At this point I don't care what the Packers get in a trade. It would be great if we got multiple high picks but I just want this thing over with (thankfully I'm not the GM). I don't think we will win with Rodgers anymore and I want to move on to something new. The future is uncertain but at least there is potential with Love at QB.
@BrainDed posted:I Just explained my opinion on that above. They know he can not return to the Packers... The Packers have two options, trade him to the Jets or HOPE he retires and get nothing.
If your home is in forclosure, and you have no other buyers, I ain't paying fair market value. You can get what I offer or you get nothing.
But I have another house that I can live in. You don't. You don't pay what I'm asking for my home, you can tell your family and friends why you said we were getting a new house but instead are living in a tent. BTW...you shouldn't have bought the pool (Lazard) before you bought the house.
@DH13 posted:Then they changed the rule. And ooooh those 3rd rounders are right in Gutes wheelhouse!
I would take four 3rd round comp picks for Rodgers.
@GBFanForLife posted:So the Packers are holding this up because the Jets want to give less shows something else about them?
I don't have any idea who, if either side, is changing the terms or even if there were agreed to terms. If there were agreed to terms and one side is not honoring them, then it says a lot about that side. I would like to agree with Boris, that is not the Packer way, but I would have no idea.
@PackerRick posted:I would take four 3rd round comp picks for Rodgers.
4 3rd round comps is barely equivalent of one mid-2nd rounder according to "the chart" if I am reading it right.
@GratefulPack posted:I have a very hard time believing the compensation wasn't worked out before Woody flew his Jet to CA. If it wasn't, it was very amatuerish on both sides even when taking into account the people involved. If one side is holding up bc they are trying to get more then it shows something else about them.
Very true. There was probably an agreement in place and Rodgers said something to send a red flag up, like he probably wouldn't commit to a 2nd year.
@PackerRick posted:I would take four 3rd round comp picks for Rodgers.
Only after Lynch makes them.
@GratefulPack posted:4 3rd round comps is barely equivalent of one mid-2nd rounder according to "the chart" if I am reading it right.
If the Jets deal falls through what kind of offers do you think will be out there? Then it really becomes a dump the contract situation.
@PackerRick posted:Very true. There was probably an agreement in place and Rodgers said something to send a red flag up, like he probably wouldn't commit to a 2nd year.
Very possible. I put that on the Jets in that case since they were the ones who asked for permission and agreed to terms. I would find it interesting if Rodgers refused to commit to 2 years. To me a big sign that he doesn't have confidence in himself which is pretty unlike him from my 18 yrs of observation.
@DH13 posted:News Flash: SF has nothing to give in that fantasy scenario. They have a bunch of 3's, 5's and 7's and you can't trade comp picks. They'd have to offer players with some key value, which I don't think they'd do if they're trying to win a SB this year.
Well take Nick Bosa, thank you very much!
@GratefulPack posted:Very possible. I put that on the Jets in that case since they were the ones who asked for permission and agreed to terms. I would find it interesting if Rodgers refused to commit to 2 years. To me a big sign that he doesn't have confidence in himself which is pretty unlike him from my 18 yrs of observation.
The problem is he talks retirement every year and loves the attention. Even if he was 100% sure he would play 2 years he'd never say it now and lose the drama.
@PackerRick posted:If the Jets deal falls through what kind of offers do you think will be out there? Then it really becomes a dump the contract situation.
Conract is the same right or am I missing something, $40m retire or $40m trade. Money can be pushed with post June 1 trade, but same money. Obviously it can get ugly if he just reported but from what you are saying if I understand correctly, Packers should just take whatever the Jets want to offer. I understand this if there were no terms agreed to (which is possible), but I doubt this is the case.
@GratefulPack posted:Very possible. I put that on the Jets in that case since they were the ones who asked for permission and agreed to terms. I would find it interesting if Rodgers refused to commit to 2 years. To me a big sign that he doesn't have confidence in himself which is pretty unlike him from my 18 yrs of observation.
