@PackerRick posted:I think you're right. When Favre got traded that was a big deal. The Packers had a few thousand Favre jerseys in the warehouse that they could sell and keep the money but they couldn't produce any more since he was with a different team.
I did not know that. Interesting. Makes sense.
@Goalline posted:Not sure why he wouldn’t go to Vegas. They are loaded with veteran receivers, and the last time the Packers were looking for a head coach he talked up Josh McDaniels.
Edit: it was reported that Rodgers preferred Josh McDaniels for the Packers head job in 2019.
Wasn't it Brady who said Rodgers would throw for 10,000 yards or something in the Pats offense?
That’s right! Rodgers had Brady envy.😊
@H5 posted:Wasn't it Brady who said Rodgers would throw for 10,000 yards or something in the Pats offense?
With the caveat that Rodgers has as much talent as anyone who ever took a snap in the NFL, that's Brady wishing he had Rodgers talent and all of us wishing Aaron had Brady's commitment. The right QB on the right team wins the 3-4 games that matter most at the end of the season. I have no doubt Brady under 12's excact circumstances over the last decade finds a way to put more trophies in the case at 1265.
Brady cares more about how he'll be remembered and Rodgers cares more about how he'll be perceived. One's immortal, the other's an enigma and they both got exactly what they worked towards.
Brady never cared about being the smartest guy in the room, he wanted to be the last QB standing. Rodgers tanned his ego on his accolades. He was comfortable feeling the MVP did enough and someone else let him down. His reflections center on other's shortcomings instead of his own.
Favre in 07 didn't have close to what 12 did in 20 and 21. Shit human as he turned out to be, I thought 4's doubts centered around whether he could be good enough for the talent on the team. 12's doubts are about whether the team is worthy enough for his impossible standards.
4 had a bad habit of lying about how the team had more talent than it actually did. 12 makes sure the other 52 know exactly and particularly how they don't live up to his lofty championship worthy standards. If you spend all your time emphasizing how imperfect and undeserving developing players are the one's that aren't the 1% of the best will meet those lowered expectations.
I have a sneaking suspicion the egomaniac credits his tough love for how great 17 became and is all too eager to test other young guy's worthiness by making them walk through the fire. 12 is looking for the next Survivor winner for his circle of friendship instead of getting the best out of the worst guy in the group.
That works when you might be developing a four year relationship where you both benefit by the end of year four, but when you're selling everyone with an ear drum that they'll be lucky if they get to tip toe around your endless bullshit for one more season consider a greater proportion of the 53 would be just as happy if you packed your sh!t and went on your way. Your dreams and legacy aren't everyone else's.
Part of taking the temperature of the team is getting a feel for if they're ready to play with the future QB. Those signals are getting stronger. People might dismiss the players saying Love is worthy of starting in the league but it's reflective of the feeling in the building towards the eternal grump.
Unless something has changed over the years that I'm not aware of, 100% of merchandise sales from the Packers Pro Shop stays with the team. I assume every team has something very similar.
The stuff that is sold in retail stores or websites goes into the revenue sharing pool.
@Timmy! posted:Unless something has changed over the years that I'm not aware of, 100% of merchandise sales from the Packers Pro Shop stays with the team. I assume every team has something very similar.
The stuff that is sold in retail stores or websites goes into the revenue sharing pool.
Visited the Colts stadium in 2011(we stayed in a hotel across the street). The pro shop was this little dumpy thing about 20 times smaller than Lambeau’s and we were the only people in there.
I get the McDaniels angle (concern), but Rodgers knows what he has in Adams and the stat padding would be enormous. Hell, look at Adams this past year with Carr throwing to him.
The rest of that offense is pretty good as well with Waller and Renfro and my guess is they could even add a Cobb or Lazard or Tonyan or Big Dog.
The key to Vegas is they have the 7th overall pick. If the Packers were to secure just that #1 it’s like having a 1 and a 2 or 2 1s given the value they could extract from another team. Or they could stay put and take a legit stud prospect OT or edge rusher at 7 and still have their own 1st in the middle of round 1 to take a TE or WR.
@Pikes Peak posted:Why would anyone laugh at Goff.
Goff cleaned the Packers clock, three games in a row, now. Goff is nothing to laugh at. He is a solid QB, for the Lions. Goff could lead the Lions to their first NFC North title, ever. I said last season, that the Lions are our biggest competition in the NFC North, and they are proving it.
