Maurice Drayton Fired By Packers-Packers to hire Rich Bisaccia as ST Coord

@ammo posted:

Sticks and stones.  It seems I struck a nerve. No, I know I struck a nerve.  I guess MLF could have paid Rizzi out of his own pocket since Murphy/Ballz  wouldn't write the check.

I'll try one more time for you.

He did not have to, nor should he have, hire the assistant to the coach he just fired.  Yes, he was stonewalled trying to land Rizzi two seasons ago.   That does not justify promoting Mo Drayton.

He could have and should have fired him at the bye week. 

It was a bad hire and a bad choice to see it through to the end.   I'm not sure how that is even debatable.

To play Devil's advocate to your obvious lack of morals and poor upbringing, Mayo didn't control the hiring of the ST coach in the first place.  It's entirely possible he didn't have a choice when it came to Drayton.

I do agree he had control on what lesser players were on the field.  To that point, he also didn't have control over the incredibly noble FO holding onto guys like Vernon Scott who did jack squat for the entire year.

Oh yeah, you f@#!ers?  10 is also the number worn by one Jordan Love.  You guys are f@#!ing embarrassing!

You all know what a new special teams coach leads to, right?

Prostitution. 

Can we please get back on topic and discuss Ammoe being the dumbest son of a bitch on the boards?

Hateful. TM

@DH13 posted:

Oh yeah, you f@#!ers?  10 is also the number worn by one Jordan Love.  You guys are f@#!ing embarrassing!

10 - 4 = 6(66)

Coincidence?

Why is there a black fly in my chardonnay?

@Chongo posted:

Hateful. TM

Learn the keyboard shortcut loser.  Even Kiel knows that and he's on Medicare.

Oh, I forgot.  Kiel, Chongo and I exchange friendly barbs because we find value in and even like each other. *gag reflex*

I don't want anyone to be inconvenienced or uncomfortable about banter that may seem inappropriate at the fish fry.   

@Henry posted:

Okay Alanis Morrisette.  It's called coincidence.  A black man hassling an old white crusty fart?

I'm uncomfortable.

Is there a fifth wall?

You know it’s love, bruv.

Bruv, completely underutilized in the U.S.

@BrainDed posted:

I'll try one more time for you.

You can try 100 more times. I and many others think your take is full of shit.

@Henry posted:

Even Kiel

Ha

It's Keel.

@DH13 posted:

Oh yeah, you f@#!ers?  10 is also the number worn by one Jordan Love.  You guys are f@#!ing embarrassing!

1(0) is the loneliest number.

@Henry posted:

It's entirely possible he didn't have a choice when it came to Drayton.

I find that highly unlikely.   It's probable that he had a crippling budget to work with, but unlikely that Admins told him who to hire.    Best case scenario here, in my opinion, is he was crippled by budget and just went with the turd he was familiar with.   

That's not acceptable to me.    Get creative, go pull someone from the College level or go pull an assistant from a tree other than the one you just chopped down.

@BrainDed posted:

I find that highly unlikely.   It's probable that he had a crippling budget to work with, but unlikely that Admins told him who to hire.    Best case scenario here, in my opinion, is he was crippled by budget and just went with the turd he was familiar with.   

seems to be a lot of frosting here with no dessert!

@BrainDed posted:

I find that highly unlikely.   It's probable that he had a crippling budget to work with, but unlikely that Admins told him who to hire.    Best case scenario here, in my opinion, is he was crippled by budget and just went with the turd he was familiar with.   

That's not acceptable to me.    Get creative, go pull someone from the College level or go pull an assistant from a tree other than the one you just chopped down.

I think that's entirely plausible if not likely.  I guess I wasn't inferring the FO said, "You have to hire Drayton" but rather the same philosophy of not giving a shit about ST.  I don't know where people hear this stuff about Drayton being considered an up and comer drawing interest from other teams.  If that were the case then why was Mennega hired in the first place?

Yes, the lack of response to horrible ST is definitely on Mayo.  When you had guys like Lazard asking Mayo to let them play on ST, that's pretty damning.  It was clear the ST unit was crisis bad and pretty much everyone knew it would cost them in the playoffs.

All that said, the FO holding onto UDFA scrubs thinking they'll be great 5 years from now just has to stop.  Players need to be able to contribute today especially with the Packers being on the clock.  Mayo owns what happened on the field but it's just hard for me to believe the FO didn't exacerbate the situation as well.

THIS: All that said, the FO holding onto UDFA scrubs thinking they'll be great 5 years from now just has to stop.  Players need to be able to contribute today especially with the Packers being on the clock.

@YATittle posted:

THIS: All that said, the FO holding onto UDFA scrubs thinking they'll be great 5 years from now just has to stop.  Players need to be able to contribute today especially with the Packers being on the clock.

Is that really an issue? Example?

@Goalline posted:

Is that really an issue? Example?

There was a safety who was on the roster all year, played very few plays. Henry pointed him out earlier as one who would be best suited on the Practice Squad, leaving a spot on the 53 for someone who's more than just potential.