How much of this is Rodgers unwittingly being his own enemy in all of this? They lose at home in a play-in game, and he makes clear he's taking some time to sort things out. By all accounts, the organization abided by that. Were they supposed to tell him in the final chat that week that they decided to move on? Or were they supposed to give him time and space? Then he comes out of the darkness and says he wishes they had ante'd up back then. For a guy who prefers direct communication, did he leave GB in January expecting them to read his mind? Otherwise, he was entirely capable of sussing that out of them in season ending meetings, no? Especially if he gotten that vibe as the season winded down. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me if he felt that vibe, because for the most part his play reflected it.
I can’t wait for AR to be officially traded and gone. His passive aggressive diva act got old several years ago as far as I’m concerned.
Having said that, I hope that he and the organization can somehow end this amicably. As annoying as the drama has been, I think he’s a good guy and clearly one of the best QBs ever.
It’s unfortunate that Bert turned out to be such a douche, but Rodgers isn’t that guy. He’s just complicated. I hope that after this is all over, 12 will still be on the x4 banner. He’s earned it, unlike Douchy McDoucheface.
GB isn’t giving Rodgers away for a bag of lock washers. They have NYJ by the nuts and are going to squeeze them for as much as they can get in return. They should. Fuck Rodgers and fuck his feelings and fuck his contributions. This is business. You can’t win going forward because you got weepy about the past.
Thanks, NY Post. Put that pressure on for us. 
The Big Cheese — Aaron Rodgers — will be Quarterback, New York Jets, once the Packers and Jets stop trying to win the leverage battle and make a deal that is in the interests of both teams.
If Jets GM Joe Douglas must surrender the 13th pick of the 2023 NFL Draft, so be it.
It is first-and-goal now for Woody Johnson and the Jets.
An Aaron Rodgers touchdown pass wins the game.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/15/...-now-close-the-deal/
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@artis posted:How much of this is Rodgers unwittingly being his own enemy in all of this? They lose at home in a play-in game, and he makes clear he's taking some time to sort things out. By all accounts, the organization abided by that. Were they supposed to tell him in the final chat that week that they decided to move on? Or were they supposed to give him time and space? Then he comes out of the darkness and says he wishes they had ante'd up back then. For a guy who prefers direct communication, did he leave GB in January expecting them to read his mind? Otherwise, he was entirely capable of sussing that out of them in season ending meetings, no? Especially if he gotten that vibe as the season winded down. Honestly, it doesn't surprise me if he felt that vibe, because for the most part his play reflected it.
I mean lets think about what Rodgers said. He was 90% sure he was going to retire when he went on his retreat, but after he emerged and saw what Gute and the Packers were saying, he got pissed and decided he wanted to seek a trade instead.
Gute putting another chip on Rodgers shoulder is getting us draft picks and probably comp picks. If Gute tells Rodgers back in Jan flat out that we're moving on to Love (like AR wanted him to), he may have just retired and we get nothing.
This is of course if you believe everything Rodgers has said. Rodgers contradicted himself several times today, so who really knows.
Gonna get interesting if SF can’t work out a contract for Lamar Jackson.
GB front office has worked this very well.
@H5 posted:Rodgers is no Favre. Favre despised Thompson and Rodgers. Rodgers would've liked a better relationship with Gutekunst, and he actually seems to like Love.
I found it interesting that Rodgers started his interview today comparing and contrasting the Packer FO from when he started to today. Distinctly mentioning TT et al. The insinuation was that the Packer FO was run a lot better back in 2008 than it is today.
But if you asked Favre how he felt about the Packers FO in 2008 he would have said the same shit Rodgers has said about the current FO, perhaps even worse. The difference is in 2008 Rodgers got the benefit from the FO's decisions, so of course he's going to have glowing thoughts about them.
Players always hate being told their time is up, especially ones who have been playing forever. Doesn't matter who is saying it.
@vitaflo posted:I mean lets think about what Rodgers said. He was 90% sure he was going to retire when he went on his retreat, but after he emerged and saw what Gute and the Packers were saying, he got pissed and decided he wanted to seek a trade instead.
Gute putting another chip on Rodgers shoulder is getting us draft picks and probably comp picks. If Gute tells Rodgers back in Jan flat out that we're moving on to Love (like AR wanted him to), he may have just retired and we get nothing.
This is of course if you believe everything Rodgers has said. Rodgers contradicted himself several times today, so who really knows.
