Here we go. Num num num num.
Some excellent passes. Great physical tools. Notice anything about half of those highlights? Keepers? Coverage? WR playing against CBs that may or may not shave yet?
The potential is there.
I was researching a bit on some other project/raw/development QBs that succeeded in the NFL. This one was just eerie with how similar they are, especially on reading D and field awareness.
Josh Allen was (supposedly) the riskiest QB pick of the among all the QB's picked that year (2018) and he's turned out to be far and away the best.
@The Crusher posted:Josh Allen was (supposedly) the riskiest QB pick of the among all the QB's picked that year (2018) and he's turned out to be far and away the best.
AND Allen did not play well in his first year on the field, but has grown to be quite effective.
That's nice. Is Nub Josh Allen?
Also, I reserve judgement until these guys are a few years in and playing consistently. *Goff*.
I'd add Wentz as well.....he fell off a cliff performance-wise
@The Crusher posted:Josh Allen was (supposedly) the riskiest QB pick of the among all the QB's picked that year (2018) and he's turned out to be far and away the best.
And I think it's because they brought him along the right way. They let him rely on his legs as he developed as a passer. But unlike some previous running QBs, they didn't let him become overly reliant on running, and continued to push him to progress as a passer. Seems pretty simple but it takes the right coaching staff to do this. I think MLF will be that type of coach, mixing in some concepts to give Love confidence while still pushing him to become a complete passer.
But when it goes bad, it's because coaches need those 2-3 more wins than they need the QB to fully develop by year 3. A coach doesn't care if the QB wins the MVP that third year if he gets fired during the second year.
Love seems to be a pocket passer even if he has the athleticism to run. He just doesn't seem all that comfortable in the pocket yet. Or have any kind of consistency.
Josh Allen's supporting cast made a big difference as well. John Brown and Zay Jones were his #1 for his first two years and then they brought in Diggs, featured Beasley more, and bumped Brown back to a better role as the #3/deep threat. Certainly his fundamentals and decision making improved, but life is a lot easier when you have Stefon Diggs. If GB can keep Davante, Amari develops to be the player he can be, Tonyan stays consistent, and they continue to bring in competition for the #3/4/5 spot then Love will have options to thrive.
And I think MLF's offense will make it easier on Love too. I mean the same offense got Goff and Garappolo to Super Bowls. Their limitations showed in those Super Bowls, so the hope is that Love will just be a better QB. But I'm optimistic based on what is likely to be around Love.
I think the national media is really missing the boat on the weapons this offense has. Jones is a top 5 complete RB - runner, receiver, and pass protector. Dillon looks like he could be a top 5 runner in between the tackles, freeing up Jones to be more dynamic on outside runs and pass plays. Adams is arguably the best WR in the game right now. Tonyan looks legit, and should be better than last year. MVS is a damn good deep threat and if he gets the drops figured out, no reason he can't go for 1,000 yards and 10 long TDs. You can't ignore what a deep threat WR does for an offense. And I think Rodgers will finally give this team a true slot WR. But the media just can't get past "no first round WR". It's crazy.
@CUPackFan posted:And I think MLF's offense will make it easier on Love too. I mean the same offense got Goff and Garappolo to Super Bowls. Their limitations showed in those Super Bowls, so the hope is that Love will just be a better QB. But I'm optimistic based on what is likely to be around Love.
I think the national media is really missing the boat on the weapons this offense has. Jones is a top 5 complete RB - runner, receiver, and pass protector. Dillon looks like he could be a top 5 runner in between the tackles, freeing up Jones to be more dynamic on outside runs and pass plays. Adams is arguably the best WR in the game right now. Tonyan looks legit, and should be better than last year. MVS is a damn good deep threat and if he gets the drops figured out, no reason he can't go for 1,000 yards and 10 long TDs. You can't ignore what a deep threat WR does for an offense. And I think Rodgers will finally give this team a true slot WR. But the media just can't get past "no first round WR". It's crazy.
Exactly. Do you know how many WR's the Patriots have drafted in Round ! since Tom Brady became a starter in 2000? ONE. K'Neal Harry in 2019, and I am not sure he is still on the team. In 2004 they drafted a TE (Ben Watson) in the first round, and in total, they drafted 4 WR's in the second round (Aaron Dobson, Chad Jackson, Deion Branch and Bethel Johnson; compare that group with Jordy, Cobb, and Jennings) , along with Gronk. Doesn't seem to have hurt them. Maybe someone in the media should take a look at that.
Yes this obsession with WR draft slot is just so odd, I've never really seen the media key on it like this. Like who cares where Davante Adams was drafted as long as he's a stud on the field? It's actually BETTER to get stud WRs outside of the first round so you can spend those picks on guys like Savage and Alexander. And you could actually make the case that teams are better off NOT drafting WRs in the first round, in that WR is a position that doesn't fade as you get further into the draft (at least not like other positions).
