@GratefulPack posted:If the Packers didn't want him back, why the no NFC team restriction. If they are so confident with Love as the future, why worry if the 49ers win the super bowl next year? I understand if he was 35 but at 40?
Right I’ve never heard/read a quote from Packers FO they won’t trade to NFC. that is conventional wisdom, but this isn’t a conventional situation. Take best trade outside of NFCN.
@Boris posted:Hahah you think there are no more buyers, you're wrong about that.
It's not stubborn. It's called negotiation.
I don't have to sell right now - you are trying to show a position of power but I have something you want - you don't get to dictate terms.
Yes, there must be more interested teams. Find one or two, let them contact AR and convince him to listen.
@Boris posted:Yeah they could wheel out Matt Ryan in a wheelchair or they can sign Lamar Jackson and be back to zero quarterbacks after he gets hurt in three games.
Good luck with all of that.
Now I have an idea What if the Jets make a trade with the Niners for Trey Lance??
Lance isn't ready to take them anywhere this season and what is his price tag? He'll cost the #13 pick for sure. The Jets really have no other options, they are dealing with a window of opportunity just like all teams. Guys like Ryan and Wentz should scare them into giving the Packers what they want as compensation.
@Tschmack posted:As for the Packers, if the Jets option fell through you still have Raiders and Washington and Tampa and Atlanta and Colts and maybe others that will need a QB.
The Raiders have moved on. I don't think they ever really wanted Rodgers.
@PackerRick posted:. The Jets really have no other options,
Plus as others have pointed out they already signed Lazard and how long before Lewis signs?
LMAO.....Which side is negotiating in bad faith? I think they initially offered the #13 overall and then pulled it back with the 2nd rounder, 4th rounder and Corey Davis.
@BrainDed posted:Cool.. Now tell me the Packers other options. Have him show up to camp and say I'll take my 60 million in ones please and have Jordan load them in my golf cart.
You're more likely to show up to the Packers camp to play QB than Rodgers. He knows he's not wanted. The Packer will send him somewhere else. He doesn't have a no trade. If he refuses a trade what happens?
@BrainDed posted:I Just explained my opinion on that above. They know he can not return to the Packers... The Packers have two options, trade him to the Jets or HOPE he retires and get nothing.
If your home is in forclosure, and you have no other buyers, I ain't paying fair market value. You can get what I offer or you get nothing.
What makes you think there are no other buyers? Rodgers is basically off the market while the Jets and Packers work a deal but if it collapses there will be other teams.
@PackerRick posted:What makes you think there are no other buyers? Rodgers is basically off the market while the Jets and Packers work a deal but if it collapses there will be other teams.
Why wait?
News Flash: SF has nothing to give in that fantasy scenario. They have a bunch of 3's, 5's and 7's and you can't trade comp picks. They'd have to offer players with some key value, which I don't think they'd do if they're trying to win a SB this year.
Time is a great tool and speeding up or slowing down the process can either add to or reduce your leverage.
The Packers can afford to slow things down. The Jets really can’t. Could you imagine the outrage if this deal falls through because the Jets don’t want to give up a 1 and 2 instead of a 2 and 4 (hypothetically)?
Jets fans may boycott the season. The owner knows this. Not to mention the GM is already on the hot seat. You think he cares about the 13th overall pick and another 2nd rounder next year? Woody Johnson has stuck his neck out on this. He’ll clean house and fire the entire FO if they can’t get this done and get it done quickly.
@BrainDed posted:I do.. and you could have sold your 500k home for 1.5 million last year but you were too stubborn. Now you can get 300k and start building a new future. If you choose stubborness again you get $0 and your family suffers even more because of it.
But you are principled. Good for you. Take your principled ass to the bread line.
Why does it need to be sold if he bought it for $500K and $300K is owed on it? Just stay, the payments are the same
@Tschmack posted:Been through many contract negotiations in my line of work, including 1st chair several times, so know a little bit about leverage and how it works in trying to reach agreement.
The Jets made some blunders by showing their hand too early 1) by hiring Hackett 2) making a public spectacle out of the visit to Cali with no framework deal in place and 3) not at least mentioning or selling some interest in Carr or Jimmy G.
It was clear weeks ago that Rodgers was their one and only target.
Not to mention GB already has their QB and they have time on their side! And many GBP fans are ready to move on.
The Packers clearly have more leverage in this situation because they don’t have to run for the door to force a decision. The Jets do because Rodgers needs to get acclimated with a new city and new team and new players and the fan pressure and organizational angst will ramp up every day that this drags on.
Rodgers also made a huge blunder today by saying he wouldn’t return to GB but retire. Again, that helps the Packers position big time.
