retreat.
@Tschmack posted:JFC a darkness retreat
I mean, he’s like 1 step removed from Kyrie Irving loony toons.
I think the lesson we should take from the last 31 years of GB Packer Quarterbacking is #15 is still #1 There's more to the position than TDs and MVPs. Hope Love is able to stay grounded when it's his turn. The messiah complex didn't serve the last two well.
Meh, darkness meditation is a pretty common practice, and has been for at least hundreds of years. A whole day seems like cramming for your finals when you didn't study throughout the semester, but whatever. It's certainly no weirder than praying upon an ancient instrument of execution.
@MichiganPacker posted:Has he done his ghee cleanse this year?
Hopefully not at the same time as the darkness retreat. If he did that would bring a whole new meaning to enlightenment.
I wonder if, when he comes out of the darkness, Andy Reid drew a mustache on his face...
@Herschel posted:Meh, darkness meditation is a pretty common practice, and has been for at least hundreds of years. A whole day seems like cramming for your finals when you didn't study throughout the semester, but whatever. It's certainly no weirder than praying upon an ancient instrument of execution.
There is a bit more to it than that. 🙄
@titmfatied posted:The messiah complex didn't serve the last two well.
I’ve found that to be the case with my work here at X4.
3 things that will never appear in the same sentence (except here) darkness meditation, dick pics and Bart Starr.
@PackerPatrick posted:There is a bit more to it than that. 🙄
Buddhists have done that stuff forever.
@Blair Kiel posted:I’ve found that to be the case with my work here at X4.
You are our resident prophet
People talking like 4 days/nights of complete darkness is some sort of challenge.
I could do that in my sleep.
@Chongo posted:I've said from the jump he may just be fucking with us all. That he knows exactly what he's going to do and it's coming back to the Packers...that all of this stuff about the Raiders is just him having his fun.
And the media is lapping it up.
If his BFF's are back? I would buy that. Without them? And with GB knowing that Love is not only ready, but if he's not named a starter in 2023 will almost certainly demand a trade?
That makes things far more complicated. The Packers could easily make things as unappealing as possible for him to return. No Cobb, Lazard, Lewis, Crosby, etc really means it's a locker room with very few he can relate to. And I am not fully convinced the Packers wouldn't also trade Bakh for the right draft pick considering Tom did fairly well at LT. Rodgers has flat out said he wants no part of a rebuild...and that's exactly what he would see that as even though the above players could easily be replaced with high ceiling, cheaper, younger players.
Rodgers also does not have a no trade clause in his contract. He has no ability to block a trade to X team. Of course, he and GB would need to be on the same page for a team to be traded to, but it's not like he holds all the cards in that scenario.
I still think it's more likely than not that he's traded before the draft. I think the FO wants to roll with Love. If Love sucks, they likely get a top 10, possibly a top 5 pick in 2024. If he looks good, you have a potential franchise QB for the next 8-10 years.
Another year of Rodgers isn't worth giving up all that.
Stay, trade, retire. I could care less... but what's the point?
@packerboi good points, and may be bang on true. My point is that for the last decade, really since the Gerg/Jermike shade olympics, "people" have been assuming they know everything about 12, and like to psychoanalyze his every move....and most often, they are rong.
Granted, much of this comes from his desire to be out in public, to say controversial stuff...he brings a lot on himself...and I think he knows that and just doesn't give a fuck. To me, that's his ultimate motivation with this stuff...he's all about tossing bananas into the monkey cage and watching the show. I recognize the behavior because from time to time, I love to do that too.
All that said, I really hope the Packers move on from him because we don't have the defensive coordinator, depth of offensive talent (or OL for that matter) to make me feel like we are close to a title. 2020 and 2021 were our "shot." Bringing Barry back is a mistake...his defense regressed in 2022 mostly...I have zero faith the defense we see is vastly different than what we saw most of last season.
We are in rebuild mode right now, and as such, we need draft capital. Dealing 12 and 69 gives us that capital. Going into last season I wanted 12 back because I thought we were close...that the defense was good enough, the offense was good enough and that most of the blame was on ST. After 2022, I no longer believe it is in the best interest of the club to keep 12.
@H5 posted:Stay, trade, retire. I could care less... but what's the point?
