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More on the Stills trade. On the $$$ side, curiouser and curiouser.

@AlbertBreer: As @Rand_Getlin first reported, Dolphins are working on a trade to acquire WR Kenny Stills from the Saints for LB Dannell Ellerbe and a 3.

 

@AlbertBreer: So much for Saints slashing salaries. Ellerbe has 3 years and $20.95 million left on his deal. Stills has 2 years and $1.26 million on his.

 

@adbrandt: Good luck seeing that. RT @AlbertBreer: Ellerbe has 3 years and $20.95 million left on his deal.

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Originally Posted by Henry:

Is it me or does this seem like a bigger than usual dumb**** festival this year?

Much Bigger

This is why the NFL sent out the memo kvetching about the early release of deal info

They want to monetize the FA frenzy and they saw how many clicks/views/twitters go down in the first day. They want to have a TV show to announce all the FA moves. Mo Money

Roster building is entertainment

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The trades are what's making this year seem more intense. A lot of the deals being struck seem relatively sane, for the most part.

 

Re: Dallas

 

Their line is good overall, but a couple of the guys are pretty young and I'll never understand the Doug Free love at RT. he seems like an AJ Hawk/Kuhn: Great locker room guy and leader type, but lacking in playing skills.

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Originally Posted by cuqui:

It's not you, Hank. Seems to me 1/2 to 2/3 of league teams are badly managed and are either digging themselves into holes, trying to dig themselves out, and mortgaging their futures. Some all at the same time.

That's a big reason why teams like the Packers and Patriots are successful year after year. It isn't so much because Thompson and Belichick are geniuses, it's due the fact that most of the competition doesn't know what they're doing.

Originally Posted by Pack-Man:

It isn't so much because Thompson and Belichick are geniuses, it's due the fact that most of the competition doesn't know what they're doing.

Quite true, and they change so frequently that its hard to stick with one philosophy.

The Steelers did well because they kept the same coaches and schemes and knew what they were looking for every draft. Same with GB and NE- consistency at the top means they have a plan and stick to it over the long haul

Other teams change GMs/ coaches so fast that they spend a lot of their time undoing the previous regime before they can bring their plan to fruition. By then they may be gone

 

Thompson had the good fortune of having a HOF QB to keep the Packers viable while his plan came together. Other teams fire a coach/GM after 3 years just as its all coming together. And then they have to start over.

The fans are screaming for action, the seats need to be sold and self- preservation over-takes football smarts. Do Something !

 

The beauty of the Packers isn't that they invented some secret strategy, its that they have the balls to stick with it even when things look bleak or take longer than planned.

Testicular fortitude and belief in your plan

I actually think McFadden has some unused NFL talent and this overall isn't a bad move. It's not a solution to RB for Dallas but it's a nice pick up and he probably has a lower chance of re-injury behind that O-line. He's only 27 and that's young enough to see how he pans out in a new system, he has been on a team with no passing attack his entire career. Marshawn Lynch turned a corner when he switched teams and for the money McFadden could be a bargain.

 

I think Dallas's OL is a group of strong run blockers, but they are mediocre in pass pro. They get overrated because of the running stats and the fact that it's Dallas. I would take GBs OL over theirs any day. We have a balanced group who are strong in run blocking and pass pro...how many of the team sacks did they attribute to Rodgers? Over half of them wasn't it?

Continuing on the "most of these teams really don't have a f**king clue what they're doing" theme.

 

The Saints traded a cheap talent in Stills for an expansive talent in Ellerbe. Ok, that's not smart but in 2015 things like that are kind of expected and after a few minutes everyone moves onto the next suspect move.

 

The funny thing is Miami was cutting Ellerbe before the trade was finalized. They just didn't turn the paperwork in. So that worked out pretty well for Miami. And not quite so well for New Orleans. 

Originally Posted by ChilliJon:

Harvin is going to kick Incognito's ass in camp. I hope someone films it.

Incognito has 4 inches and about 130 pounds (with a large portion of that being muscle, by the look of him) on Harvin. Incognito would crush him like a bug. The smaller guy only wins in badly mismatched fights like that in Hollywood movies.

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You haven't seen or been in many fights have you?  Good rule of thumb, there is always someone badder than you are.  Even if it's only for one day.

 

Harvin strikes me as big a tweaker, lunatic, ****nut as Richie.  Richie just goes the bully route.  I've seen a stack of those clowns bleeding on the pavement.

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Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
Fortunately for Dallas I think they realized it was the OL making the difference and not the RB. That's why they saved some money and let Murray walk. What's funny is that OL is highly overrated. I thought they were tops in the league until I saw how GB worked them over in the playoffs.

According to the NFL's own rankings Oakland had a top 10 O-Line 3 out of the last 4 years...twice in the top 5. So how much of an improvement will McFadden really see?

That being said I actually like the McFadden pickup, he's 27 and has played* in a system with no passing attack to speak of. If I was Dallas I'd be thrilled to dump Murray's paycheck on a division rival, especially after I ran him into the ground last season...the first season of his career he actually didn't miss a game due to injuy. McFadden isn't flashy, but he's young enough to have a turnaround if given a second chance...Lynch was mediocre in Buffalo and didn't even play all 16 games in a season until his 7th year. Now he's a year older than McFadden, had more wear and tear than McFadden, and costing his team $8mil more a year than McFadden. I'd say this was a low risk/high reward pickup for Dallas on paper, although I've sworn off ever having him on my fantasy team no matter what colors he's wearing.

Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
I think Dallas's OL is a group of strong run blockers, but they are mediocre in pass pro. They get overrated because of the running stats and the fact that it's Dallas. I would take GBs OL over theirs any day. We have a balanced group who are strong in run blocking and pass pro...how many of the team sacks did they attribute to Rodgers? Over half of them wasn't it?

If you could combine them a line of Smith, Sitton, Frederick, Martin and Bulaga would be simply awesome.

Originally Posted by Goalline:

So, you think you could kick Bruce Lee's ass? 120 lb Bruce Lee, Packman?

That's a rather extreme example, wouldn't you say? The man was one of the greatest martial arts masters in modern times, and I'm just a guy (5'11, 170 pounds) who doesn't work out. With that said, the idea that he'd consistently win fights against heavily muscled men twice his size is something that only happens in fiction. People love the idea of the pencil necked kid taking karate lessons and then giving all of the bullies their comeuppance. Everyone (Americans, in particular) eats that stuff up because it's edifying, feel-good nonsense, it doesn't happen outside of the movies. Size (muscle mass, in particular) wins in the real world, that's why humans invented weapons.

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Originally Posted by Pack-Man:
Originally Posted by Goalline:

So, you think you could kick Bruce Lee's ass? 120 lb Bruce Lee, Packman?

That's a rather extreme example, wouldn't you say? The man was one of the greatest martial arts masters in modern times, and I'm just a guy (5'11, 170 pounds) who doesn't work out. With that said, the idea that he'd consistently win fights against heavily muscled men twice his size is something that only happens in fiction. People love the idea of the pencil necked kid taking karate lessons and then giving all of the bullies their comeuppance. Everyone (Americans, in particular) eats that stuff up because it's edifying, feel-good nonsense, it doesn't happen outside of the movies. Size (muscle mass, in particular) wins in the real world, that's why humans invented weapons.

Steve Smith disagrees with you. You are genralizing.

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