Forgettable.
Who?
This guy says we should sign both Reed and Bowman.
Knee-jerk reaction. Best to take Gute's approach and see what the team has first.
Yep. Jake Ryan isn't Mike Daniels or Matthews. He serves a purpose but he is replaceable. He's mini-Hawk (actually probably better). Tackles are nice but if it's the same clean up tackles 5 to 7 yards off the LOS, who gives a **** .
I will say this, Ryan is up on the LOS more than Hawk was or at least not getting blown off the ball as much.
See who is on the roster.
Grave Digger posted:Ryan's not perfect, but we are going to miss his production.
This is the reason I can't stand 50 drunks in a bar. He stopped the run. Where on the field? It's a idiotic bull**** stat just like when PFF tagged Hawk as one of the best players of the game (I can't remember which game but it was thoroughly discussed) after we watched him getting torched and trucked as much as he made a stop. PFF and how people have glommed onto it throughout the NFL is ****ing hilarious.
I can't stand stats like this.
Run-Stop Percentage
Our run-stop percentage figure is the amount of defensive stops a defender makes against the run compared to the amount of snaps he played in run defense. Obviously, a player who has played 400-plus snaps against the run is going to have a gaudy amount of tackle opportunities and similarly, a player with less time spent against the run will have less. Run-stop percentage averages out the amount of stops per snap essentially, giving a true testament of how impactful a player was on a per-play basis.
So 11.2% of the time Jake Ryan was on the field in run defense he made a "stop", which they define a "stop" as at, behind, or within 4 yards of the line to get on 1st down, 50% of the line to gain on 2nd down, and preventing the offense from reaching the line to gain on 3rd and 4th down. They categorize a "stop" as a win for the defense, which I think is actually fair. Under 4 ypc is a win for the D IMO.
I don't think these stats are the pinnacle of football stats, but I do appreciate the detail with which PFF analyzes each players individual performance. If your criteria for a successful "run stop" is different then yeah these stats are useless for you. For the record, PFF ranked Hawk in the bottom 5 of the league in run stop % for the final 3 years of his career in GB.
McCarthy on what he's seen from veteran TE Marcedes Lewis in pads: "He's a big man, but he's powerful. His ability to block on the line is the first thing that jumps out at you."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 2, 2018
In other words, we haven't had 6 OL who knew were they we're doing block for us before at one time.
Ya, I can see AR and these RB's being giddy lining up in front of that wall.
And right when you think Lewis is lined up to destroy a LB on an off tackle trap he releases on PA and now you have to deal with 6’6” with a free release because the LB avoided the block that never happened.
According to Tom Pelissero of NFL Network, the Packers have “discussed” internally the possibility of adding free agent linebacker NaVorro Bowman – and other veteran options at the position – since Ryan went down with a torn ACL on Monday.
Contingency planning.
Adding a veteran FA to fill a key position instead of relying on UDFA's that have no game experience, what a novel idea.
Grave Digger posted:Run-Stop Percentage
Our run-stop percentage figure is the amount of defensive stops a defender makes against the run compared to the amount of snaps he played in run defense. Obviously, a player who has played 400-plus snaps against the run is going to have a gaudy amount of tackle opportunities and similarly, a player with less time spent against the run will have less. Run-stop percentage averages out the amount of stops per snap essentially, giving a true testament of how impactful a player was on a per-play basis.
So 11.2% of the time Jake Ryan was on the field in run defense he made a "stop", which they define a "stop" as at, behind, or within 4 yards of the line to get on 1st down, 50% of the line to gain on 2nd down, and preventing the offense from reaching the line to gain on 3rd and 4th down. They categorize a "stop" as a win for the defense, which I think is actually fair. Under 4 ypc is a win for the D IMO.
I don't think these stats are the pinnacle of football stats, but I do appreciate the detail with which PFF analyzes each players individual performance. If your criteria for a successful "run stop" is different then yeah these stats are useless for you. For the record, PFF ranked Hawk in the bottom 5 of the league in run stop % for the final 3 years of his career in GB.
4 ypc is a first down.
Stat wienies be stat wienies, more power to you stat wienies. I've seen too much of PFF's "in depth" analysis which doesn't pass the eyeball test.
JK Scott punted eight times:
— Michael Cohen (@Michael_Cohen13) August 2, 2018
61 yards, 4.67 hang
50, 4.81
55, 4.75
53, 4.22
48, 4.57
48, 4.25
59, 4.94
48, 4.25 #Packers
All-Pro punter JK Scott has a nice ring to it
— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) August 2, 2018
Grave Digger posted:Adding a veteran FA to fill a key position instead of relying on UDFA's that have no game experience, what a novel idea.
