Aaron Rodgers traded to the NY Jets

@Herschel posted:

Again, get over Jordy was on the decline, not a single person is saying otherwise, but the guy they got to fill that receiving role (red zone and possession guy) was more expensive, not young, sent a bad message to players on the team and even less useful.

If you want to play the position semantics game, we look at Sternberger just before McLaurin, but J’Mon Moore was taken 4 picks before Dalton Schultz.

Gutekunst made an utter mess of the receiver room from multiple angles.

You can hindsight every GM but most of the WRs he acquired are playing or played long enough to get a pension. Talking late round picks as comparison almost makes me laugh because I think of a comment Mike Shanahan made once. The interviewer said to him he was pretty smart to pick up Terrell Davis in the 6th round. His comment? If we were that smart we wouldn't have passed on him 5 times. So 32 GMs passed on Dalton Schultz multiple times just like Gute. And the Moore pick got covered with MVS a round later. It's called a crap shoot for a reason.

Gute vs Joe Douglas

So Rodgers is the ball?

Re: the backup for Love.

I think they will bring in some vet that's OK with the mentor role, Flacco, etc. But they should also use a flier on someone in the draft as a longer term backup.

Anyone thinking Etling or Benkert is or should be the backup might as well be prepared to be disappointed. PS is the ceiling for these guys and Benkert can make more money in gaming than he can as a PS guy.

@PackerHawk posted:

Re: the backup for Love.

I think they will bring in some vet that's OK with the mentor role, Flacco, etc. But they should also use a flier on someone in the draft as a longer term backup.

Anyone thinking Etling or Benkert is or should be the backup might as well be prepared to be disappointed. PS is the ceiling for these guys and Benkert can make more money in gaming than he can as a PS guy.

They will bring in someone who the fans will not want to see play.  They can't have people clamoring for the backup if Love starts off rocky.  People love Benkert so all the  more reason it won't be him (plus QB's like him grow on trees).

Flacco or Ryan would probably be fine as vet backups that nobody has an interest in seeing play but could be a good vet presence, if they go that route.

Matt Ryan won an MVP in 2016 and took the Falcons to the Super Bowl (where they eventually blew a 28-3 lead).

The offensive coordinator of that Falcons team was Kyle Shanahan. The QBs coach was Matt LeFleur.

Ryan is the ideal guy to come in and be a backup. He's obviously well past his prime, but he's not too far gone that he couldn't help you for a short stretch and not embarrass himself (that Colts line was so bad this year it's unfair to put much into his performance there). Even then they were much better with him than without him. Ryan was 4-7-1 as the Colts starter and the team was 0-5 when he didn't play.

He's not a threat to take over, knows MLF and the system very well, played at an MVP level in the system they want to run, and seems like the kind of guy that could be a QB coach or an OC in the NFL once he retires.

Not sure why you pay for a veteran backup. Love isn't a rookie. He's been here 3 years. He played under one of the best to play the game. Not sure he needs any mentoring. What's a vet gonna do? Say "Throw the ball better" ?

Clipboard management.

That is what the QB coach is for

@vitaflo posted:

They will bring in someone who the fans will not want to see play.

Boyle.

@WolfPack posted:

Not sure why you pay for a veteran backup. Love isn't a rookie. He's been here 3 years. He played under one of the best to play the game. Not sure he needs any mentoring. What's a vet gonna do? Say "Throw the ball better" ?

If Love had to miss a couple games a vet could manage the game for a couple weeks and maybe win.

@WolfPack posted:

Not sure why you pay for a veteran backup. Love isn't a rookie. He's been here 3 years. He played under one of the best to play the game. Not sure he needs any mentoring. What's a vet gonna do? Say "Throw the ball better" ?

A bit simplistic doncha think ?

As DCs around the league get some film on Love - they'll throw all kinds of crazy stuff at him to test his mettle.

That's when a vet QB is most useful because he's been in the fire before. Clements and MLF were QBs too, but that was ages ago and defenses have changed immensely since then.

On game day, MLF is busy with other tasks, while the vet QB can help Love. There's certainly a value; which is why you see so many teams paying big bucks to get em on board.

Just yesterday, Vic Fangio was just bragging on the new coverage he invented. MLF associates can help break that down during the week, but on game day you want the vet brains pitching in.

Spotrac lists 37 FA QBs
They range from guys I've never heard of to long-established veterans.
It seems the majority are in their middle 20's, and a few in their mid-to-later 30's, and not many in between.

