@Packiderm posted:Caught him icing his cookies.
That makes more sense.
@packerboi posted:Latest:
Two insiders are confident that the trade sending Aaron Rodgers from the Green Bay Packers to the New York Jets will get done before the 2023 NFL draft.
Albert Breer of SI.com reported the deal could get done this week and will “certainly” be done before the draft.
Dan Graziano of ESPN reported that much of the deal is already “done,” and a trade that doesn’t include the Jets’ 2023 first-rounder will be finished before the draft.
The first round of the 2023 draft begins on Thursday, April 27, giving the Packers and Jets exactly four weeks – or roughly a month – to complete the deal.
Graziano heard from multiple sources that the Packers are not dead set on getting the 13th overall pick in the trade, which aligns with what Gutekunst said in Phoenix earlier this week.
The Packers still believe Rodgers is a premier player and are attempting to get maximum compensation in return, even if a first-round pick in 2023 isn’t involved. It’s looking more and more likely that a second-round pick in 2023 and conditional picks in 2024 and even 2025 will be involved in the final deal.
But we are entitled to pick #13!
We have all the leverage!!
I read that daily on some forum!!!
@GBFanForLife posted:In a dark room?
with black curtains
@YATittle posted:Who do we use for a backup to Love?
We draft his replacement! He isn't any good anyway, as I've read from numerous posters since at least the game against the Chiefs.
@Thunderbird posted:with black curtains
Near the station
@Fedya posted:Doesn't Satori have Goalline blocked too?
Not sure why you don’t all have me blocked.
I have everyone EXCEPT you blocked.
Rich Eisen is beyond annoying. And the fact he’s New York guy and Michigan fan oh boy. Fuck him.
@Tschmack posted:Rich Eisen is beyond annoying. And the fact he’s New York guy and Michigan fan oh boy. Fuck him.
He’s actually a Jets fan too. I’d rather watch Skip Bayless.
Oh, and I don’t have Tschmack blocked.
Truth to power!
@Goalline posted:He’s actually a Jets fan too. I’d rather watch Skip Bayless.
It seems like all these talking heads are Jets fans so we're getting the Jets perspective on what fair compensation is.
For a Wisconsin perspective I thought the 10:00 AM hour of Wilde and Tausch today was an interesting discussion. Particularly the Jordy part that starts at 15:42
@titmfatied posted:For a Wisconsin perspective I thought the 10:00 AM hour of Wilde and Tausch today was an interesting discussion. Particularly the Jordy part that starts at 15:42
The Jordy stuff from that kinda makes me wonder now if that was why Davante left, then MVS left, then Lazard left. IE, Packers like to move on before you're ready, so move on from them first so you're not caught off guard.
MVS and Lazard left for mo’ money.
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Wilde with an article on why MLF opted to retain Barry as DC
https://madison.com/sports/foo...9e-a82437a5bdd4.html
Why is this in the AR thread ?
Because I've been thinking about this for awhile and if AR was coming back and GB was gonna take one more swing...
Then changing DCs is sort of counterproductive in the short term even if its an upgrade over the long term. MLF was in a tough spot
@Satori posted:.
Wilde with an article on why MLF opted to retain Barry as DC
https://madison.com/sports/foo...9e-a82437a5bdd4.html
Why is this in the AR thread ?
Because I've been thinking about this for awhile and if AR was coming back and GB was gonna take one more swing...Then changing DCs is sort of counterproductive in the short term even if its an upgrade over the long term. MLF was in a tough spot
While they would never say it, I think these coaches are thinking much longer term than we give them credit for. Let's face it, the Packers aren't a Super Bowl threat this year and Barry, while incredibly frustrating in his approach, isn't incompetent (like Drayton on STs in 2021 was). He's just a run-of-the-mill C-/D+ coach pretty similar to about 40 other competent DC guys in the league (that are either DC or position coaches throughout the NFL).
The problem MLF runs into is that he's a young guy and, deep down, he knows Green Bay isn't his last stop. He is probably not here in 5 years, so he'll eventually want to find his next job (likely as an OC or QB coach for someone else). If you fire guys too often, you reduce your chances of getting that next job because you piss someone off.
There is no way you could logically say that Vic Fangio wouldn't be worth pursuing as an upgrade. But in many ways, MLF has very little pressure on him this coming year. As long as they win at least 6-7 games and Love looks semi-competent, then it will be considered at worst a year investing in your next QB. I guess if they implode and go something like 2-15 he could be in trouble, but I don't think Love will be anywhere near that bad.
@vitaflo posted:The Jordy stuff from that kinda makes me wonder now if that was why Davante left, then MVS left, then Lazard left. IE, Packers like to move on before you're ready, so move on from them first so you're not caught off guard.
Jordy was a shadow of his former self when he left. MVS and Lazard are just guys. They aren't difference makers.
They wanted to keep Adams and were going to make him the highest paid WR in the league.
The Packers kept Donald Driver on for a farewell tour in 2012 when he was a waste of a roster spot. That's worse than moving on a year too early.