I guess that's my point. Even if we take him at face value in what he said today, it still is his version of events that he's conveying. It just seemed like his words today made the events murkier than actually clearing anything up, and even Hawk kind of called it out a bit. To me, it's more evidence that the drama needs some type of conclusion. I won't miss all the guessing about what he really means, not from a guy who believes in being direct.
Packers, Jets Slowly Bridging Gap in Rodgers Trade
Green Bay Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers made the obvious official on Wednesday. His “intention” is to play for the New York Jets.
With the Packers ready to pack Rodgers’ bags so they can start the Jordan Love era, the question is when, not if, a trade will be finalized.
“I haven’t been holding anything up,” Rodgers said on The Pat McAfee Show. “At this point, it’s been compensation that the Packers are trying to get for me and kind of digging their heels in.”
Of course the Packers are digging in their heels. This is a monumental decision to trade a four-time MVP quarterback. The Jets think Rodgers can put them over the top. The Packers need whatever’s coming their way to substantially help their rebuild.
With Rodgers speaking for an hour on McAfee, a source said Packers general manager Brian Gutekunst and his counterpart, Joe Douglas, narrowed the gap at least a little in their ongoing trade talks.
“Sounds like the goalposts moved a little this afternoon,” he said.
Now that everyone knows the end game, there is not a great sense of urgency. Rodgers is going to the Jets and they can build their team accordingly. Same for the Packers as they move forward with Love at quarterback and an even-tighter salary cap.
Rodgers, though, tried to politely prod Gutekunst to seal the deal.
“We’ve just got to look at the reality,” Rodgers said. “They want to move on. They don’t want me to come back, and that’s fine. They’re ready to move on with Jordan. That’s awesome. And I think Jordan is going to be a great player. He’s a fucking great kid. He had a really good year this year, getting better on the look team. He’s got a bright future in front of him.
“They have a good young team. I have so many great friends on that team that I’m still going to be great friends with. But the fact of the matter is you got an aging face of the franchise for the last 15 years that it’s time to do right by. Just listen to your language. Mark Murphy said it the other day.”
Deadlines spur action and there are no immediate deadlines. NFL offseason programs will begin on April 17 – about a month away. Ten days after that, the first round of the 2023 NFL Draft will be conducted on April 27. Four weeks later, it’s the start of offseason practices.
That’s plenty of time for Gutekunst and Douglas to figure out the appropriate trade compensation. The Jets own the 13th pick of the draft. As they target a championship, they’d rather not give up the pick.
There are alternatives. As one executive said, you can put together enough picks to make it a first-rounder.
According to a trade-value chart, the Jets’ second- and third-round picks are the equal of a low first-rounder. To sweeten the pot, the Jets could throw in a quality player on a rookie contract or an additional Day 2 pick in 2024.
If Green Bay has its heart set on a first-rounder, the other solution would be to take the Jets’ first-round pick in 2024.
The drawback is the Jets, presumably, will have a much better record in 2023 so that pick might not be anywhere near as good as this year’s No. 13. An additional pick in the 2024 draft, which could range up or down based on whether Rodgers decides to play a second season in the Big Apple, could make it work. The upside is the Packers have salary cap issues, so getting the pick in 2024 would keep about $4 million off this year’s cap.
Another executive said the Jets have the leverage in the negotiations – they’d practically be doing the Packers a favor by helping them escape the contract – but not overwhelming leverage because they’ve painted themselves into a corner. It’s Rodgers or bust. And now that Rodgers is publicly onboard, the Jets absolutely, positively have to seal the deal.
Both execs thought the Packers would get a first-rounder.
“I think it is interesting at this point to step back and look at the whole picture,” Rodgers said. “My side, love, appreciation and gratitude for everything Green Bay has done for me. So much love and gratitude and heart open for the Packer fans and what it meant to be their quarterback, and also the reality of the situation. It is what it is.
The Packers would like to move on. They’ve let me know that in so many words. They’ve let other people know that in direct words. Because I still have that fire and I want to play and I would like to play in New York, it’s just a matter of getting that done at this point.”