How much less could you care? 😝
@Chongo posted:All that said, I really hope the Packers move on from him because we don't have the defensive coordinator, depth of offensive talent (or OL for that matter) to make me feel like we are close to a title. 2020 and 2021 were our "shot." Bringing Barry back is a mistake...his defense regressed in 2022 mostly...I have zero faith the defense we see is vastly different than what we saw most of last season.
Also good points @Chongo.
With regard to the above, I am not only still stunned by MLF holding onto Barry, I cannot believe MLF doesn't realize that decision may cost MLF his job. IMO the honeymoon period is over with him.
If Love starts in '23, maybe MLF gets a pass. But Gute has invested a shit ton into that defensive side of the football. And that also means if Gute takes another defensive player in this draft, that's 8 GOT DAMN 1st round picks on this defense.
We know how this league works. It's a total "what have you done for me lately" business. And I could see Gute canning MLF to save his ass as a GM. We've seen that time and again.
@packerboi posted:Also good points @Chongo.
With regard to the above, I am not only still stunned by MLF holding onto Barry, I cannot believe MLF doesn't realize that decision may cost MLF his job. IMO the honeymoon period is over with him.
If Love starts in '23, maybe MLF gets a pass. But Gute has invested a shit ton into that defensive side of the football. And that also means if Gute takes another defensive player in this draft, that's 8 GOT DAMN 1st round picks on this defense.
We know how this league works. It's a total "what have you done for me lately" business. And I could see Gute canning MLF to save his ass as a GM. We've seen that time and again.
I'm starting to believe MLF isn't HC material...he's a lifelong coordinator because he doesn't have it in him to move on from bad coaches.
If he wasn't willing to move on from Barry, Gurt or whichever Silo has the authority to deal with such decisions, should have made it for him...like they did with Drayton.
There were 3 upgrades to DC available...Fangio, Evero (who they could have hired in the first place) and Flores. This was a rare year for that. In most years you are lucky to have one great DC looking for work. But to Justis Mosqueda's point...the only logic to bringing Barry back is because 12 is coming back and you don't want to be bringing in a new defense in a year you are going "all in," to win a title.
Trade 12 and 69 to the Raiders for a boat load of picks. Reboot...LFG.
I get how everyone is wanting JB run out of town on a rail. I am one of them trust me but the consistent failures on defense go way further back than MLFs tenure in GB and his keeping JB on the staff.
With rare exceptions this defense has been freaking soft since they won the SB. Since then they have made countless efforts to fix that side of the ball with numerous coordinators, high draft picks, and free agency signings. And yet we get to see the same old soft tackling, getting ran over, non physical defenses that scares no one.
As for Gute and MLF neither one is going anywhere anytime soon. MLF is not getting fired after one down season with the success he has had in previous years. IF this team goes in to rebuild mode due to cap issues MLF will be around for a bit to try and get it right.
I’m not sure Barry returning has anything to do with Rodgers returning (or not).
I do think 12 would be much more inclined to return if he knew his buddies would be back as well. You can’t allow that to happen if you are GB. I mean, I get it if you’re Rodgers. But guys like Big Dog and Cobb and even Tonyan and Lazard don’t elevate this team.
The ceiling with 12 and his buddies all playing their absolute best is probably 10-11 wins. Good enough to make the playoffs, bad enough to get bounced in the first round.
Only way I bring him back is if you let Gute be a GM and if 12 commits to the offseason program stuff. If not, see you later.
Saints asked for permission to have Carr in for a visit. That's probably not granted if the Raiders and Saints aren't thinking of a trade (with Carr's permission).
Any trade capital the Raiders would acquire would probably be turned around as part of a trade for Rodgers. Saints may also offload players as part of a deal so they can get under the cap easier, which, if it was the right players, could also bolster a Raiders team to make it more palpable for Rodgers.
I feel like before any potential trade of AR to the Raiders, a deal with Carr to the Saints would have to be fairly set in stone first.
@Blair Kiel posted:How much less could you care? 😝
The juice ain't worth the squeeze.
@Herschel posted:Translation: Bets were coming in heavily and bookmakers adjusted the odds accordingly in order to maximize their take.