Depending if the vet has anything in the tank. Bowman definitely has an injury history piling up. I don't think it's a bad option with a friendly contract. It sounds like Gippenyip is keeping the avenues open.
Ryan is a marginal player, decent against the run but horrid in coverage. It's a Passing league, very replaceable player.
Cant wait to see Pettine's defense. Capers frequently used 2 DL and often used Clay and Perry as DE, I believe it contributed to them getting worn down. Going with 3 DL more regularly should provide better middle pash-rush and to being even more stout against the run. Should provide more opportunity for the OLB too !! Hopefully we see Odom or Gilbert step up to add to the flexibility of how Clay's used.
DEFENSE !!!!
Let’s forget Ryan for one second. If Blake Martinez is lost to injury GB is totally ****ed in the middle. So Bowman or Dansby on the cheap makes complete sense if for no other reason as insurance.
Henry posted:4 ypc is a first down.
Stat wienies be stat wienies, more power to you stat wienies. I've seen too much of PFF's "in depth" analysis which doesn't pass the eyeball test.
That's true, that's why I said under 4 ypc. I don't think PFF is THE source for analysis, but it's a starting point and offers some value. In general you don't see bad players score well on their stats for a whole season. Maybe an AJ Hawk has a good game, it did happen a couple times, but overall their stats point toward good players performing well and sucky players sucking. This stat doesn't point to Jake Ryan being good, just that he has done things that are good.
Aaron Rodgers with a holy !$&@ end to 2-minute drill. First, drew Reggie Gilbert offside with hard count on 4th down. (No biggie, happens all the time.) Then, rolling left, throws a NO LOOK pass from 26 yards out to the RIGHT corner end zone to Geronimo Allison.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 2, 2018
That was stupid.
@ByRyanWood 2m 2 minutes ago
Before the 4th down, Rodgers would have caught #Packers defense with too many on the field during substitution, but ref stood over the ball. He wasn’t happy. And this is what happens when Aaron Rodgers isn’t happy.
Ridiculous.
Dansby, though older, may be a better fit. And more durable even at 36.
packerboi posted:Aaron Rodgers with a holy !$&@ end to 2-minute drill. First, drew Reggie Gilbert offside with hard count on 4th down. (No biggie, happens all the time.) Then, rolling left, throws a NO LOOK pass from 26 yards out to the RIGHT corner end zone to Geronimo Allison.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 2, 2018
That was stupid.@ByRyanWood 2m 2 minutes ago
Before the 4th down, Rodgers would have caught #Packers defense with too many on the field during substitution, but ref stood over the ball. He wasn’t happy. And this is what happens when Aaron Rodgers isn’t happy.
Ridiculous.
So he was blowin' down some stacks.
Sometimes throwing a visual relax reminder is better than easing everyones concerns with quotes.
JK Scott punted eight times:
61 yards, 4.67 hang
That won't get it done - He wants 6.1 hang-time from his previous comments.
Re: Rodgers.....Please don't sign him to an extension until February 2019
It’s just camp. Again. It’s just camp.... But the numbers for JK Scott are silly.
Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:4 ypc is a first down.
Stat wienies be stat wienies, more power to you stat wienies. I've seen too much of PFF's "in depth" analysis which doesn't pass the eyeball test.
That's true, that's why I said under 4 ypc. I don't think PFF is THE source for analysis, but it's a starting point and offers some value. In general you don't see bad players score well on their stats for a whole season. Maybe an AJ Hawk has a good game, it did happen a couple times, but overall their stats point toward good players performing well and sucky players sucking. This stat doesn't point to Jake Ryan being good, just that he has done things that are good.
You know whose stat model I like? Football Outsiders. I have yet to see anyone else use a stat model that reflects what is really happening on the field like those guys. I truly don't get PFF. But hey, pump out a **** ton of mostly meaningless stats, THEY'RE EXPERTS!
I'm not attacking you or anyone else but PFF. I just think they're a joke.
ChilliJon posted:It’s just camp. Again. It’s just camp.... But the numbers for JK Scott are silly.
Opie. For good or bad he'll always be my Opie Whizburger.
You'll have to change that to Whizbanger. Or Whizboomer. I'm sure there are others.
Henry posted:Grave Digger posted:Henry posted:4 ypc is a first down.
Stat wienies be stat wienies, more power to you stat wienies. I've seen too much of PFF's "in depth" analysis which doesn't pass the eyeball test.
