@bvan posted:I like Benkert's attitude and humor.
AR does too, he lobbied MLF to put the kid in vs CHI since it was the first time Benkert dressed for a game in his NFL career.
Benkert now has NFL stats, he's somebody.
2 rushes for - 1 yard
One thing Love has going for him he is not getting beat up every week behind a crummy line on a bad team. His confidence is not being shattered while he is learning the pro game. We have no idea how good he can be but his situation is much better than most first rounders.
@Harry Manback posted:I think I'd just keep him since we might end up spending a fourth or fifth round pick on another QB anyway to replace him, ending in a wash. Plus he at least knows our system. And until we know for sure what Rodger is going to do...
We have a young, cheap QB prospect for at least 3 more years. I don't get why everyone is so interested in being his agent.
Worst case scenario, he is our back up for the next 3 years and we get nothing for him. I'm alright with that.
Best case scenario, he develops into a killer QB talent and we trade him for a high 1st.
Possible option to consider? Our 38 year old QB starts to breakdown in a couple of years time and we have a ready made replacement on the books.
Y'all just chill the fuck out.
2 more years with an option for a 3rd. I'm fine with keeping him as a backup on a cheap rookie contract. My preference would be a capable Vet for 2 more years and then we seek a replacement, but the cap might not allow that.
If Love can develop, no way you take him over a vet? He could potentially give us the best of all worlds. Potential star, cheap and talent. You are not getting that out of a vet back up.
@Goalline posted:We have a young, cheap QB prospect for at least 3 more years. I don't get why everyone is so interested in being his agent.
Worst case scenario, he is our back up for the next 3 years and we get nothing for him. I'm alright with that.
Best case scenario, he develops into a killer QB talent and we trade him for a high 1st.
Possible option to consider? Our 38 year old QB starts to breakdown in a couple of years time and we have a ready made replacement on the books.
Y'all just chill the fuck out.
Zero problems holding onto Love. He has a good skillset and he's worth the time to develop. If he comes up against the 5th year, so be it.
@H5 posted:Disagree. It may be more of an admission that they mis-calculated Rodgers' decline. Also, no reason to believe they can't get at least a high 2 if not a 1 for Love.
Think AR's possible decline played a role, but his age and the team's assessment of Love were the biggest factors in the pick. Love won't go anywhere as long as the team still believes in their scouting of him (nor should he). They didn't move up to pick him because they view him as simply a competent backup.
Disagree about his present value but there's no real incentive for the team to move Love anyway.
Yeah, he was mentioned in the Bores game thread.
Just happened to notice this when reading a story linked in another thread.
Not 'zackly the same as being in the tire business, but I imagine it has its' own rewards...
He's the lunch lady at a school.
@michiganjoe posted:Think AR's possible decline played a role, but his age and the team's assessment of Love were the biggest factors in the pick. Love won't go anywhere as long as the team still believes in their scouting of him (nor should he). They didn't move up to pick him because they view him as simply a competent backup.
Disagree about his present value but there's no real incentive for the team to move Love anyway.
Disagree, multiple NFL people have stated that AR's initial resistance to MLF's offense was a motivating factor in the Love pick, not a perceived decline in his skills. Look no further than MLF's reaction at the time of the pick ... I had never seen him that animated, even on the sideline as he was when that pick was announced.
@FLPACKER posted:Disagree, multiple NFL people have stated that AR's initial resistance to MLF's offense was a motivating factor in the Love pick, not a perceived decline in his skills. Look no further than MLF's reaction at the time of the pick ... I had never seen him that animated, even on the sideline as he was when that pick was announced.
I'd call it more of a difficult adjustment period than resistance, but that occurred early in MLF's first season and the relationship appeared to be in a relatively good place when they took Love in 2020.
I've got no reason to doubt Gutey when he stated the biggest factor in the pick was the teams' evaluation of Love.