I don't know, it's just so weird. F*ckin' media.
@Henry posted:I was researching a bit on some other project/raw/development QBs that succeeded in the NFL. This one was just eerie with how similar they are, especially on reading D and field awareness.
ARod is a self-made pro qb. Snubbed on scholarships, swallowing his pride to go the juco route. Less than stellar mechanics and ball position. Snubbed in the draft. He worked his ass off and learned what to do and just as importantly what not to do. He had the right people around him at the right times, but that can also mean little if you aren't willing to be the student.
If Nub learns/learned anything from 12, I hope it's how to put in the work and do the preparation. If he can put his head down and work, there's no reason he can't become a solid starter or better. It's the toughest position in pro sports, but it's also one where the work in spring and summer and during the week can narrow and close any gaps that are in your game.
I don’t know about him being snubbed in the draft- he was a first round pick. He was strongly considered for the #1 overall. The board just kinda worked out that he fell…
you really can't see how he'd feel snubbed?
@CUPackFan posted:Yes this obsession with WR draft slot is just so odd, I've never really seen the media key on it like this. Like who cares where Davante Adams was drafted as long as he's a stud on the field? It's actually BETTER to get stud WRs outside of the first round so you can spend those picks on guys like Savage and Alexander. And you could actually make the case that teams are better off NOT drafting WRs in the first round, in that WR is a position that doesn't fade as you get further into the draft (at least not like other positions).
I don't know, it's just so weird. F*ckin' media.
I remember articles about how getting rid of HaHa was a snub to Rodgers even though he was a complete stiff on defense.
It's a convenient go to sound bite at this point. It doesn't mean anything. When you can overlook Jennings, Jordy and Adams being 2nd rounders with nothing but incredibly production or harp on a busted ass defensive piece being a slight there's zero legitimacy to it.
Any real analysis as to the team's failures or successes doesn't exist in those arguments.
@CUPackFan posted:And I think MLF's offense will make it easier on Love too. I mean the same offense got Goff and Garappolo to Super Bowls. Their limitations showed in those Super Bowls, so the hope is that Love will just be a better QB. But I'm optimistic based on what is likely to be around Love.
Really think this auto QB offense narrative is a dead end. What got Goff And Jimmy Cousins to Super Bowls was monster defenses opposite those offenses.
Love doesn't have that luxury to go along with the other steep learning curves he has to overcome in this circus like environment.
@"We"-Ka-Bong posted:you really can't see how he'd feel snubbed?
From his perspective? Sure, I can see him having that chip on his shoulder.
I think the green room humiliation was more than enough.
How about getting over a so called slight from almost 2 decades ago?
As Kinky Friedman so eloquently said....let Saigon’s be bygones
Exactly. Dude is talking about it every single day
So umm....Love is looking good so far....Hmmm.....whatta shocker.
Rodgers staying away seems to be helping Love. Isn't that interesting
Here's 20 minutes of why he thinks he deserves more of something....
What does NOG high/lowlights have to do with Jordan Love? The NOG thread is closed. Let it die a peaceful death.
I missed this quote from April, forgive me if someone already posted. A different, but good perspective on Love’s INT issue in 2019.
https://www.si.com/nfl/packers...res-why-to-not-worry
“He’s got more natural talent than any quarterback in this draft, including Tua (Tagovailoa), including Joe Burrow,” [Former NFL scout and Senior Bowl Director Jim] Nagy said. “He makes it look effortless. In any walk of life, the great ones make it look easy. He makes things look easy on the football field. There were so many factors on why this year went the way it did. Skeptics will say, ‘Oh, those are excuses.’ They’re not excuses; they’re reasons. His offensive line was as bad as any offensive line I’ve seen in a while. He had no offensive skill guys. I put out a tweet two months ago that he’s the only quarterback I’ve ever scouted that’s going to be throwing into bigger windows in the NFL than he threw into in college. The only one that’s even close is Matt Ryan at Boston College his last year there. What this guy could be if he sat a year, even two years, you could hit on a really, really high-end player – a Pro Bowl-level player. This isn’t just some guy. I thought it was a great move.”
I think what it comes down to is if you’re a pessimist or you hated the pick then you’re looking at 2019 and saying he’s awful. If you’re an optimist then you’re looking at 2018 and saying he’s the next big star.
@Boris posted:So umm....Love is looking good so far....Hmmm.....whatta shocker.
Rodgers staying away seems to be helping Love. Isn't that interesting
It's a good sign, no doubt, but I don't think anyone ever questioned that Love has the physical talent to succeed. This isn't a Rich Campbell situation. It's whether he can make the quick decisions and the reads against live NFL defenses. If he's the starter, he's getting put onto a team that's gone to two title games and gone 28-8 the last 2 years. Almost every consequential player is back (except for half a season of Bakh), and swapping him in for AR is the only change. He could be really good, but he's probably going to take 2-3 years to get there. Even Payton Manning threw 28 interceptions his first year.
