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Originally Posted by Grave Digger:
That's a weird move. This is his last year in the league IMO, he will retire.

The saying is players won't play for a lame duck coach. Maybe there's a plan for him to do just that after this season. McAdoo was being talked about as possible successor a while back.

 

I'd think the Maras will let Tom go out with his head held high. Those two Lombardis count for something. I mean he beat the greatest finishers ever, twice!

Originally Posted by Satori:
Originally Posted by Packdog:

Finish and you can be mentioned in the same success conversation as the Patriots. 

The story is only half written, and but for a questionable non-lynch call, the Pats would be 3-5 in the SB.

 

As it is, they are 4-4 while the Packers are 4-1. Which would you choose ?

Which SB record is the one that "finishes" and which one comes up short ? Hmmmm

 

 Nice spin, but I was referring to the Patriots finishing this year while the Packers crapped the bed. The Pack did not finish when they seemed the better team. 

 

Hate that I'm typing about the Patriots, as I detest them, but winning a Super Bowl Championships in 2001, 2003, 2004, and 2014 is impressive. Obviously the Packs history, as well as SB win percentage , is superior. However, I would think if you would ask Pats fans if they are proud of their team winning 4 Super Bowls in the last 14 years, they would say they are. 

@AdamSchefter: So DeMarco Murray is flying to Philadelphia, C.J. Spiller is flying to  New Orleans and RBs are going to start flying off the board.

Dallas has been rather standoffish with Murray throughout the run up to the FA period. Quizzical. AP, anyone?

 

EDIT:

@AlbertBreer: Sense with clubs that DeMarco Murray wants to stay in Dallas but drive the price up. Cowboys have been very disciplined.

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Originally Posted by Timmy!:

Talk about another team that is on the precipice of trash, burn, and rebuild...the Giants may well be one. Coughlin, Eli perhaps, and their other aging veterans.

When comments like that are made, seems like they decide to win the Bowl instead. Really amazing that that club has won two Super Bowls in the modern era.

Originally Posted by chickenboy:
Originally Posted by GEEMAN:

Didn't GB beat the Pats last season ? 

Yes they did. So did the Dolphins, Chiefs and Bills. Point?

You say that GB isn't on the same level as your Pats. I take that to mean that you think GB isn't as good a team as the Pats. So I mentioned the Packers win over the Pats to say I think otherwise. Pretty simple.

It's very simple.  The Packers have built a team apparatus that is yielding long term success, now they have to capitalize.  1 Superbowl for the Rodgers era, it's time to realistically claim more.  MM's offseason moves are the next evolution.  It's succeed exponentially or fail miserably at this point.

 

And for all general "genius" yammering attached to teams, lets just remember the sheer tonnage of luck that goes into a season.  The best organizations position themselves to capitalize on it when it comes knocking.  The Pats did it this past season.  

 

As far as Seattle, how many clubs have we seen put together the "unstoppable" team only due to being basement dwellers with high picks and then hitting on a hot streak?  That doesn't discount what the organization has done to get them there but again, come to me when the sustain it and don't fall off a cliff (NFC West).

 

New England, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, Giants and now Baltimore.  These are organizations that build for the long haul.  It's which ones capitalize on their upswing in luck and good planning that makes the difference.

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@RapSheet: Meanwhile, #Saints made a major push to sign CB Brandon Browner yesterday, offering him more than $5M per year. Could help that locker room.

Could be helpful on the Tramon Williams front. Both Williams and Browner have been in to see Saints' management over the past two days. Would Saints shell out this sort of coin to two +30yr old corners? 

 

I literally don't understand what's going on in Philly anymore.

 

You get rid of McCoy, only to replace him with an even more expensive older guy that lugged the rock almost 400 times last year?   You get rid of an inexpensive QB that has had 2 years in your system and has had success for an older FAR FAR more expensive guy that has blown out his knees twice and played all of 7 games the last two years.

 

Again, if you'd tell me he thinks it is his system on offense that's the star and the players are for all intents and purposes replaceable, I'd at least be able to understand the thought process.   If you replaced the RB and QB with serviceable/cheaper guys, I'd understand it.  But to simply swap out these guys for more expensive and similar talents makes no sense.  

 

It would have at least made sense to see him trade McCoy and a bunch of draft picks to try and grab Mariota.  This?  I don't know what the eff this is.  This feels like "making something happen", yet doing nothing of real significance to actually improve the team.  McCoy and Murray are similar talents.  I'd take McCoy though.  Neither Foles nor Bradford are elite QBs, but one is far cheaper, knows my system, and has proven he's serviceable.  That's a downgrade at a higher cost. 

 

I'm gobsmacked.  

If NO goes Browner and Tramon and Spiller, they are all in. It would be a one-year window to win the SB, two at the most, before they have to tear completely down and rebuild. By jettisoning Graham they opened up some cap space to sign more guys who they think can win now. Next up: Brees restructures to add another couple old vets, and the NO cap hell goes on. Just keep kicking that can down the road...

To recap, in less than 1 week. Chip has gone McCoy to Gore to Matthews to Murray. And as of this morning, neither McCoy or Gore or Matthews or Murray are actually RB's for the Philadelphia Eagles. Matthews has either decided to hold off on signing or Philly hasn't handed him a pen until they figure out if Murray is a better option.

 

Chip Kelly is going to do whatever the **** it is Chip Kelly is going to do. But after running DeSean, McCoy, and Macklin out of town and his handling of this RB derailment, he's quickly developing a rep as a guy best avoided at all costs come FA time. 

