@Henry posted:Back to the positivity for you girls.
This is a championship team. Not necessarily because of talent levels but it's pretty clear everyone has bought in with Mayo and Matt Foley. I truly believe this is what good coaching does, gets the best out of they players you have. From super stars to chicken shit to chicken salad players. Without a doubt this season is feeling 2010.
The players suck, but for good coaching.😂
Zero chance the GM played a part.
I think what's also being missed regarding Gute and his handling of Rodgers is that Rodgers in all probability can be a pain in the ass to deal with and coddle.
It can be hard to deal with a personality who firmly believes he's the smartest guy in the room. Chances are pretty good Rodgers comes across as a pompous ass and does things purposefully to sabotage a relationship or at least make it extremely difficult to reason with. Let's not forget this is the same dude who's been estranged from his family for years and has also gone through a slew of relationships with different women. Of course we don't know the details and that's purely Aaron's business.
But it does suggest Rodgers has personality traits that can make a working relationship very difficult unless you are willing to be his disciple and kiss his ass. And let's also remember the player list he rattled off of former Packers he thought should be re-signed as "disrespect" to them, he was flat out wrong on when it comes who GB moved on from on most of them . Those players were clearly on the downside of their careers, ended up chronically injured, or Gute replaced them with players who were simply better players at much cheaper contracts.
It's the business side of being GM Aaron doesn't seem to grasp. Valuing loyalty, years of service, etc doesn't mean jack shit in this business. It's brutal and you need an emotionally unattached executive making these moves. That's clearly not AR.
Lastly, the other thing making Gute's job hard is Murphy. Shit like denying LaFleur the ST's coach of his choice over reasonable money is just bullshit (it has been largely rumored Murphy and Ball made that choice, not Gute). Murphy also shoots his mouth off at times over things like calling Rodgers a "complicated fella" and sticking his nose or his mouth into football operations which is something Bob Harlan would have never, ever done.
I don't doubt Murphy has done other shit which Gute or LaFleur has to cover for and that does neither any favors. Murphy continues to hide like TT did on issues he should be addressing leaving LaFluer to answer media questions and put on an FO hat which is total bullshit. It's the one thing I'd defend McVince on as well. That should have never been his job either.
@PackerHawk posted:That's the trifecta of failure right there.
@Henry I think I'm behind on nicknames. Who is the Uncle Milty in the organization?
The one with the giant pet snake.
@packerboi posted:It's the business side of being GM Aaron doesn't seem to grasp. Valuing loyalty, years of service, etc doesn't mean jack shit in this business. It's brutal and you need an emotionally unattached executive making these moves. That's clearly not AR.
I think this is the crux of the issue right here. The business IS people. It's the players who play the game and it's the fans who watch the games. Those business decisions impact people and people react to them. A GM needs to be able to look at issues analytically AND look at the human side of things. One can make errors in either direction but it's crucial to keep both in mind.
@PackerHawk posted:That's the trifecta of failure right there.
@Henry I think I'm behind on nicknames. Who is the Uncle Milty in the organization?
Milt Hendrickson. Football Ops director.
He's the guy credited for targeting Jenkins and has a great background with oline picks. Having that kind of influence from the Ravens FO is a huge bonus. It would be better if Murphy Ballz had no part of it.
@Goalline posted:The players suck, but for good coaching.😂
Zero chance the GM played a part.
I'm not taking away from the good things but the bad is overshadowing a lot. Plus, with this convoluted setup of a FO it was supposedly Murphy who made the call. I feel like that's kind of questionable since he was all Jughead Fitzgerald at first.
This isn't meant to be derogatory to the coaching staff but we will see what they are made of post Rodgers. I personally feel pretty good about it but the FO has to be committed to championships too, not just putting butts in seats. This is why this FO structure is so damn horrible.
Sometimes you have to take a real shot and it shouldn't take getting dragged in the media to do it because you massively fucked up.
