Based on Murphy's comments today, I still fail to understand why he and Ted didn't have this conversation the moment John Dorsey surprisingly became available a few months ago and put plans in place to grab him, versus launching a search just weeks after he accepts a GM job with another team. They could have had that agreement done with Dorsey and held off announcing it until the day after the season ended. Who wouldn't think Dorsey would be as good a choice as we could find? But OK, water under the bridge. I now want John Schneider -- another Packer lifer with a proven track record of success as a GM. Why wouldn't he want to push to get out of his contract with the Seahawks to take the GB job? He'd have more power in GB (since Pete Carroll has final say in Seattle), and he'd be fulfilling his dream. And again, who could we hire that'd be better? If we can't get him, then maybe go with Eliot Wolf. While not proven, at least he's learned for years from Thompson, has a Hall of Fame GM father to continue to advise him, and has to feel special about the Packers. Can't get excited about Ball or Gutenkunst (however you spell his name). Keep Ball doing what he does best, managing the cap. Having Ron Wolf in the background is the clear advantage Eliot Wolf has over Gutenkunst in my view. I just hope Murphy knows what he's doing. His hiring Korn Ferry to help is a negative in my view. But will try to remain optimistic, be excited by the final choice.
Floridarob posted:I would have no problem with a dome. hell, it is freaking 0 degrees and this isnt Lombardis Packers. anyone that thinks the Packers have home field advantage in December when it is wind chill of -10 is delusional. Cant throw it, cant catch it and cant hold on to it.
They played in a dome Sunday at 72 deg and couldn't do all that either!
Even though I am fully behind TT and Dom being ousted, still a little sad to see them go, especially TT.
I thought TT did a great job during his time here, especially in his first 7-8 years. The last couple years, the cumulative effect of mistakes the organization made during past 3-4 years caught up with them. From mis-evaluating their own personnel, to having some subpar drafts, the last 2 seasons the talent gap began to rear its ugly head. The 2016 end of season winning streak hid some of the warts that had clearly shown early in the year. In 2017, those warts were completely exposed once Rodgers was no longer there to cover it up with some absolutely incredible QB play.
Thanks to TT for building the Pack into what was one of the top 4 NFL organizations for about 8 seasons. Unfortunately, it was pretty apparent in the past 2 or 3 seasons that the Pack's talent had really dropped off and maybe a change is for the best at this point. TT is a relatively young guy, but he strikes me as "old" for his age, and that might be why all parties agreed to the reduction in role at this point.
I'll say thank you Dom for 2009-2010, but after 7 years of mediocrity or worse to follow 2010, this was a merciful ending to his tenure here.
Hungry5 posted:Diggr14 posted:
I guess in retrospect, if you gave him the HOF for being the warm body that was there to draft #12, then I agree. But it was a no-brainer pick then, it wasnât like it was an unexpected move, most teams didn't have QB needs while the Packers clearly did with #4 being hot and cold about retirement or not every year.This is a tired and stupid take that has been shot down daily. Favre was not hot and cold about retirement in the spring of 2005. To the contrary, there was a lot of questions why GB would take a QB in the 1st round with Favre still very near his prime. The talk about retirement wasn't really plausible until the 2006 season. I'm sure you'll recall that pic with his OL at Soldier Field in the season finale?
If you are going to post here, come up with some decent football insight, and not parroted commentary from the JS Comments.
Sorry, that was as 'no-brainer' of a pick if there ever was one. A 'at one point' consensus overall #1 pick, a QB on your roster at the age he was at that time and we don't even know where TT had AR on his board. That was also the time when 4 was a bit out of control. I will also add that I recall most being supportive of the pick as he would have time to sit a bit and learn.
Regarding TT talking? No way is he obligated but I think it is lame he doesn't. BB is a tool but being a tool can be quite entertaining (as we see on here daily).
God damnit....Losing Highsmith really sucks.
Good for Cleveland though. I hope they turn it around
chickenboy posted:I will also add that I recall most being supportive of the pick as he would have time to sit a bit and learn.
People flipped their **** Ted didn't draft someone who would help the team that year. This might be where "Ted is being cute" started.
Don't recall that at all (although I am sure SOME did). If that thread is still available, would be happy to revisit.
Michael Rodney, Packer Notes: "I'm still trying to understand why John Dorsey isn't the new GM. Murphy and Ted apparently discussed this move during the season - while Dorsey was very much available. Makes me wonder if Murphy knows who he wants and might be putting on a show for the public."
Maybe because if Dorsey was the guy recommending who to draft he wasnât doing such a hot job? Remember that head scouts recommend players and fight for âtheir guysâ to GMs.