AR talked about at his age it wasn't worth playing unless you had a chance to win the SB. The final 4 teams this season all had top 10 offenses and defenses. While AR can have impact on the offense, LV's defense was 26th this season. Is it realistic for them to go from 26th to top 10? Jets were 4th in defense. It would appear right now that the Jets are closer to being a contender that the Raiders.
Whoever the OC is in DET has Goff playing pretty well. He was "good enough" in McVay's offense until he wasn't anymore. He's limited and hasn't shown the ability to take over a game when they need him to. DET has figured out how to maximize what he does do well in making good quick decisions and delivering the ball efficiently and moving the chains. I don't know how long that's going to work for them before defenses figure out how to squeeze him and force him to make tougher throws. Depends on how their OL and WR's develop.
If the Packers have better QB play against the Lions all this Lions love is in your imagination
Dream from heaven.
@mrtundra posted:Goff cleaned the Packers clock, three games in a row, now. Goff is nothing to laugh at. He is a solid QB, for the Lions. Goff could lead the Lions to their first NFC North title, ever. I said last season, that the Lions are our biggest competition in the NFC North, and they are proving it.
Goff to me is the classic example of a QB who isn't a superstar but puts up some pretty decent numbers. Which makes him a great fit for the Lions. He also has some pretty decent receivers to work with and a pretty good OL.
I totally agree that if the Lions don't start acting like the Lions of the past could very well be the best team in the division. A whole lot of things will be happening before next year so it may be early to anoint them but worthy of keeping an eye on.
I heard a cool explanation for why Brady became the greatest QB in NFL history -he never got bored taking the easy throw. He gets the play, takes the snap, and will dump it down to the TE/RB for 4 yards every single time, without fail, if it's there. The explanation I heard was that most great QBs get bored with that and eventually skip over that progression and go for the big play. We've seen Rodgers do that. Brady apparently never did. Or rarely did it. It was why everyone called him a game manager for so long.
Obviously plenty more went into his greatness but I thought that was interesting, that Brady did what other great QBs didn't - stick with the easy stuff.
#Jets general manager Joe Douglas is admitting to people in the league that the team will "go all out" in order to trade for #Packers QB Aaron Rodgers, according to @PFN365 pic.twitter.com/t3whVu5WOt
— Dov Kleiman (@NFL_DovKleiman) February 2, 2023
Can't recall where this was posted, but it's a pretty damning piece about Rogers' failures in the fourth quarter of big games. It's an eye-opener, because we tend to think of him as great in the fourth quarter leading comebacks in the regular season. But, since 2019 in playoff games (this year's Lions game as one of them), he's pretty much failed. The stats are surprising, but are just another reason to jettison him and bring on Love.
A brutal but accurate assessment.
All out...they best be willing to deal us some tallant AND picks. In lieu of talent, I'll take extra picks.
Please football gods, make it happen.
@CUPackFan posted:I heard a cool explanation for why Brady became the greatest QB in NFL history -he never got bored taking the easy throw. He gets the play, takes the snap, and will dump it down to the TE/RB for 4 yards every single time, without fail, if it's there. The explanation I heard was that most great QBs get bored with that and eventually skip over that progression and go for the big play. We've seen Rodgers do that. Brady apparently never did. Or rarely did it. It was why everyone called him a game manager for so long.
Obviously plenty more went into his greatness but I thought that was interesting, that Brady did what other great QBs didn't - stick with the easy stuff.
Dude just wanted to win more than the rest of them. He did whatever it took without worrying about style points.
No one cares more about style points than Rodgers.
@Goalline posted:Dude just wanted to win more than the rest of them. He did whatever it took without worrying about style points.
No one cares more about style points than Rodgers.
I recently saw a lede for another story on Brady. It was something like "The thing that makes him extraordinary is that he's not. He's just better than everyone else." The gist was that he doesn't have exceptional physical talent or ability. He was just better than everyone else at being patient and accurate.
Of course patience and accuracy is only rewarded if you have scheme and talent to get guys open. Also doesn't hurt to have a D that is good enough to require you to only score in the mid-upper 20's to win. You don't have time to be patient if your D requires you to score in the 30's on a regular basis.