AR's biggest problem initially with the offense was that he did not like to turn his back to the defense on ball fakes....he was always of the opinion that he wanted to always be seeing the defense. The Covid offseason was a blessing in that it resulted in MLF selling AR on aspects of the offense, but also AR selling MLF on some of the concepts he had success with under MM. With everything that has gone on with AR this offseason, MLF's reaction when Love was drafted, listening to Mike Lombardi & reading McGinn (I know!), I really think the lack of AR's initial "buy in" really drove the Love pick.
@FLPACKER posted:Disagree, multiple NFL people have stated that AR's initial resistance to MLF's offense was a motivating factor in the Love pick, not a perceived decline in his skills. Look no further than MLF's reaction at the time of the pick ... I had never seen him that animated, even on the sideline as he was when that pick was announced.
not a big deal. I act that way every Christmas when I get a new Packers calendar from the grand kids. That is why I get one the next Christmas.
Rodgers didn't like the rigid structure after his free-wheeling hero ball finish under MM. The Shanahan offense is highly structured with limited room for audibles - because the scheme handles most of what AR likes to do at the LOS.
The blend of that scheme + The Maestro at the LOS makes it even more devastating. But the intent of that offense is that you don't need a Rodgers to run it. ( See Garappolo et al)
Add in the heavy focus on running the ball - and its easy to see why Rodgers would chafe under such a system. It was originally built to support lesser QBs
like Elway at the end, who rode Terrell Davis. We can also see that it takes 2 years to assimilate - Matt Ryan won an MVP in year 2 of the system - same as Rodgers
That system + Jones/Dillon would also have been a nice crutch for young Jordan Love, if AR had moved on.
@FLPACKER posted:Disagree, multiple NFL people have stated that AR's initial resistance to MLF's offense was a motivating factor in the Love pick, not a perceived decline in his skills. Look no further than MLF's reaction at the time of the pick ... I had never seen him that animated, even on the sideline as he was when that pick was announced.
Makes so much sense.
@Satori posted:Rodgers didn't like the rigid structure after his free-wheeling hero ball finish under MM. The Shanahan offense is highly structured with limited room for audibles - because the scheme handles most of what AR likes to do at the LOS.
The blend of that scheme + The Maestro at the LOS makes it even more devastating. But the intent of that offense is that you don't need a Rodgers to run it. ( See Garappolo et al)
Add in the heavy focus on running the ball - and its easy to see why Rodgers would chafe under such a system. It was originally built to support lesser QBs
like Elway at the end, who rode Terrell Davis. We can also see that it takes 2 years to assimilate - Matt Ryan won an MVP in year 2 of the system - same as RodgersThat system + Jones/Dillon would also have been a nice crutch for young Jordan Love, if AR had moved on.
You should post more often, you SOB. I would actually pay a subscription to read your shit, bro.
Start a publication. Team up with BK and Fedya so you can have a section on hair care and another on talkies. Henry would write letters to the editor that would eat up most of the space in the publication.
@Satori posted:Your kindness & generosity are exceeded only by your good looks my favorite Ghana-man. Toss me a few cedi on PM and we're good to go...
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Glad you asked for Cedi. By the time it arrives in the mail it will have lost half its value against the dollar. 
@FLPACKER posted:I really think the lack of AR's initial "buy in" really drove the Love pick.
The various theories about the pick (other than the most logical one) would make a lot more sense if the team viewed Love as a player that could contribute quickly rather than being a developmental project.
I don't think they expected Love to start immediately. Remember, when they chose him Rodgers hadn't yet threatened to jump ship. I do think they expected Love to progress a little faster than he has, but not every first-round draft pick pans out as good as you think he will. (See: Mandarich, Leaf, etc.)
@Fandame posted:I don't think they expected Love to start immediately. Remember, when they chose him Rodgers hadn't yet threatened to jump ship. I do think they expected Love to progress a little faster than he has, but not every first-round draft pick pans out as good as you think he will. (See: Mandarich, Leaf, etc.)
Well, you have to play to progress.
@Goalline posted:You should post more often, you SOB. I would actually pay a subscription to read your shit, bro.
Start a publication. Team up with BK and Fedya so you can have a section on hair care and another on talkies. Henry would write letters to the editor that would eat up most of the space in the publication.
Hateful.®
I shouldn't have to team up with BK or Henry.