@artis posted:I guess that's my point. Even if we take him at face value in what he said today, it still is his version of events that he's conveying. It just seemed like his words today made the events murkier than actually clearing anything up, and even Hawk kind of called it out a bit. To me, it's more evidence that the drama needs some type of conclusion. I won't miss all the guessing about what he really means, not from a guy who believes in being direct.
Thank god for Hawk actually asking him the hard questions and catching his inconsistencies. He seems like the kind of friend who will call you out on your shit. I can see Rodgers actually liking that in a friendship, maybe not so much when 450k people are watching.
@ChilliJon posted:Gonna get interesting if SF can’t work out a contract for Lamar Jackson.
GB front office has worked this very well.
Where is SF going to get the 2 RD1 picks it will cost to buy Lamar from BAL? 2025 and 2026?
That was my earlier point and Andrew Brandt referenced it as well. The NY media and Jets fans will up the ante and exert a lot of pressure for them to close this deal quickly. The Packers are in no such hurry, and honestly, most GB fans I know are ready to move on from 12 as well.
To me, just about any deal has to include the 13th overall pick at a minimum. I'm more interested in front loading a pick or picks this year. We’ll find out soon enough what it ends up being.
@Tschmack posted:That was my earlier point and Andrew Brandt referenced it as well. The NY media and Jets fans will up the ante and exert a lot of pressure for them to close this deal quickly. The Packers are in no such hurry, and honestly, most GB fans I know are ready to move on from 12 as well.
To me, just about any deal has to include the 13th overall pick at a minimum. I'm more interested in front loading a pick or picks this year. We’ll find out soon enough what it ends up being.
I was somewhat adamant that we wouldn't get a 1st for AR, but after he came out today and said his intent is to play there and he's just waiting on the Packers and Jets to finish the deal, I would be very surprised if we didn't get the 1st.
I get the argument that a 2nd and 3rd is equivalent to a low 1st, but I think Rodgers opening his mouth today did the Packers a huge favor. He's put way more pressure on the Jets now. I'm actually kind of shocked he was dumb enough to do that.
Do the Ravens have the option of matching any offer Jackson gets?
I think the Jets learned today how candid Rodgers can be. I'll bet they weren't all that happy with what they heard.
Trey Wingo on @PFN365 talking about where things stand with the #Jets and #Packers
— Optimistic Jets (@OptimisticJets) March 15, 2023
“People are saying this will take a long time. That’s not accurate. 99% of this deal is in place.”
Wingo also said that his sources say Rodgers is going to be in NY next week.
Here's the vid of Wingo talking about today's news. Interesting conversation from the NY perspective. First 14 mins is the Rodgers talk.
GB is getting NY’s 2023 13th 1st round pick and 2024 2nd rounder and a player or all this goes into a drawn out drama. And that’s ok. Get the best deal.
Pretty sure any pick in 2024 will be conditional. If the Jets make the super bowl they will gladly give up the 2024 1st round pick.
@titmfatied posted:Thanks, NY Post. Put that pressure on for us.
The Big Cheese — Aaron Rodgers — will be Quarterback, New York Jets, once the Packers and Jets stop trying to win the leverage battle and make a deal that is in the interests of both teams.
If Jets GM Joe Douglas must surrender the 13th pick of the 2023 NFL Draft, so be it.
It is first-and-goal now for Woody Johnson and the Jets.
An Aaron Rodgers touchdown pass wins the game.
https://nypost.com/2023/03/15/...-now-close-the-deal/
Oh hell! With St. Patrick's Day two days away I sure hope they didn't use up all their green ink on that front page. 😎
@Boris posted:Yeah I know.....word has it the vote was 4-3
Who do you think voted to keep Rodgers last year?
Do you think it possibly may have been the guy that said...."Fans will come after me with pitchforks....."
I can guarantee you Gutey wanted Rodgers gone before last season
I'm just trying trying to say I don't think Murphy is the end all be all at the top of the organization chart. Get the impression a lot of people (not you) think he has the final say on all things. He has to play politics with his position and I don't think it's a good thing for football ops. Rather he and the committee dick around with parking lots and construction projects and let Gutey sink or swim with his personnel choices. Either trust him or don't, but don't cut him off at the knees with half measures.
After all these years, chutzpah is the chef's kiss for describing 12's personality foibles.