If Schneider is available he'd be my first choice. If not, go with the young Wolf.
Not Schneider. Seattle has gone downhill for several years and his FAs havenât been great either. The OL is a mess and has Wilson running for his life. Their D is also starting to get old with not a lot of young guys coming up. Lacy? Bust FA, and I donât mean in Canton.
I agree on Schneider but wonder if those bonehead moves are petey in action
If youâre still there after watching the coach make a disaster of your team, then you need a lesson in assertiveness.
Pakrz posted:If Schneider is available he'd be my first choice. If not, go with the young Wolf.
Pretty sure Schnieder's new contract (2016) no longer has an out clause - if he wanted to leave for Green Bay. If we want him it would likely cost us draft picks. Cant see it.
Floridarob posted:If there are no health issues then shame on Ted for not standing in front of the media and answering a few questions. I get it if there is something wrong but just saying no because he doesnt like it is BS and a cop out.
I don't think I can post enough of these.
And now I know why people say Floriduh.
Goalline posted:Fedya posted:(And was it he or Cliff Christl who called Terry Glenn "she"?)
Bill Parcells, but you were close.
Then it was a different incident I was thinking of. I seem to recall one of the MJS writers having a terribly unprofessional interview with Glenn full of loaded questions and then criticizing Glenn for handling things badly.
ammo posted:Floridarob posted:If there are no health issues then shame on Ted for not standing in front of the media and answering a few questions. I get it if there is something wrong but just saying no because he doesnt like it is BS and a cop out.
And now I know why people say Floriduh.
agree
NFL Network radio personality thinks Elliott Wolf is a slam dunk only because he withdrew his name for SF consideration last January. I tend to agree.
sschumer - Packer Fan HoF'r posted:I just hope Murphy knows what he's doing.
Weeee !!!!!
Seriously, I agree with you on John Dorsey. Really think a lot of him. Missed opportunity.
Takes two to tango...
I hope he actually shelled out the three dollars for the tube ride.
Gas, grass or cash. Nobody rides for free!
bigdoggyjude posted:NFL Network radio personality thinks Elliott Wolf is a slam dunk only because he withdrew his name for SF consideration last January. I tend to agree.
That makes some sense to me. I would be somewhat shocked to find out that TT stepping down was a last second decision. GB is generally calculated in their course and I'm sure the succession plan has been in place for quite awhile.... probably after Bernie's 3rd stroke.
I am perfectly ok with young Wolf taking over the ship.
Murphy put his nuts in a vitamix this past week. This **** better come together. Otherwise someone is hitting the pulse button.
For the record I donât think Murphy survives this. I donât think heâs got a plan.
chickenboy posted:Sorry, that was as 'no-brainer' of a pick if there ever was one. A 'at one point' consensus overall #1 pick, a QB on your roster at the age he was at that time and we don't even know where TT had AR on his board. That was also the time when 4 was a bit out of control. I will also add that I recall most being supportive of the pick as he would have time to sit a bit and learn.
Really, as 'no-brainer' of a pick if there ever was one? The guy who made the pick, didn't think he'd be there, didn't think they needed a QB, and thought Rodgers might never play in GB due to Favre.
It takes a man who, in his first year running the Packersâ draft, in 2005, doesnât care about the outside voicesâin the media, in the league, from the populaceâwhen he picks a quarterback, Aaron Rodgers, in first round, knowing Rodgers would have to sit for three or four years, and maybe never play, behind the indestructible Brett Favre.
âThree or four days before the [2005] draft,â Thompson says, âweâre doing our research, going down the board, and Iâm looking, and I think, âNone of these teams are taking a quarterback.â I couldnât find one, after San Francisco. We hadnât really paid attention to Rodgers because we just figured heâd be gone. Plus, we didnât have that big a need there, obviously. So I just buried myself and went to look at all the Rodgers tapeâfrom games, from the combine, from his pro day. After a couple of days I just felt he was too good to pass. So I said, âIf he falls to us, weâre taking him.ââ
People booed.
We were picking 24th in 2005. He was our only first-round grade left on the Board. Crowd at Draft party below us booed. Turned out ok. pic.twitter.com/CnbmgQClPJ
â Andrew Brandt (@AndrewBrandt) October 8, 2017
ChilliJon posted:Murphy put his nuts in a vitamix this past week. This **** better come together. Otherwise someone is hitting the pulse button.
For the record I donât think Murphy survives this. I donât think heâs got a plan.
you may want to remove all sharp objects from your home.