Is it fate that these two topics ended up following each other in the topics list or is there an unknown force trying to tell us something?
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I think it was a combination of a few things that led to the Love pick. One, it was known MM and AR were having problems during MM’s final two years. There was speculation that MM wanted to run the offense one way, AR another. This is what possibly led to WMM telling AR not to be the problem when MLF was hired. AR was already viewed as a malcontent, especially since it was known at the time he wasn’t real happy with MLF’s offense.
Then AR had a bad year, and at the time, there was speculation his skill was declining in his older age. Rather than witness a decline at that position without a succession plan, they decided to be proactive in finding his potential replacement. They found what they thought to be the best possible value at QB by moving up in the first round to draft Love. Then AR decided to act out right before this year’s draft.
This obviously rustled AR’s feathers and we all know what AR does with a chip on his shoulder. Don’t underestimate what signing Love did to light a fire under his ass. He responds with an MVP season.
In the end, I don’t blame the Packers for planning for life after AR, and I don’t blame AR for getting a little miffed. To the level he acted out, I don’t agree with. But there was obviously a lack of communication on both sides, which I’m happy to see, seems to have been rectified. Now, did they over draft Love? That remains to be seen, but I hope we don’t have to find out too soon. I’d like to see AR decide to retire with the Packers.
I always figured that MM’s all too willingness to ignore the run game was a result of AR changing plays at the line of scrimmage….But then MM did the same thing last year in Dallas.
So yeah, I was wrong on that one.
Maybe Prescott is changing plays at the line of scrimmage too, just to piss MM off. 
At the end of the day, post-Rodgers is a big gamble regardless of which way they go. If they truly like Love, keep him even with the 5th-year option. Kick money down the road, if they have to. Yeah, they may need a cap-gutted year for Love's first as a starter, but so be it. Just be positioned for a quick "re-build" and go from there. If it works out, you're right back in position to keep competing and if it doesn't, you're basically in the same spot you would have been.
I understand the reasoning behind drafting Love. However... if he isn't the guy, he isn't the guy. There are plenty of high draft picks that never pan out. Lord knows GB has their fair share of them through the years.
I don’t know if Love is an NFL-caliber QB or not. But like pretty much every fan, every X4 member, just about all media, we’re basing our opinions and expectations on some random media clips, a few preseason games, and one short notice prime time game against a really good team in a tough environment. The Packer brass and coaching staff see Love everyday, on the field, in the film room, etc. I’m confident they have a pretty good idea if they think he can/will be successful in the NFL. Doesn’t mean they’ll be correct in there assessment, but they have a hell of a lot more to go on than everyone else.
Resign/extend 12. Any other option would be insane.
My point is, if that means GB blew it by drafting Love in R1, so be it.
Not to mention executive of the year for De’Vondre Campbell, Eric Stokes, Rasul Douglas, offensive line depth, the vision for A.J. Dillon, Corey Bojorquez, surviving Aaron Rodgers. It’s remarkable how this team was built. https://t.co/FdaXccJe4P
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) December 23, 2021
Not just the good signings but also knowing when to cut bait. He got rid of Josh Jackson, brought in Yiadom, decided that he wasn't good enough and then got Douglas to start instead.
Brought in Jaylon Smith, realized he wasn't working, cut him, and picked up Mercilus. Unfortunately Mercilus got hurt but was looking good until he did.
Well said vitaflo--the quickness to move on (add Sternberger) is needed.
Also moved on from Opie as the punter. A definite upgrade there so far.
@Fedya posted:Maybe Prescott is changing plays at the line of scrimmage too, just to piss MM off.
He and Rodgers penpals?
@Pakrz posted:Resign/extend 12. Any other option would be insane.
My point is, if that means GB blew it by drafting Love in R1, so be it.
Jordan Love is not going to be the reason 12 leaves. No one thinks that.
@Goalline posted:Jordan Love is not going to be the reason 12 leaves. No one thinks that.
Yup, no way will AR be a backup
Now if we could just get our clueless ST coach to realize Yeahdumb is trash, then we could cut bait from him completely.