I've seen others in the past, probably going back to the 2000's after he won his 2nd or 3rd ring when analysts started picking apart his game because he was the new shiny QB. They pointed out his willingness to check down, all the way down the field on a regular basis.
I need someone to do a poll here: a. Do you want #12 to retire? b. Do you want #12 to be traded? C. Or do you want #12 to stay in GB? Once and for all I want to see where all you stand on him. I really want to see the numbers. Can someone please do this?? Much thanks. 
D…I want the best deal for the GBP.
Can't you make the poll yourself?
@Goalline posted:Young talent, please.
They won't deal us any of the 2nd or 3rd year guys...but a 28 year old WR1 would be a nice addition such as Corey Davis would be a good start...pick #13 and a 3rd or and a conditional future pick (if Rodgers players in 2024) is what I am thinking will be the price.
@Chongo posted:They won't deal us any of the 2nd or 3rd year guys...but a 28 year old WR1 would be a nice addition such as Corey Davis would be a good start...pick #13 and a 3rd or and a conditional future pick (if Rodgers players in 2024) is what I am thinking will be the price.
Well fuck them then. No Rodgers for them until we get a 2nd or 3rd year guy.
Should I create a poll for Goldie?
Yes - Thumbs Up
No - Thumbs Down
E: He should have been gone after last year's playoff failure
The Jets OL is a mess, they have minimal offensive talent. I doubt Rodgers would be willing to go there.
@Goalline posted:Dude just wanted to win more than the rest of them. He did whatever it took without worrying about style points.
No one cares more about style points than Rodgers.
Fans assume winning is the most important thing to a player. I'd be surprised if winning was the most important thing for even 10% of the NFL. It's money, then individual recognition, then probably winning. And I don't blame them, it's just the reality.
Show me the Benjamins.
@DH13 posted:I recently saw a lede for another story on Brady. It was something like "The thing that makes him extraordinary is that he's not. He's just better than everyone else." The gist was that he doesn't have exceptional physical talent or ability. He was just better than everyone else at being patient and accurate.
Of course patience and accuracy is only rewarded if you have scheme and talent to get guys open. Also doesn't hurt to have a D that is good enough to require you to only score in the mid-upper 20's to win. You don't have time to be patient if your D requires you to score in the 30's on a regular basis.
I've seen others in the past, probably going back to the 2000's after he won his 2nd or 3rd ring when analysts started picking apart his game because he was the new shiny QB. They pointed out his willingness to check down, all the way down the field on a regular basis.
Brady will go down as the GOAT. But, he was basically a guy that was good enough to take advantage of being in great situations. A handful of other guys would have done just as well (Brees, Payton, Rodgers come to mind)
1. Belichick as a defensive coordinator. Parcells is a HOF coach and his record with Belichick as his DC is what got him there. Parcells was 154-96 with two Super Bowl rings and another Super Bowl appearance with Belichick as an assistant. Parcells success was mostly Bill Belichick. Brady got that same benefit.
2. Gronkowski. The last 4 titles were all won on teams that had Gronk. I think Gronk might have missed one playoff run, but Brady's stats were very different with and without Gronk over the last 12 years of his career.
3. His statistics were very pedestrian in the Troy Aikman manner for the first three titles. There were a lot of similarities to Aikman in that you could have put probably any of about 10 QBs on those early 2000s Patriots teams and they would have also won. Brady was obviously good, but knew not to do anything stupid to screw things up. If you have flipped P. Manning and him in the early 2000s. Payton probably wins more rings with that Pat team.
4. His regular-season stats explosions didn't happen until he had Randy Moss. His TD passes per year from his first six years as a starter were 18, 28, 23, 28, 26, and 24. His TD to interception ratio was about 2/1. Then Moss arrived and he jumped to 50 TDs. Then a couple of years later Gronk arrives and catches 92 career TDs from him over about 10 years.
Brady was throwing for a few years to a top 3 WR all-time in Moss and the top TE in NFL history for a decade. It's not a coincidence that, as good as Mahomes is, when he needs a play, it's Travis Kelce that it goes to. Kelce is not quite Gronk, but he's close.
You could argue Rodgers had Adams and didn't take advantage of that to get titles. But Adams wasn't quite on Moss' level and Gronk was a transcendant player at TE.