Vernon Scott.  Passed up on the depth chart by Henry Black, still held a spot on the roster.  Did nothing.  Daugherty mentioned it.  Of course he thought it was awesome.

@Henry posted:

Learn the keyboard shortcut loser.  Even Kiel knows that and he's on Medicare.

Oh, I forgot.  Kiel, Chongo and I exchange friendly barbs because we find value in and even like each other. *gag reflex*

I don't want anyone to be inconvenienced or uncomfortable about banter that may seem inappropriate at the fish fry.   

A fish fry with all of us there would be highly entertaining.  I'd go.

@YATittle posted:

THIS: All that said, the FO holding onto UDFA scrubs thinking they'll be great 5 years from now just has to stop.  Players need to be able to contribute today especially with the Packers being on the clock.

Is there an echo in here, in here, in here?

@Henry posted:

Vernon Scott.  Passed up on the depth chart by Henry Black, still held a spot on the roster.  Did nothing.  Daugherty mentioned it.  Of course he thought it was awesome.

Yeah, but who was going to come in to help the Packers beat the 9ers? Not sure that is a valid criticism:

if Vernon Scott was keeping out a contributor, fine. But was he really?

All 53 need to be All Pro. Money is unlimited.

@PA green & gold posted:

seems to be a lot of frosting here with no dessert!

I'm "icing the cookies" because it "feels like the season is already over."

@Goalline posted:

Yeah, but who was going to come in to help the Packers beat the 9ers? Not sure that is a valid criticism:

if Vernon Scott was keeping out a contributor, fine. But was he really?

We're talking about ST all season long.  How many guys at the bottom of rosters are there because they can play ST?  He couldn't even do that.  He did nothing, contributed nothing when they could've had another scrub who could've at least done something on ST.  The point is he shouldn't have been on the roster at all.

How many UDFA's have that amazing potential to suck up a roster spot but contribute nothing.  He has more chances at being M.D. Jennings than Nick Collins.  Even if ST weren't so god awful atrocious I cannot figure out why they would keep him on the roster.  I mean I could understand holding onto a high pick trying to develop even but a UDFA?

Hold onto your "potential" picks when you rebuild.

@GBFanForLife posted:

All 53 need to be All Pro. Money is unlimited.

Yeah, those bottom of the roster contracts really suck up the cap.  Scrub for a more productive scrub.  What a revelation.

I don’t know, felt like we were dealing with crazy injury roster moves all season. Was there really a lot of room to maneuver the bottom of the roster?   I’m not saying there wasn’t, just doesn’t feel like it.   Example, we were playing 4 backups on the OL so we had to have several scrub OL on the bottom of the roster.  

If you find one guy that turns into a Jeff Janis type gunner, worth it.

@BrainDed posted:

I don’t know, felt like we were dealing with crazy injury roster moves all season. Was there really a lot of room to maneuver the bottom of the roster?   I’m not saying there wasn’t, just doesn’t feel like it.   Example, we were playing 4 backups on the OL so we had to have several scrub OL on the bottom of the roster.  

I’m not sure if there was room or not to bring in a guy. Just get a kick out of Hank’s wild speculation. He couldn’t tell you one guy out there who had Janis like gunner potential.😂

If the FO is involved he’s convinced they made a mistake. And if they do something right, ah they were lucky.

Packers have two of the finalists for coach of the year. Mike Vrabel won with 36 votes, followed by Matt LaFleur with 8 votes and Rich Bisccaria got 3.

@Goalline posted:

I’m not sure if there was room or not to bring in a guy. Just get a kick out of Hank’s wild speculation. He couldn’t tell you one guy out there who had Janis like gunner potential.😂

If the FO is involved he’s convinced they made a mistake. And if they do something right, ah they were lucky.

What does that even mean?

Fact:  Vernon Scott is a UDFA on the roster that contributed nothing all season even though ST were atrocious.  A roster spot primarily reserved for developing guys that can also play ST.  He was passed up by another UDFA scrub, Henry Black.  Still on the roster.

Is it wild speculation that a FO can churn the bottom of the roster on a regular basis throughout the season even for one roster spot on a horrible unit?

Change for changes sake?

With that line of thinking why did they bother to bring in Moore or Ervin the year before?

@Henry posted:

With that line of thinking why did they bother to bring in Moore or Ervin the year before?

Wait, they brought in help this year and it didn’t involve whacking a young guy they see potential in? Who knew that was possible?

Injuries and Covid did the whacking. 

@Goalline posted:

Wait, they brought in help this year and it didn’t involve whacking a young guy they see potential in? Who knew that was possible?

I guess you missed the game.  I'll sum it up for you.  ST lost the game.

Vernon Scott is so awesome he was passed up by another UDFA who, wait for it, played in the games.

ST and the inability of our offense with a 4-time MVP QB to score more than 13 points.  At home.  As the #1 seed.  In the cold.

With ST being directy responsible for 10 of the 9ers 13 points while only fielding 10 men for the game winning FG.

The discussion is about ST and why Mayo and FO reacted so poorly.  Fact: ST is responsible for enough points to beat the Packers.  That's crazy.