Fairly slim pickin's, too. I understand the benefit of having someone like Ryan as a backup, but is he/are they affordable?
Spotrac also shows the FAs who have already been signed and their contract info. It looks like at least $4m/year just to buy in, and anybody halfway decent is $6M-$8M/year.

What do you guys/gals think about Mason Rudolph? He's the most recognizable of the middle/later 20's guys.
Brandon Allen?
Jeff Driskell?
Or any of the younger guys listed.

Calling my shot for @Satori

Pack gets #13 and 43, 2024 3rd and 2025 3rd

Jets get Arod and #15

Wait.

You want to shoot Sartori?

Come at the king, you best not miss...

King of……what?

Big brains?

Wishful thinking.

@PackerRick posted:

You can hindsight every GM but most of the WRs he acquired are playing or played long enough to get a pension. Talking late round picks as comparison almost makes me laugh because I think of a comment Mike Shanahan made once. The interviewer said to him he was pretty smart to pick up Terrell Davis in the 6th round. His comment? If we were that smart we wouldn't have passed on him 5 times. So 32 GMs passed on Dalton Schultz multiple times just like Gute. And the Moore pick got covered with MVS a round later. It's called a crap shoot for a reason.

You don't even have to play out your rookie contract to be vested, and if Rodgers doen't get picked up next year, the numberrs will be even.

J'Mon Moore - One year, Couldn't play. Not vested. Contributed nothing to team.

MVS - Decent deep threat, but limited. Best of the bunch and still wasn't offered a second contract. Averaged 30 catches/season but at least was the home run swing

ESB - Moving from back end of bad receiver room to bad receiver room Contributed almost nothing, wasn't offered a second contract.

Jace Sternberger - Got about a season's games in the league, couldn't play. Not vested. Contributed nothing.

Josiah Deguara - Kind of an H-Back without much skill. Vested. Doesn't contribute much, averaging 13 receptions per season, but does some dirty work.

Amari Rodgers - Couldn't even get through half his rookie contract, fumbled his way out of the job he was given a chance to contribute in, got picked up by a bottom-feeding Texans with basically nothing else besides a banged up Cooks and managed 12 catches. Lucky if he gets vested.

These are the guys who should have a couple core members of their receiving corps and only one with his 13 catches/season is still even on the team. That's not being unfair in hindsight, that's pointing out his futility in building a roster group.

MVS was clearly a cap casualty the Packers would have brought back just like Lazard. We have no cap room thanks to one monster contract.                                               But you're talking about players taken in the 3rd round or later. Do you think any GM is hitting on all those picks. Moore is the only one that won't get a pension of the ones you listed.                                                                                                     

NFL players must play for three seasons before they can be eligible to receive a pension. That's when he'll be considered vested. Meaning he's eligible to receive benefits negotiated under the CBA.

But what's considered a season? The NFL player must be on a team's roster for at least three games (regular season or postseason).

For each season the player plays, he earns credits. The more credits, the greater his pension amount. So, the amount NFL players make after retirement will vary.

Considering how much cap space they cleared already this offseason, your "cap casualty" doesn't hold water.

Let's see, Robert Brooks (3), Mark Chmura (5), Bill Schroeder(5), Antonio Freeman(3), Corey Bradford(5), Donald Driver(7), Charles Lee(7), James Jones(3), Andrew Quarles (5), Jermichael Finley(3), Richard Rodgers(3) and Ty Montgomery(3) were as successful or more so than anyone on the list.

Heck, take out MVS and add David Clowny , Ryan Taylor, Trevor Davis and Brett Swain to the "just as successful" list.

It's not expecting all of them to succeed, but at least a couple of them should be decent contributors to the team at this point. The receivers are garbage and that's not Rodgers' fault.

@PackerRick posted:

Boyle.

Is Brett Hundley available?

How much cap space has been cleared considering the day Rodgers gets traded another $9 mil goes against the cap?                                                                                         I just looked at the first two rounds of the 20 and 21 drafts an almost half the WRs have produced nothing, Toney and Moore were even traded.                               In the last 5 Packer drafts 37 of 48 players drafted ended 2022 on an NFL roster, two retired, Madison and Stepaniak. Moore and Stenberger were the only two WR/TE that didn't make it although Jake might still be bouncing around. Lazard and Tonyan covered those failures. I just don't see where Gute is doing such a bad job.                                                                                                                        You're unhappy because Gute didn't draft more WRs for Rodgers but he had enough talent around him to win 2 MVPs. Ask him, he'll tell you.