El-Ka-Bong posted:chickenboy posted:I will also add that I recall most being supportive of the pick as he would have time to sit a bit and learn.People flipped their **** Ted didn't draft someone who would help the team that year. This might be where "Ted is being cute" started.
And I guarantee you BOTH Chickenboy and Digger were among those who bashed the pick. Both were Favre slurpers.
I thought the term was Favre ball washers??
Pakrz posted:If Schneider is available he'd be my first choice. If not, go with the young Wolf.
This is my thought too. My concern is that Wolf will leave if we pass on him now. And I know it is a stretch, but I can't help but wonder if Wolf could be the NFL's Theo Epstein: young, brilliant mind who becomes a master architect for a storied franchise.
Then again, Schneider could also fit that description. He's only 46.
Wolf has a lot of experience to draw on from Dad to TT. I think Gutie could be an excellent right hand for him too.
If they don't give Wolf the shot now, he might be looking elsewhere.
And there are lots of landing spots for him starting with Detroit & Chicago.
Better be careful!
I continue to be amazed at the national media and the TT suddenly stepped down or the BOD ordered it! This reminds me of the unmarried girl who has a baby ( and failed to inform her parents) and states very glibly "I had no idea I was pregnant'.
Lets review the evidence - I saw at least 6 articles in the MJS(beginning in late Sept) that alluded to just this scenario (TT becoming GM Emeritus) and scouting only. Now who speculates about this issue and exactly that scenario unless somebody not named TT is thinking about it! Second M3 is quietly given an extension for only 1 more year. Odd that a coach with one year left- fresh off an NFC Championship appearance gets only a one year deal and it is not spoken of until Jan of the next year. Third- the rapid departure of very well respected talent evaluator Alonzo Highsmith- usually means someone has read the tea leaves and his name wasn't on it- even before the search team is hired! So only a few know the real story but it is obvious it ain't been in the paper just yet! Looking at how things are shaking out I am trying to find a reason why Brian Gutekunst will not be the guy! I get the E Wolfe hype but how many guys that he has stomped the yard for have been players?? I don't know for certain but 3 years ago when they drafted Kyrii Thorton - he jumped around like he won the Super Bowl so you have to believe he was over that bust! If I were to find out he was high on Jerrell Worthy then please let him go to the Lions!!
Meh. I wouldn't hold those against him. Even the best in the business are completely wrong on some players. But they hit on enough on a consistent basis to keep the roster solid.
Regardless of who takes over, I'm confident they'll do a better job using free agency to supplement the roster. That's the one area where TT clearly failed.
Haha I do remember Wolf being fired up over Khyri Thornton.
Nobody is perfect.
I think Wolf would use FA, very well.
Gutie will be fine too. Just wonder what the other guy will think.
I don't want to lose Gutie or Wolf
Well here is a solution Boss. Co-GMs. Make 1 of them in charge of draft and develop and the other in charge of FA acquisitions. Keep them both and make them happy. 
ammo posted:I thought the term was Favre ball washers??
Yup, they did that too.
Co-GM would never work.
Wolf, 10 years younger, has essentially the same amount of player evaluation experience.
Goalline posted:El-Ka-Bong posted:chickenboy posted:I will also add that I recall most being supportive of the pick as he would have time to sit a bit and learn.People flipped their **** Ted didn't draft someone who would help the team that year. This might be where "Ted is being cute" started.
And I guarantee you BOTH Chickenboy and Digger were among those who bashed the pick. Both were Favre slurpers.
I fully admit to hating it at the time. I wanted defense, and I didn't want another Jeff Tedford trained bust.
Ted was right and people like me were Rong. It was truly one of the best draft picks any team has had in the past quarter century.
The reason I don't want Ball is that he is involved in everything but what we need improvement on--identifying good talent in the draft and free agency. If you hire him, then you likely lose Wolf and Gutekunst and make no progress on the goal of improving talent evaluation--and then we have to wait for Ball to find a talent evaluator (what with Highsmith already gone)
I think it is easier to find a finance guy like Ball than a guy who evaluates talent. That being said, I hope Murphy goes back through the record of the last 6-7 drafts and sees the evaluations that Wolf and Gutekunst each made on the players we drafted (event though TT had the final word). That history would provide great insight on their ability in evaluating talent.
antooo posted:I hope he actually shelled out the three dollars for the tube ride.
Gas, grass or cash. Nobody rides for free!
I think that was the college version.
In high school (when we were bombing around the town with girls...we would say: Gas, Cash, or Ass....Nobody Rides for Free!
(as a joke of course because we didn't want to be accused of sexual harassment) 