Football fans passing judgement on young players before they’ve had a real chance? Shocking!
Exactly. As of now, he’s nothing but possible potential. We can replace that anytime.
@Goalline posted:Football fans passing judgement on young players before they’ve had a real chance? Shocking!
You have a point there, but on the other hand, potential is the only thing he has. That’s nothing special. Certainly replaceable. If he’s willing to stay on as a number two, perfect. If he wants the opportunity to be a starter somewhere, understandable, and good luck.
Does that include all the tubs to nurse his injuries?
To me, it really boils down to Rodgers. If he wants to stay, I believe the Packers will find a way to keep him.
I think he really wants that 2nd ring and wants it in GB. If he the Packers achieve that goal, I think there’s a chance he could want a fresh start somewhere else.
PIT is in the middle of a rebuild. They need to find their next QB, not another one near retirement. And they're more than a QB and a few good players away from a SB.
@Pakrz posted:What to do with Love? Fuck that guy... who gives a shit?
After GB wins the SB this year, he will have succeeded in doing his job
If Rodgers does extend, say it's a 3 year deal, drops his cap number and all that, while they don't need to do anything with Love the fact remains it's a total crap year for teams looking for a QB.
Not saying Gute would re-coup a 1st round pick, but there will be very QB needy teams with lousy pickings in the 2022 draft.
Could he swing a 2nd round pick in May for Love? You have to think they are already thinking about that.
Maybe if he doesn’t play anymore this year.
@Tdog posted:and I don't really care enough to figure it out on my own, but who's Matt Foley in this screenplay?
When they hired Barry, after previously running two horrible defenses, he had "energy" and would "motivate" and blee blah bloop stupid speak. So Matt Foley popped into my head.
Love what he's doing but can't let a solid meme name go to waste. Joe Barry, Matt Foley.
Fairly obvious over the last two years that Rodgers still has it, and any thought of him possibly declining as he got older like other QB's do or as he may have looked in 2018-ish was misguided.
That said I don't think it was dumb to draft a QB as insurance. You see in New Orleans how not drafting a QB as Brees was declining has hurt them. Pitt is going down the same path. Two teams that could be competitive but they didn't think ahead on the QB position and it's hurting them.
I agree with others, extend Rodgers, figure out what you want to do with Love later, if anything. I think all the positive comments on Rodgers and Gute lately point to this being the likely outcome.
The Packers moving Love would be a tacit admission by them that their scouting on him was wrong. Unless there's a team that's infatuated with his potential hard to see him bringing a high pick.
@Henry posted:When they hired Barry, after previously running two horrible defenses, he had "energy" and would "motivate" and blee blah bloop stupid speak. So Matt Foley popped into my head.
Love what he's doing but can't let a solid meme name go to waste. Joe Barry, Matt Foley.
I lived in a house in college with a guy that went to high school with Chris Farley (Madison Edgewood High School). He said Farley was one of the nicest people he knew, a surprisingly good athlete, and one of the most painfully shy human beings he had ever met. When he got up to perform he seemed outgoing, but it was completely different from his personality when he wasn't onstage.
@michiganjoe posted:The Packers moving Love would be a tacit admission by them that their scouting on him was wrong. Unless there's a team that's infatuated with his potential hard to see him bringing a high pick.
I agree with you, but part of being an effective GM (or really any job) is to not get bogged down with sunk costs. If you used a 1st round pick on him, but he's not the future and you can get a 3rd round pick for him, you move him. I'm not sure what they feel about him internally, but they probably know what they have by now.
Of course that should be the Packers position, but, as others have written AR will do what he wants. Now, I think GB is the best place for him football wise and I do think he will stay but he is a complicated fella.
Right now, he/they have the best team in the league, with a great chance to win it all. This may be the last chance for a while. Concentrate on now, worry about the future in the future.
Yeah, if you can get a third you probably should take it and run at this point.
@MichiganPacker2 posted:I lived in a house in college with a guy that went to high school with Chris Farley (Madison Edgewood High School). He said Farley was one of the nicest people he knew, a surprisingly good athlete, and one of the most painfully shy human beings he had ever met. When he got up to perform he seemed outgoing, but it was completely different from his personality when he wasn't onstage.
That's how you overcome being shy, you jump in head first and let it rip.
@vitaflo posted:Fairly obvious over the last two years that Rodgers still has it, and any thought of him possibly declining as he got older like other QB's do or as he may have looked in 2018-ish was misguided.
That said I don't think it was dumb to draft a QB as insurance. You see in New Orleans how not drafting a QB as Brees was declining has hurt them. Pitt is going down the same path. Two teams that could be competitive but they didn't think ahead on the QB position and it's hurting them.
I agree with others, extend Rodgers, figure out what you want to do with Love later, if anything. I think all the positive comments on Rodgers and Gute lately point to this being the likely outcome.
1) I can't figure out why people would use 2018 as some sort of indicator of decline? The guy was hurt the first game of the season. It was a mess with McVince getting canned.
2) I completely agree about drafting a QB. It's the QB and the fact the moved up to get him. That's my beef. Otherwise, absolutely they should be drafting guys and getting ready for the future.
3) I can't see any other outcome at this point. The only monkey wrench is Rodgers himself.
He’s a complicated fella.
@michiganjoe posted:Yeah, if you can get a third you probably should take it and run at this point.
Probably better to just make it a 4th then
@michiganjoe posted:The Packers moving Love would be a tacit admission by them that their scouting on him was wrong. Unless there's a team that's infatuated with his potential hard to see him bringing a high pick.
Brett Favre was traded for a 1st after a first year where he threw 2 into in 5 passes. Just takes on suitor to fall in love with the guy.