The people like Brandt or other proven FO people know this. GB holds most if not all the cards right now.
Smokeshow wife?
@Floridarob posted:If he shows up in Green Bay, they could do what the 49ers did with Jimmy G. Tell him you go practice over there by your self. Here is a bottled water for you. They do not have to decide until 1st game of the year in September. By then, nobody will care.
Or they could do what they did with Favre when he actually did show up on Family Night and try to unretire. Drop kick his ass out of town.
@DH13 posted:News Flash: SF has nothing to give in that fantasy scenario. They have a bunch of 3's, 5's and 7's and you can't trade comp picks. They'd have to offer players with some key value, which I don't think they'd do if they're trying to win a SB this year.
They can trade comp picks and SF just got 4 of them in the 3rd round.
@DH13 posted:News Flash: SF has nothing to give in that fantasy scenario. They have a bunch of 3's, 5's and 7's and you can't trade comp picks. They'd have to offer players with some key value, which I don't think they'd do if they're trying to win a SB this year.
Comp picks are tradable, the NFL removed that restriction a few years back.
@BrainDed posted:I do.. and you could have sold your 500k home for 1.5 million last year but you were too stubborn. Now you can get 300k and start building a new future. If you choose stubborness again you get $0 and your family suffers even more because of it.
But you are principled. Good for you. Take your principled ass to the bread line.
We all know the FO f'd up last year when they didn't dump him. Moving on...
Even if we get nothing for Rodgers this year, he's not coming back. GB wins by subtraction of distraction. Would it be great to get something like two 1's or a 2 and 4 or even a warm case of beer? Sure, but it may not happen. The FO could get nothing and then everyone can yell and scream how they screwed up, but in the big scheme of things, they didn't lose anything except some of the cap hit and potential picks -- and draft picks are never guarantees.
Frankly, I couldn't care less if they get anything for him. (Although, I'd like a warm case of premium beer, not just Pabst if that's the deal.) Just get him out of town. He's been a great QB, a great Packers player, one of the best ever, and has turned into a lousy diva who wants everyone in GB to bow to his whims.
@Boris posted:I'd rather burn it to the ground then give it to you for what you're offering below fair market value. I ain't blinking over here. If you want it, that's my price. Pay it or go away.
Pretty simple. Packers don't need this done today or even next week. Jets however need it done.
I think I've explained my opinion clearly.
See how this works?
What home in foreclosure sells for Fair Market Value? And if you burn a house down while in foreclosure you won't have to worry about where you live. And you won't need to worry about the bars on your windows or what you are going to eat.
There is a rash of straw houses being hastily built and quickly burnt to the ground in the last few pages of this thread.
Yo guys the house analogy has lost the plot a bit innit.
Rodgers is no Favre. Favre despised Thompson and Rodgers. Rodgers would've liked a better relationship with Gutekunst, and he actually seems to like Love. Rodgers told A LOT of people today that he wants to play, and intends to play for the Jets. He also said how much he loves GB, the fans, and all the friends he has in the organization. Favre tearfully retired, went on Letterman with a cryptic somethings bound to happen comment, then flew in during Family Weekend to take the spotlight. Rodgers had a front row seat for that and has often inferred he learned a lot from that experience. He wants to be mentioned in the same breath as Starr for not only on the field but also off. I expect this to end very amicably.
It jumped the shark.
@H5 posted:Rodgers is no Favre. Favre despised Thompson and Rodgers. Rodgers would've liked a better relationship with Gutekunst, and he actually seems to like Love. Rodgers told A LOT of people today that he wants to play, and intends to play for the Jets. He also said how much he loves GB, the fans, and all the friends he has in the organization. Favre tearfully retired, went on Letterman with a cryptic somethings bound to happen comment, then flew in during Family Weekend to take the spotlight. Rodgers had a front row seat for that and has often inferred he learned a lot from that experience. He wants to be mentioned in the same breath as Starr for not only on the field but also off. I expect this to end very amicably.
You make a lot of sense. When we can keep you from the creepy search terms in your cache!
Sure the situation with Rodgers and GB isn't as toxic as the Favre situation... but say GB plays hardball for picks and backs out of the NYJ thing?
"Sorry Aaron, didn't work out, you're gonna have to go ahead and retire"
Yeah that ain't gonna work. At that point why wouldn't he show up and threaten to hold a clipboard for 50 million?
The Packers "leverage" as far as being able to trade him somewhere else is a mirage. Because Rodgers can threaten to retire. Doesn't matter if he would actually follow through or not. A team calls up, works out a deal for Rodgers, gives him a call and Rodgers is like "Nope, I will retire", well then the deal doesn't go through. And Rodgers doesn't have to retire, and he can put on his own Favre show.
Call another team.