Originally Posted by Fandame:

If NO goes Browner and Tramon and Spiller, they are all in. It would be a one-year window to win the SB, two at the most, before they have to tear completely down and rebuild. By jettisoning Graham they opened up some cap space to sign more guys who they think can win now. Next up: Brees restructures to add another couple old vets, and the NO cap hell goes on. Just keep kicking that can down the road...

New Orleans is done. Window closed. No need to stop. Thanks for visiting. 

Seems like Chip likes playing fantasy football. Imagine being a vet on that team, a little uneasy ? Gets rid of starting QB, RB, and WR. Ryan Matthews has to be wondering WTF is going on, he better wait to sign till after Murray leaves town. Gore doesn't know how lucky he is to have escaped this mess. 

 

Looks the the scumbags in Dallas will be needing a RB (If Shefter is right). Sure would hate to see Gordon end up a Cowboy. 

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Yeah I can't figure out what Chip Kelly is doing.  Seems like he's playing Madden.  The McCoy/Gore/Murray/Matthews thing makes no sense.  I don't even know where to start when criticizing that situation.  And Foles for Bradford is a bad trade straight up, even worse when you factor in draft picks heading to St Louis.  Yes, Bradford had all the talent in the world out of college but none of it has been realized.  Bradford on a 1 year, $12-15m salary has negative value.  Best case Bradford has a good year and then you have to give him a long term contract for $15m per year (going rate for solid QBs) or franchise him for more than that.  Worst case?  He gets hurt (again) or sucks (again) and you just lost a cheap, serviceable QB in Foles and draft picks and you're back to having no QB in 2016.  And don't get me started on giving Sanchez anything more than the minimum.  

 

I think Chip is blowing this big time.   I think he's a great coach but he is a terrible GM.  If he doesn't make the playoffs next year, you have to wonder the reaction in Philly.  They're not exactly forgiving....

In other news, the Jags just released Red Bryant. Don't know what the market will be for him, but he could help the GB run defense and since he was released, I don't think signing him dings your compensatory picks.

 

Packs biggest needs remain ILB, NT, and now CB with House gone and Williams potentially on the way.

 

On the Kelly front, this is why MM deserves so much respect. One of the few very good coaches who doesn't have the massive ego to demand front office responsibilities. CK is following the Mike Holmgren path...excellent coach, awful GM.

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The real shocking one to me is Indy signing Gore and Johnson. Young team, young QB, filling holes with expensive 30+ offensive weapons? Next year looks great for eveyone involved but in 1-2 years they are in the same situation.

 

'Course, one SB banner looks a lot better than a bunch of  Division Champ banners, and Luck is young enough to make a couple runs before he's done.

Originally Posted by Packdog:

Hate that I'm typing about the Patriots

So don't do it.

I enjoy reading your work here Packdog, you have much to offer us 

Just know that if the Pats ever come up short in adulation at X4, there are many here who will gladly step up and lick their cheatin' balls.

 

You can focus your obvious talents elsewhere, knowing that job is well-covered 

Depending on what he wants, CJ Spiller would sure be an interesting look-see. As a change of pace, 3rd down, and KR, he would be pretty dynamic. Luxury item, I know, but I am just not a big believer in 44, and if Spiller isn't looking for $20M guaranteed he'd really make this offense scary.

It won't happen but he's out there and I'm guessing he's not going to get a big deal from anyone. Convince him winning is more important...
I actually agree, Spiller would be a really nice addition to the offense. We have two power runnera and I think they hoped they had that change of pace back with Harris, but he never panned out. Spiller isnt a 3 down RB, but he could be used in a lot of the same ways as Cobb except he's more of a RB first and a WR second. Like Cobb he would be a mismatch for LBs.

I'm curious about Red Bryant, I don't know why Jacksonville would cut him? I wondered the same thing about why Seattle let him walk last year when they really didn't have a replacement as a run defender. Curious what his deal is.
Originally Posted by CAPackFan95:

I literally don't understand what's going on in Philly anymore.

 

You get rid of McCoy, only to replace him with an even more expensive older guy that lugged the rock almost 400 times last year?   You get rid of an inexpensive QB that has had 2 years in your system and has had success for an older FAR FAR more expensive guy that has blown out his knees twice and played all of 7 games the last two years.

 

Again, if you'd tell me he thinks it is his system on offense that's the star and the players are for all intents and purposes replaceable, I'd at least be able to understand the thought process.   If you replaced the RB and QB with serviceable/cheaper guys, I'd understand it.  But to simply swap out these guys for more expensive and similar talents makes no sense.  

 

It would have at least made sense to see him trade McCoy and a bunch of draft picks to try and grab Mariota.  This?  I don't know what the eff this is.  This feels like "making something happen", yet doing nothing of real significance to actually improve the team.  McCoy and Murray are similar talents.  I'd take McCoy though.  Neither Foles nor Bradford are elite QBs, but one is far cheaper, knows my system, and has proven he's serviceable.  That's a downgrade at a higher cost. 

 

I'm gobsmacked.  

Wait, you just explained it perfectly; what is going on in Philly. What is your problem? Broke down Chip Kelly's grand scheme.

1. Production sucks. Ditch it as soon as possible.

2. Older players are more mature. Especially if they've had injuries in the past. Humbles them. SIGN THEM.

3. The more money you spend the better the players will play. SPEND IT!

 

Makes perfect sense to me. What's the problem.

I've never understood the love CJ Spiller gets. He's done virtually nothing in 5 years. Hell, Darren McFadden would be as good an option at possibly 1/2 the price. Then again I wouldn't spend anything on either of them with Rajion Neal waiting for his opportunity. 

 

Starks contract is up next year. He's done nothing that says TT needs to dip into FA for a better option. Let Starks play out his deal. Let's see what Rajion can do. 

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