Yeah and AR at the start was inconsistent....
@Grave Digger posted:I think what it comes down to is if you’re a pessimist or you hated the pick then you’re looking at 2019 and saying he’s awful. If you’re an optimist then you’re looking at 2018 and saying he’s the next big star.
Or you're a realist and you can see the potential along with the warts.
Wanting to win a Super Bowl with your current HOF MVP QB isn't pessimism.
@Henry posted:Or you're a realist and you can see the potential along with the warts.
Wanting to win a Super Bowl with your current HOF MVP QB isn't pessimism.
They have a much better chance of winning the Super Bowl this year with AR than they do with Jordan Love. Even if Jordan Love turns out to be their third consecutive HOF-level QB, he's going to have some growing pains. There is no question they are a Super Bowl contender with Rodgers this year. If they make the wild-card game with a first-year starter, that would have to be considered a success.
@Henry posted:Or you're a realist and you can see the potential along with the warts.
Wanting to win a Super Bowl with your current HOF MVP QB isn't pessimism.
Quite a stretch, seems like you just want to talk about Aaron Rodgers. Pessimists will only look at the bad in Jordan Love. People like you who have already made up their mind that the pick was bad will only look at the bad and say that is who Love is. Some people will never give Love a shot until he proves he's elite and even then will pick at his game forever. People do it to Aaron Rodgers still. Has nothing to do with your vision for how the organization should be run or Aaron Rodgers. I think GB should stick with Aaron Rodgers through his contract also, has nothing to do with my optimism about Jordan Love, which I consider myself to be an optimist in this context. I look at his 2018 season and see the kind of production he's capable of making.
I’m in GB territory so all the reports I’ve heard is Love is looking far more confident and processing decisions better. Granted, it’s OTAs, but you would not have heard anything like that a year ago.
We should hear things like that, right? If the staff is worth their salt Love should be improving and becoming more confident.
Goldie can kiss my ass…
Jordan is my new boyfriend!
Wait, does that seem rong?
@Blair Kiel posted:Goldie can kiss my ass…
Jordan is my new boyfriend!
Wait, does that seem rong?
Yes, it does seem so rong. 
@Tschmack posted:I’m in GB territory so all the reports I’ve heard is Love is looking far more confident and processing decisions better. Granted, it’s OTAs, but you would not have heard anything like that a year ago.
In fairness, there was no extra motivation to say such things a year ago. He should no doubt be expected to look better a year later, but it's also a talking point that is quite useful for the FO to use as well. How much of it is true will be evident soon enough.
As this long offseason has worn on, I personally am kind of looking forward to Love's opportunity that lies ahead. If nothing else, he seems like a guy that has quietly went about his business and tried to focus on making himself better and staying away from any drama (which is nice for a change!!!).
He's going to have some drama coming his way that will not be of his own doing and I wish nothing but the best for this young 22 year old QB with vast potential. I just wish he was going to have 1 more year under his belt at least before being put in the situation that I expect him to be in this year based on how this off-season is going with a certain future Hall Of Fame QB deciding to be a petty asshole.
Excited to see what Jordan Love does with the opportunity.
@Grave Digger posted:Quite a stretch, seems like you just want to talk about Aaron Rodgers. Pessimists will only look at the bad in Jordan Love. People like you who have already made up their mind that the pick was bad will only look at the bad and say that is who Love is. Some people will never give Love a shot until he proves he's elite and even then will pick at his game forever. People do it to Aaron Rodgers still. Has nothing to do with your vision for how the organization should be run or Aaron Rodgers. I think GB should stick with Aaron Rodgers through his contract also, has nothing to do with my optimism about Jordan Love, which I consider myself to be an optimist in this context. I look at his 2018 season and see the kind of production he's capable of making.
The stretch is defining delusion as either optimism or pessimism. Don't ever forget that's what fandom is.
"Talking about Aaron Rodgers" is pretty inevitable don't you think especially when you're the one drawing up the lines of pessimism and optimism? Of course you don't.
I'm cheering for the kid because he's what's left. I don't think it's unrealistic to be disappointed as a whole knowing your team just went from a Super Bowl contender to a soft rebuild because of the most important position in sports.
So yes, I'm looking forward to seeing what he does but wouldn't be surprised at all if Bortles is the starter come regular season.
The only thing I've read so far out of OTAs is the JSOnline "Love learns offense by taking what the defense gives him". Nothing wrong with that. It's what you'd expect from a technical rookie and hopefully it's the first step on helping him get over the mental dum dums.
If he's got a great oline in front of him then playing like he did in 2018 is just what the doctor ordered until he gets used to the pro game.