It wasn't an either/or with Jordy and Adams. That was the point. It may have been an either/or with Jimmy Graham, but it's hard to think Jordy would have been less productive than him, and was likely a better blocker. Ole'ham was a washed-up mess and Jordy would have been cheaper.
@vitaflo posted:The Jordy stuff from that kinda makes me wonder now if that was why Davante left, then MVS left, then Lazard left. IE, Packers like to move on before you're ready, so move on from them first so you're not caught off guard.
Adams wanted to get to the west coast and it didn't hurt that Carr would be his QB. But I think he saw another aspect of the NFL that all franchises move on when Carr didn't even last the season when he was the one that recruited him to LV. Management doesn't care, they are going to run their business. That radio show sounded like a couple Jordy homers. They raved about Nelson's 63 catches but he had only 3 TDs, his Y/R was well below his career average and he was released after the season. Hardly an endorsement that Gute made a mistake letting him walk.
What was Green Bay gonna take another swing at? Another playoff loss?
@antooo posted:I've always had problems with your swim move.
Most do. It’s a stereotype that we can’t swim. We just do it on the football field.😉
@Herschel posted:It wasn't an either/or with Jordy and Adams. That was the point. It may have been an either/or with Jimmy Graham, but it's hard to think Jordy would have been less productive than him, and was likely a better blocker. Ole'ham was a washed-up mess and Jordy would have been cheaper.
I must have missed all those games Jordy played TE. 
Graham also had two real solid if not good seasons before signing w/ GB. He stepped onto the field at Lambeau and literally hit the wall for his career. Unfortunate.
@PackerRick posted:That radio show sounded like a couple Jordy homers. They raved about Nelson's 63 catches but he had only 3 TDs, his Y/R was well below his career average and he was released after the season. Hardly an endorsement that Gute made a mistake letting him walk.
The non-blocking, plodding replacement of JimmyGraham had 55 catches and 2 TDS. Jordy almost assuredly has better stats in Green Bay. It’s not like Jordy wasn’t in decline, it’s that his target replacement was even worse and the young guys to replace him were garbage.
If Graham had been a decent blocker and a more traditional TE it would have made more sense, but that was never his game.
Jordy was a great player in GB, but I was okay with when they let him go. It's always hard to let go of the great ones, but everyone has a shelf limit and football players have shorter than most. Graham wasn't a huge mistake, but he was a disappointment.
Back to MLF... essentially, the Rodgers trade is giving him another two years to prove he's an NFL head coach. Many here have said his success was due only to Rodgers' play; without Rodgers, he now has to prove that last year's record was because of Rodgers. He has this year as a wash with a new guy starting -- but he should be expected to win at least eight games -- but next year is really his prove-it year.
@Herschel posted:The non-blocking, plodding replacement of JimmyGraham had 55 catches and 2 TDS. Jordy almost assuredly has better stats in Green Bay. It’s not like Jordy wasn’t in decline, it’s that his target replacement was even worse and the young guys to replace him were garbage.
If Graham had been a decent blocker and a more traditional TE it would have made more sense, but that was never his game.
Graham played TE and had about the same stats Nelson had with the Raiders. Comparing a WR stats to a TE and coming up the same is quite telling. Graham was playing a different position in the offense to get those stats. The Raiders cut Nelson and his career was over. What does that say about Nelson's season with the Raiders? Graham was never brought in to replace Nelson. Our TEs at the time Kendricks, Rodgers, and the clown Bennett with only Kendricks being on the team the next season. We needed a TE. Lewis was brought in as the blocking TE.
Again, get over Jordy was on the decline, not a single person is saying otherwise, but the guy they got to fill that receiving role (red zone and possession guy) was more expensive, not young, sent a bad message to players on the team and even less useful.
If you want to play the position semantics game, we look at Sternberger just before McLaurin, but J’Mon Moore was taken 4 picks before Dalton Schultz.
Gutekunst made an utter mess of the receiver room from multiple angles.
Dusty Evely does a lot of film breakdown - here's a cool one showing AR's fantastic footwork in selling the fake
More from Dusty on AR throwing over the middle. Or not
https://247sports.com/nfl/gree...the-field-207552129/
"To answer this, I decided to go back to the beginning of the 2019 season: Matt LaFleur's first year as head coach in Green Bay. After all, that's when the "new wave" of offense came in, so it seemed like a natural starting point.
Over that time, Rodgers has targeted the middle of the field on 38.5% of his attempts (~12.5 attempts per game), completing 77.3% of his passes for 9.0 YPA. That seems good! During that time, the rest of the league has targeted the middle of the field on 46.0% of their attempts (~15.7 per game), completing 74.1% of passes for 8.0 YPA.
That puts Rodgers completing passes 3.2 percentage points above the rest of the league, gaining 1 more yard per attempt than the rest of the league, but targeting that area 7.5 percentage points less.
...I could dive more in-depth, but they're all different ways to tell the same story. No matter how you slice it - no matter what depth of the middle of the field you're looking at - Rodgers has performed better than the rest of the league when he targets the middle of the field, but he targets the field at a much lower clip than the rest of the league. "