@packerboi posted:I think what's also being missed regarding Gute and his handling of Rodgers is that Rodgers in all probability can be a pain in the ass to deal with and coddle.
It can be hard to deal with a personality who firmly believes he's the smartest guy in the room. Chances are pretty good Rodgers comes across as a pompous ass and does things purposefully to sabotage a relationship or at least make it extremely difficult to reason with.
IMO, that’s exactly why Gute drafted Love and MLF was as excited about it when he did. 12 probably had his own ideas on how to run the new office and likely didn’t make things terribly easy for MLF, which put MLF in an awkward position.
Then comes Love, which pissed off 12…so then he decides to completely buy into what MLF wanted him to do and low and behold he plays like an MVP the following season. Maybe it was just year two of the offense that had him playing so well, but I doubt it was a coincidence that his play improved so much after drafting Love.
I do think MLF did an amazing job in handling 12’s giant ego and it seems like they get along really well now.
@bdplant posted:IMO, that’s exactly why Gute drafted Love and MLF was as excited about it when he did. 12 probably had his own ideas on how to run the new office and likely didn’t make things terribly easy for MLF, which put MLF in an awkward position.
Then comes Love, which pissed off 12…so then he decides to completely buy into what MLF wanted him to do and low and behold he plays like an MVP the following season. Maybe it was just year two of the offense that had him playing so well, but I doubt it was a coincidence that his play improved so much after drafting Love.
I do think MLF did an amazing job in handling 12’s giant ego and it seems like they get along really well now.
I can see Rodgers wanting to run things his way and the way he had for so long; he had good success, so why would he want to change it? I don't know that it was Love coming along that made him play better, although given Rodgers' giant ego I'm sure it had something to do with it. But I also think Rodgers came around by the end of MLF's first year and saw how MLF's offense with motion, scheming guys open, using shorter passes, etc., was going to keep him upright and prolong his career. That sandlot crap and waiting for things to develop long was going to get him killed. Now, Rodgers sees how good things are for a QB in this offense and how his career is extended, and he may not be in such a hurry to leave.
And I totally agree with how MLF has handled Rodgers' ego. I don't know that they are all that cozy in real life, but they seem to realize they have to work together and tolerate each other for both to have success.
No doubt about it. Rodgers is a schmuck. I don't envy having to handle him but that's the job.
All this talk about a "giant ego." Show me a athlete super star without a giant ego. It's kinda part of the deal and what helps them rise above the elite talent they face to become the best human walking the earth at what they do,
@BrainDed posted:All this talk about a "giant ego." Show me a athlete super star without a giant ego. It's kinda part of the deal and what helps them rise above the elite talent they face to become the best human walking the earth at what they do,
True, but we like them to be humble at the same time and hide the ego.
It can be hard to deal with a personality who firmly believes he's the smartest guy in the room.
Which is why you all have trouble dealing with me. 
(It's also difficult for the smart guy to deal with regular people, and even more so with idiots.)
Ego or ego-maniac
@BrainDed posted:All this talk about a "giant ego." Show me a athlete super star without a giant ego.
Davante probably has a huge ego which he channels into being the best receiver in the league, as opposed to letting your giant ego create a giant distraction for your team….like one complicated fellow.
@DH13 posted:That's 15min I wish I had back. Said GB was the best QB/HC/GM combo in the league, discussed for about a minute then went long in the mouth on LAR and of course DAL.
Yeah, i used to respect him, but he jumped headlong into the same attention seeking BS as everyone. Wouldn’t shut up about Rodgers all offseason.
@PackerHawk posted:
You all loved Rodgers completely after the SuperBowl the same way you loved Favre completely. Give it time. If he is the next Kobe or MJ, it will show.
@Pistol GB posted:I’ll put money on Rodgers coming back right now.
Inevitable the hell. He’s reaping all the benefits and winning his ass off. He’s got a bunch of friends here and the chemistry in the locker room is unbeatable. He loves the coach and the system and the entire offense. He’s got the FO in the palm of his hand.
Now he even has a defense.