@RochNyFan posted:

Is Brett Hundley available?

Vegas Vipers but was actually active for the Ravens for the final game of 2023. Possible Lamar Jackson replacement.

Swapping 15 for 13 and whatever for Rodgers? Bullshit.

@PackerRick posted:

If Love had to miss a couple games a vet could manage the game for a couple weeks and maybe win.

All this talk is so 1980's. So depressing

@Satori posted:

A bit simplistic doncha think ?

As DCs around the league get some film on Love - they'll throw all kinds of crazy stuff at him to test his mettle.

That's when a vet QB is most useful because he's been in the fire before. Clements and MLF were QBs too, but that was ages ago and defenses have changed immensely since then.

On game day, MLF is busy with other tasks, while the vet QB can help Love. There's certainly a value; which is why you see so many teams paying big bucks to get em on board.

Just yesterday, Vic Fangio was just bragging on the new coverage he invented. MLF associates can help break that down during the week, but on game day you want the vet brains pitching in.

This is even more depressing. Man have we been spoiled.

@PackerRick posted:

How much cap space has been cleared considering the day Rodgers gets traded another $9 mil goes against the cap?                                                                                         I just looked at the first two rounds of the 20 and 21 drafts an almost half the WRs have produced nothing, Toney and Moore were even traded.                               In the last 5 Packer drafts 37 of 48 players drafted ended 2022 on an NFL roster, two retired, Madison and Stepaniak. Moore and Stenberger were the only two WR/TE that didn't make it although Jake might still be bouncing around. Lazard and Tonyan covered those failures. I just don't see where Gute is doing such a bad job.                                                                                                                        You're unhappy because Gute didn't draft more WRs for Rodgers but he had enough talent around him to win 2 MVPs. Ask him, he'll tell you.

No. I'm unhappy because of the indentation issues you have on your posts. Whatever is causing it has become a distraction and is taking away from the content of your posts.

@Tavis Smiley posted:

No. I'm unhappy because of the indentation issues you have on your posts. Whatever is causing it has become a distraction and is taking away from the content of your posts.

      Yeah, he should stop that, that, well whatever you're upset over.

So stop it!

     That whatver it is, for Tavis.

Then again     no one should    come    between a man and his   inden, inden, inden  whatever.

@PackerRick posted:

How much cap space has been cleared considering the day Rodgers gets traded another $9 mil goes against the cap?                                                                                         I just looked at the first two rounds of the 20 and 21 drafts an almost half the WRs have produced nothing, Toney and Moore were even traded.                               In the last 5 Packer drafts 37 of 48 players drafted ended 2022 on an NFL roster, two retired, Madison and Stepaniak. Moore and Stenberger were the only two WR/TE that didn't make it although Jake might still be bouncing around. Lazard and Tonyan covered those failures. I just don't see where Gute is doing such a bad job.                                                                                                                        You're unhappy because Gute didn't draft more WRs for Rodgers but he had enough talent around him to win 2 MVPs. Ask him, he'll tell you.

1. The Packers are 24 million under the cap. 24-9 = 15.

2. Lazard and Tonyan were fine replacements for quality draft picks that would be the core of the receiver room? I look forward to their contributions to the Packers this season.

Rodgers won two MVPs for doing a whole lot with relatively little. Adams was/is great, and I love me some Aaron Jones. but it's been a running theme that receiving talent was incredibly thin since Gutekunst took over.

@Tavis Smiley posted:

No. I'm unhappy because of the indentation issues you have on your posts. Whatever is causing it has become a distraction and is taking away from the content of your posts.

                                                                                                    It can't be that bad if you're still reading the posts.

The Packers want the deal done. The jets want the deal done. Rodgers wants the deal done. You would think these mofo's would get the deal done!

@Fedya posted:

Brooke could bring home the bacon and fry it up boy howdy

Also could bring home the bacon:

If we beat the all-time record for the longest thread with some of the posting that is going on around here it will be a shallow victory ! Now lets get back on track..   "Grinder for admin. 2024"     

@Packiderm posted:

The Packers want the deal done. The jets want the deal done. Rodgers wants the deal done. You would think these mofo's would get the deal done!

If the Jets wanted the deal done, it would have already been done.

@GBFanForLife posted:

If the Jets wanted the deal done, it would have already been done.

Correct. #12 with all his drama isn't worth what GB brass thinks he is. GB should give him away for a 3rd round pick. Show Love some real support and move on already.

I assume you meant, "If the Jets wanted the deal done with terms they were willing to accept, it would have already been done."