That's true, that's why I said under 4 ypc. I don't think PFF is THE source for analysis, but it's a starting point and offers some value. In general you don't see bad players score well on their stats for a whole season. Maybe an AJ Hawk has a good game, it did happen a couple times, but overall their stats point toward good players performing well and sucky players sucking. This stat doesn't point to Jake Ryan being good, just that he has done things that are good.
You know whose stat model I like? Football Outsiders. I have yet to see anyone else use a stat model that reflects what is really happening on the field like those guys. I truly don't get PFF. But hey, pump out a **** ton of mostly meaningless stats, THEY'RE EXPERTS!
I'm not attacking you or anyone else but PFF. I just think they're a joke.
Neither one of you gets PFF PERIOD! Very clear to me they are a parody of good football stats, and yes, they are hilarious.
Henry posted:ChilliJon posted:It’s just camp. Again. It’s just camp.... But the numbers for JK Scott are silly.
Opie. For good or bad he'll always be my Opie Whizburger.
Can’t be an Opie without Stuffed. Just can’t. They were picked together. Same round. No Stuffed. No Opie.
#Packers WR Geronimo Allison didn’t really get the fuss over Aaron Rodgers’ no-look TD pass. He knew it was special, but not surprising. This is why...
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 2, 2018
A great explanation of what it’s like to be in the field when Aaron Rodgers does Aaron Rodgers things. pic.twitter.com/iM5MKQgip2
Oh. Hi. I'm going to throw you a pass no other QB in football can make. This is a test to you. Yes, you.
Congrats Grasshopper.
This play was fairly significant for Geronimo Allison also. "He does stuff like that," Allison said. "Sometimes it’s to test you." It's big that Allison passed the test. "He just told me, 'That’s a good job. That’s the way to be alert.'"
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 2, 2018
Rodgers obviously doesn't like Allison
packerboi posted:#Packers WR Geronimo Allison didn’t really get the fuss over Aaron Rodgers’ no-look TD pass. He knew it was special, but not surprising. This is why...
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 2, 2018
A great explanation of what it’s like to be in the field when Aaron Rodgers does Aaron Rodgers things. pic.twitter.com/iM5MKQgip2
One of Rodgers' best throws was against Chicago where he was being tackled and threw the opposite way about 35 yards for a TD. Play was called back for Packers holding penalty. http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-...nullified-by-penalty
packerboi posted:McCarthy on what he's seen from veteran TE Marcedes Lewis in pads: "He's a big man, but he's powerful. His ability to block on the line is the first thing that jumps out at you."
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 2, 2018
In other words, we haven't had 6 OL who knew were they we're doing block for us before at one time.
Ya, I can see AR and these RB's being giddy lining up in front of that wall.
I was at practice this past Tuesday. Both Graham and Lewis are as advertised. Graham's a big guy and he looks spindly next to Lewis.
Wilkerson was an absolute load in the few plays I saw him. Another big, big man.
Eq. Brown looks as smooth as butter running routes. J'Mon had a rough practice. Cobb and DA looked good although DA had a nasty drop on a deep curl. Right in his hands and he bricked it.
Rodgers clearly loves him some Jimmy Graham. DB's just can't cope well with his size/speed/hands combo. Rodgers looked great as usual. He's just dealing out there every play. I would say Pettine was bringing blitz pressure in ways at times that was causing the RBs fits, and looked as if it was surprising 12 a bit also.
As others have pointed out, Boyle looks like the real deal. Big arm and a classic NFL throwing motion. Both Kizer and Hundley have terrible footwork and loosey goosey mechanics. I didn't see enough of the backups actually running plays to make any judgements in that regard.
As Packersnews.com and others have reported, Bulaga is evidently a lot farther ahead in rehab than we'd expect. He looks to be in great shape and was pushing himself very hard in rehab drills.
All for what it's worth.
All I have to say is there’s a lot of talent out there without a Super Bowl ring:
Pettine
Graham
lewis
wilkerson
Davante.
I expect the hunger to give us an edge at times.
just saying.
From what I've heard, Ryan was only going to play in about 20% of the snaps this season due to the Packers running a lot of nickel and dime on defense. Oren Burks will have to step up for those snaps. At some point Cole Madison will be at camp. Do the Packers have to cut someone to make room for him?
#Packers coach Mike McCarthy says RT Bryan Bulaga passed his physical today, and he'll practice in a limited fashion. That's rather amazing, since he isn't quite nine months from tearing his right ACL.
— Ryan Wood (@ByRyanWood) August 3, 2018