And if you were paying attention, he all but said as much before the vaccine brew-ha: “No longer a foregone conclusion” (or words to that effect) and “really enjoying how this is going so we’ll see” type statements.
Play the trends hey $50 easy money right now.
I think you're right that he wants to come back. Other than completely retiring from football, I think/hope he'll be back. And he'll restructure his contract if the FO plays ball. If the FO chases him away again, I think the stockholders should rise up and get rid of MurphyBallz. Or at least Murphy.
@Goalline posted:There is life after Aaron.
But is there Love?
I don't think some of us appreciate just how good Rodgers is. In the last 4 seasons he has 122 TDs vs 15 INTs. That's video game numbers and we still have 5 games left. Probably will finish around 130 to 16. That's not real life.
You don't replace that. Ever.
He’s the best I’ve ever seen. All except for one year that hasn’t been good enough.
Fascinating that just a few seasons ago he was on the decline and no longer elite.
Last I checked Rodgers didn’t hold out, is still on this team and still under contract thru next year. So are we still crying about a draft pick here or what?
What I do know is we picked up no names that are having big contributions to the team for pennies while clubs like the Rams are picking up big names (Stafford, Von Miller, OBJ) with big contracts and are imploding.
Gute deserves all the praise in the world for getting the right guys at the right price for the right system that fits them.
If Favre would have followed Rodgers I wonder if Favre would have gotten as much love as he did. Favre was a great QB but he isnt half the QB that Rodgers is. Whoever follows Rodgers is going to have problems because Rodgers is just the best of all time. . Kind of like Phil Bengston following Lombardi. Yikes!!.
With more fans and media now aware of just how big a factor turnovers are, I wonder if Favre would get as much love now, regardless.
Who is Phil Bengston?
Whoever follows Rodgers won't be able to outplay him but he could out-character him. He would help his case if he is at least average, but is likeable, respectable, and relatable. A Bart Starr type of character and leader, even if he is only a game manager type. I think that would be the best path to success and fan support.
Turner fell in Gutekunst's lap. Stenovich made Turner what he is.
Favre would have benefited from the extra protections QBs now get. Maybe he wouldn't have thrown as many picks as he did. Most likely still more than AR but possibly much less than he did.
Didn't realize Bulaga has been perpetually injured with the Chargers. Gutey also doesn't receive enough credit for finding and sticking with Yosh Nijman.
@DH13 posted:Favre would have benefited from the extra protections QBs now get. Maybe he wouldn't have thrown as many picks as he did. Most likely still more than AR but possibly much less than he did.
Good point. I always felt that Favre threw some of his Ints getting rid of the ball so he could somewhat protect himself from the hit he knew was coming....some of that was to maintain his consecutive game streak, which became most important to him.
Which he also would have lost with today's protections/protocol. I wonder how early in his pro career he had his first dinger.
Thanks, Gutey!
@BrainDed posted:You all loved Rodgers completely after the SuperBowl the same way you loved Favre completely. Give it time. If he is the next Kobe or MJ, it will show.
Except he's not. If you want I can give you examples of superstar athletes that managed to finish their careers without a huge ego. But you don't really need those examples, do you?
I loved Favre but lost all respect for him after his retire-don't retire-retire again craziness. And the summer he did retire and then came back I was over him. I had no idea how Rodgers would do but felt with how Favre left it was time to give the keys to AR. Then going to the Jets and managing his way off the team to go play for the Vikings was the final nail. I was done with him. I wanted to see him hurt and broke in half. I celebrated every hit the Saints gave him in the Championship game.
Rodgers to me is different. He may go to another team and while I hope he loses when he plays for the Packers, I hope he has success wherever he would end up. He has given me enough pleasure over the years in watching him play to know there will be another like him and I got to watch him for a long time on my favorite team. But my first hope if for him to sign a new contract that keeps him in Green Bay until he retires. Five more years of an older Rodgers in Green Bay would still be better than any other QB that they could draft or sign. Love or whoevever. Go Pack!