This.. Odds are not set by the Books based on a judgment of what THEY think will happen. The odds are set based on a judgment of what they think will draw an equal amount of money on each side, thus ensuring the Book wins.
@vitaflo posted:Saints asked for permission to have Carr in for a visit. That's probably not granted if the Raiders and Saints aren't thinking of a trade (with Carr's permission).
Any trade capital the Raiders would acquire would probably be turned around as part of a trade for Rodgers. Saints may also offload players as part of a deal so they can get under the cap easier, which, if it was the right players, could also bolster a Raiders team to make it more palpable for Rodgers.
I feel like before any potential trade of AR to the Raiders, a deal with Carr to the Saints would have to be fairly set in stone first.
That actually sounds very plausible 🤔
@Herschel posted:Meh, darkness meditation is a pretty common practice, and has been for at least hundreds of years. A whole day seems like cramming for your finals when you didn't study throughout the semester, but whatever. It's certainly no weirder than praying upon an ancient instrument of execution.
Jordan Love worships a guillotine?
@PackerPatrick posted:One of them is a spitting image of my ex! Maybe I should ask her? She is a libra.
Beef would hit her.
@titmfatied posted:Likely source for 12's interest in the retreat.
Invested QB's do this sort of thing.
Travis Kelce credits Patrick Mahomes for organizing offseason workouts with new receivers
After the season ended I thought 12 would retire and be doing GB a favor with the cap. I don't think that anymore.
My guess is he's traded and GB bites the bullet hoping his talents have regressed enough that he doesn't take another team on a deep playoff run. As a fan I'm coming to peace with this. It's the best scenario for all those involved. I'm still bitter and emotionally scarred having to watch Favre play in another jersey, most specifically in MN. Never rooted so much for another player/team to shit the bed. In hindsight things worked out wonderfully, but living through that shit as a fan sucked ass. Don't want it to happen again.
I don’t care if he leaves and wins the Super Bowl. Take the highest bid. Which should have been done last year.
move on.org
can you imagine the chaos around here if that were to happen?
@Tavis Smiley posted:After the season ended I thought 12 would retire and be doing GB a favor with the cap. I don't think that anymore.
My guess is he's traded and GB bites the bullet hoping his talents have regressed enough that he doesn't take another team on a deep playoff run. As a fan I'm coming to peace with this. It's the best scenario for all those involved. I'm still bitter and emotionally scarred having to watch Favre play in another jersey, most specifically in MN. Never rooted so much for another player/team to shit the bed. In hindsight things worked out wonderfully, but living through that shit as a fan sucked ass. Don't want it to happen again.
Get this done, the sooner the better. As soon as he re-emerges into the light schedule a meeting with all involved, 3 choices, retire, trade or stay in GB, pick one. 4 days of nothing but thinking about a decision should suffice.
@Iowacheese posted:I don’t care if he leaves and wins the Super Bowl. Take the highest bid. Which should have been done last year.
move on.org
No thank you.
@BrainDed posted:This.. Odds are not set by the Books based on a judgment of what THEY think will happen. The odds are set based on a judgment of what they think will draw an equal amount of money on each side, thus ensuring the Book wins.
True. But it does suggest that a lot of money has come in that will pay out if Rodgers goes to the Raiders. We don't know whether that's a bunch of excited Raiders fans each betting small amounts (which wouldn't indicate that much) or a couple of massive bets from high-rollers that have gotten tipped off by an insider (real-estate agent, receptionist at the property office for a gated community, who knows) that someone is happening.
@bvan posted:Invested QB's do this sort of thing.
Travis Kelce credits Patrick Mahomes for organizing offseason workouts with new receivers
I saw that, too...Hmmm...and they're in the Super Bowl, too...isn't that something?
@Pikes Peak posted:Get this done, the sooner the better. As soon as he re-emerges into the light schedule a meeting with all involved, 3 choices, retire, trade, pick one. 4 days of nothing but thinking about a decision should suffice.
2 choices - retire or trade please. Agree 4 days of darkness should be enough time.
We’ll know about Carr’s situation by Tues afternoon. His contract is such that a trade has to be agreed to by then if he is to be traded or the Raiders are on the hook for an extra $40m of his contract.
That would give more clarity into Rodgers going to LV as we would know what compensation LV got in return for Carr.