@DH13 posted:News Flash: SF has nothing to give in that fantasy scenario. They have a bunch of 3's, 5's and 7's and you can't trade comp picks. They'd have to offer players with some key value, which I don't think they'd do if they're trying to win a SB this year.
I believe that the shield changed the rule about comp picks. Not that it matters. I don’t see them as a trade partner anymore.
A lot of you are projecting doom-n-gloom scenarios with this that will never happen. As many others like Andrew Brandt have pointed out, who has far more knowledge and experience than any of us do, the Packers will get this done. The Jets will get it done. Both teams will move on and get what they ultimately want.
The Jets don't get this far only for the Packers to pull some bait and switch and somehow fuck them over with some insane demands. Few teams, if any, would ever do business with GB and the Packers are well aware of it. That's not happening.
But certain folks in the media who love clicks and likes will do all they can to and get both fan bases riled up.
R-E-L-A-X.
Preach
@packerboi posted:A lot of you are projecting doom-n-gloom scenarios with this that will never happen. As many others like Andrew Brandt have pointed out, who has far more knowledge and experience than any of us do, the Packers will get this done. The Jets will get it done. Both teams will move on and get what they ultimately want.
The Jets don't get this far only for the Packers to pull some bait and switch and somehow fuck them over with some insane demands. Few teams, if any, would ever do business with GB and the Packers are well aware of it. That's not happening.
But certain folks in the media who love clicks and likes will do all they can to
and get both fan bases riled up.
R-E-L-A-X.
One man’s insane demands are another’s pragmatic request
@PackerRick posted:They can trade comp picks and SF just got 4 of them in the 3rd round.
Then they changed the rule. And ooooh those 3rd rounders are right in Gutes wheelhouse!
@H5 posted:Rodgers is no Favre. Favre despised Thompson and Rodgers. Rodgers would've liked a better relationship with Gutekunst, and he actually seems to like Love. Rodgers told A LOT of people today that he wants to play, and intends to play for the Jets. He also said how much he loves GB, the fans, and all the friends he has in the organization. Favre tearfully retired, went on Letterman with a cryptic somethings bound to happen comment, then flew in during Family Weekend to take the spotlight. Rodgers had a front row seat for that and has often inferred he learned a lot from that experience. He wants to be mentioned in the same breath as Starr for not only on the field but also off. I expect this to end very amicably.
In addition, Favre had his entire trashy family in his ear about how he was getting screwed. AR was very rational today when he said that no one in the front office was there when he was drafted. IDK how many people really got that point. Love is Gute's boy, he drafted him. He can't take credit for AR.It isn't anything personal, it is just human nature. Much like a new GM wanting his own HC.
@H5 posted:Rodgers is no Favre. Favre despised Thompson and Rodgers. Rodgers would've liked a better relationship with Gutekunst, and he actually seems to like Love. Rodgers told A LOT of people today that he wants to play, and intends to play for the Jets. He also said how much he loves GB, the fans, and all the friends he has in the organization. Favre tearfully retired, went on Letterman with a cryptic somethings bound to happen comment, then flew in during Family Weekend to take the spotlight. Rodgers had a front row seat for that and has often inferred he learned a lot from that experience. He wants to be mentioned in the same breath as Starr for not only on the field but also off. I expect this to end very amicably.
Hasn't that ship already sailed?
I have a very hard time believing the compensation wasn't worked out before Woody flew his Jet to CA. If it wasn't, it was very amatuerish on both sides even when taking into account the people involved. If one side is holding up bc they are trying to get more then it shows something else about them.
@Pikes Peak posted:The good news is we will be doing all this again….in 15 years.
@Boris posted:That would NOT be a bad thing!
If Green Bay wins a SB with Love, Love needs to then look to be traded to an up and coming team. See: Favre, Rodgers for examples why. GB seems to coast for some reason after winning the big one.
@BrainDed posted:Right.. So what do the Packers get in a scenario where he is not traded to the Jets? Your answer is the leverage the Jets have.
Similarly, what do the Jets have if the Packers don't trade him to the Jets. Your answer is the leverage the Pack has
Sounds like a Mexican standoff.
What do the Fans have if the Packers don't trade him to the Jets. Your answer has to be in the form of a question.
Much more apt to believe the Jets are trying to take away from what they once offered than the Packers asking for more 1st rounders.
That is classic Jets -- Pack.dont do that shit
@GratefulPack posted:I have a very hard time believing the compensation wasn't worked out before Woody flew his Jet to CA. If it wasn't, it was very amatuerish on both sides even when taking into account the people involved. If one side is holding up bc they are trying to get more then it shows something else about them.
So the Packers are holding this up because the Jets want to give less shows something else about them?