IMO, if they are seeing enough in training do not trade him. We have a 38 year old QB.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:Probably better to just make it a 4th then
Yes!
@MichiganPacker2 posted:I agree with you, but part of being an effective GM (or really any job) is to not get bogged down with sunk costs.
That's one of the ways you lose big in poker.
@Goalline posted:Yes!
I think I'd just keep him since we might end up spending a fourth or fifth round pick on another QB anyway to replace him, ending in a wash. Plus he at least knows our system. And until we know for sure what Rodger is going to do...
@michiganjoe posted:The Packers moving Love would be a tacit admission by them that their scouting on him was wrong. Unless there's a team that's infatuated with his potential hard to see him bringing a high pick.
Disagree. It may be more of an admission that they mis-calculated Rodgers' decline. Also, no reason to believe they can't get at least a high 2 if not a 1 for Love.
@H5 - Your reason for going after Love is right on, IMHO. You articulated what I've been thinking about on this situation very well.
I'd be ecstatic if we could get a one or two for Love, but not sure that's going to happen.
a) the restructure for Rodgers MUST happen in Feb/Mar of 2022
b) the trade of Love can wait until Feb/Mar of 2023 - his 5th year option must be decided on at the end of his 3rd year. That option will likely cost upwards of $20m-$25m.
c) with another camp, pre-season, and some in-season snaps in '22, they very well could get a 1 for Love
They do not need to make a decision on moving Love before the next draft. They could wait until '23, or they could move him next pre-season or early season if: a) they get a very good offer; b) they have another option in the wings for QB2.
@H5 posted:They do not need to make a decision on moving Love before the next draft. They could wait until '23, or they could move him next pre-season or early season if: a) they get a very good offer; b) they have another option in the wings for QB2.
His cap hit is only 3.3 million next year. The going rate for an experienced journeyman-type backup that is functional to run an offense is similar to that or more than that: Trubisky (2.5 million), Andy Dalton (5 million cap hit), Case Keenum (7 million), Chad Henne (1.7 million).
@H5 posted:They do not need to make a decision on moving Love before the next draft. They could wait until '23, or they could move him next pre-season or early season if: a) they get a very good offer; b) they have another option in the wings for QB2.
The only negative is if Rodgers gets an extension it's going to happen pre-draft, at which point Love will be a lame duck QB. That would reduce Love's perceived value. Everyone would know the Packers will want to move him.
There's no way they're going pick up Love's 5th year option if Rodgers gets extended for 3-4 years either. They would be wasting the most salary cap friendly time of a rookie QB's career.
Best time to move from Love is before Rodgers gets extended and he still has time on his rookie deal for a different team. But of course any team that wants him will think they can find something better higher in the draft anyway. So there aren't many great options.
You keep him on his rookie deal as a back up and don't pick up the option.
@vitaflo posted:The only negative is if Rodgers gets an extension it's going to happen pre-draft, at which point Love will be a lame duck QB. That would reduce Love's perceived value. Everyone would know the Packers will want to move him.
There's no way they're going pick up Love's 5th year option if Rodgers gets extended for 3-4 years either. They would be wasting the most salary cap friendly time of a rookie QB's career.
Best time to move from Love is before Rodgers gets extended and he still has time on his rookie deal for a different team. But of course any team that wants him will think they can find something better higher in the draft anyway. So there aren't many great options.
So be it. You can't trade him until you know you have a QB. How stupid would they look if they trade Love and Rodgers opts to bounce?
If it means we only get offered a 3rd or high 4th, so be it. Then we decide if that pick is worth a backup QB at a decent price. I say no, at that stage you take your medicine and admit that you moved up in the 1st round to draft a guy you hope never sees the field. Let him walk in FA and get your comp pick the next year.
@BrainDed posted:So be it. You can't trade him until you know you have a QB. How stupid would they look if they trade Love and Rodgers opts to bounce?
If it means we only get offered a 3rd or high 4th, so be it. Then we decide if that pick is worth a backup QB at a decent price. I say no, at that stage you take your medicine and admit that you moved up in the 1st round to draft a guy you hope never sees the field. Let him walk in FA and get your comp pick the next year.
Kinda my point of there not being many great options with Love if Rodgers re-signs. Not that it probably matters, it is what it is.
Now I'm curious how many 1st round QB picks sat on the bench for 2 years and then were traded? Even Favre was a 2nd rounder (barely, but still).
@BrainDed posted:So be it. You can't trade him until you know you have a QB. How stupid would they look if they trade Love and Rodgers opts to bounce?
If it means we only get offered a 3rd or high 4th, so be it. Then we decide if that pick is worth a backup QB at a decent price. I say no, at that stage you take your medicine and admit that you moved up in the 1st round to draft a guy you hope never sees the field. Let him walk in FA and get your comp pick the next year.
A backup QB that is good enough to give you a chance to win games when your almost 40-year-old starter is hurt is definitely worth a 1st round choice. If Love was had looked anywhere near as good as what Rodgers looked like against the Cowboys in 2007 in the game he had to come in for Favre, that is definitely worth the pick even if he sits on the bench for the next 2 years.
Love did nothing in that Chiefs game to indicate this was the case. It doesn't mean he can't get there someday, but it made it less likely in some people's eyes that he ever will. His performance reduced his trade value.
They just have to forget that they invested a first-round pick for him at this point and make the decisions going forward independent of that. If he's your best option as the backup QB next year if Rodgers comes back, you keep him. If you've decided he's not for whatever reason, and you get an offer that provides you more value than you what you think he's worth now, you trade him.
