I am curious if he will come back to Green Bay to have Dr Anderson fox him. Widely considered the one of the best foot ankle guys in the country.
nevermind doc went back to NC and Duke/Panthers.
@vitaflo posted:This is one thing I noticed about Love, while our O-line is miles better than the Jets, he stood in the pocket and took a few hits from d-linemen so he could stay in rhythm with his throws. Something Aaron has been lacking for a while, especially over the middle for some reason.
I agree that Love was calm and cool in the pocket. However, he took 1 sack (his own fault) and was touched only 3 times. That’s amazing OL protection.
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@PackerBackerDPM posted:I am curious if he will come back to Green Bay to have Dr Anderson fox him. Widely considered the one of the best foot ankle guys in the country.
nevermind doc went back to NC and Duke/Panthers.
AR could still have a dr “fox” him in Fox River Valley. 😉
@MichiganPacker posted:Kobe Bryant went to the FT line and made both FTs after the play he popped his Achilles on.
Kobe didn't have 300+ pound lineman diving at his ankles during those free throws.
@michiganjoe posted:
The play he got hurt on with Wilson running wide open.
Except the DB coming downhill right into Theo throwing lane, but sure…..
Well...what a revoltin' development this is!
It's too bad for everyone involved, really. And the implications are far-reaching.
Strictly my opinion: I think the Jets are screwed, blued, and tattooed.
In the short term, they'll certainly have to sign another QB for depth, and go with Wilson, good or bad. But surely there's no way they have the $$$ to sign a Brady, or even a mid-tier guy (assuming one is available).
Even if they were to, how long would they last behind that OL?
Now, the team may wind up rallying behind Wilson, and play inspired football, but I think they are an 8-9 win team, at best. Between their division foes, and their OL, they won't have a horseshoe you-know-where. Their defense can keep them in a lot of games, but I don't think the offense can generate enough points against the better teams.
Try as I might to resist, I can't help having a little smug satisfaction. Both the sort- and long-term future of the Packers appears MUCH brighter!
I hope the Jets organization enjoys the next ten months of AR playing the “will I or won’t I retire” schtick with them, the fans and the media.
Meanwhile, the Packers can concentrate on football.
@Boris posted:Kobe didn't have 300+ pound lineman diving at his ankles during those free throws.
I was more referring to the fact that Rodgers could walk a little bit after he got hurt last night.
However, Kobe was a different level than most athletes in terms of intensity and drive. The only guy I can think of that was more pathologically competitive than him was Jordan. Neither was a great teammate, and both could be a**holes in real life (Kobe- Colorado).
@Herschel posted:Except the DB coming downhill right into Theo throwing lane, but sure…..
Here's the wide angle. The guy 10 yards behind Wilson has a chance to tackle him after the catch, but you can't blow guys up anymore across the middle and this is about as open as it gets on a slant pass. 
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The Jets are completely screwed until 2026.
Look at the dead cap hits if Rodgers retires after this.
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Don't call a cut-block on a play so your QB can hang onto the ball. His apparent improvisation shouldn't surprise any Packer fans.
@MichiganPacker posted:Here's the wide angle. The guy 10 yards behind Wilson has a chance to tackle him after the catch, but you can't blow guys up anymore across the middle and this is about as open as it gets on a slant pass.
Watch the whole play again. Cook runs to the left flat like a screen. The linebacker comes across to Cook, but Floyd doesn’t come up field immediately, and Brown doesn’t get the cut, spoiling the immediate throw.
‘Rodgers looks right to “lock” the underneath bracket on Lazard and Ozumah coming across behind him, with Hardman (I think) outside right. They want that DB coming down because Wilson splits between Lazard and Ozumah, hopefully getting a pick, and Wilson running into open space on a second window and the chance to split the safety and the LCB.
I watched the play multiple times. Wilson is wide ass open. He just decided not to throw to him for whatever reason.
@MichiganPacker posted:The Jets are completely screwed until 2026.
Look at the dead cap hits if Rodgers retires after this.
The Jets only saving grace would be that Rodgers ego won’t let him retire and he comes back in 24. I can’t say I’d blame him for not wanting to go out this way plus the added “down” year of 2022.
But the Jets are also screwed in that their defense is likely good enough to get them 8 wins ( eg see last night ). So that likely means they are not getting a top pick for a QB in the next draft either. In other words , the factory of sadness continues
@vitaflo posted:I watched the play multiple times. Wilson is wide ass open. He just decided not to throw to him for whatever reason.
100% correct. He didn't want the check down / short throw.....and let a playmaker do all the work running (YAC....GASP!!) He wants to let the routes develop and throw the hero ball for the "shock and awe" long touchdown.
Completely disagree @Herschel
@vitaflo posted:He's going to be in a boot for a long time. Usually when guys have something like that or are put on IR, they aren't on the sidelines.
I completely tore mine when I was 25. That was 28 years ago, and I didn't have access to NFL doctors, rehab and the modern medicine of today, so his recovery will probably be a lot quicker than mine was. But I was in a boot for 3 months after the surgery to re-attach the tendon. When they took the boot off, I was shocked at how small my calf muscle was from not using it. It was a loooong recovery. I wasn't back to almost 100% until a year later, and it's been almost 100% since then. I'm not sure, even with today's medicine, you can come back 100%.
Need a cadaver tendon. STAT!!
Rodgers is in very good shape and obviously will have access to the best experts and rehab available. The part he can’t change is he’s going to be 40 years old. Playing 20 years of football at that level won’t make it any easier for his body to recover.
A pretty good read from ESPN. In short, Rodgers was as culpable as his OL for his season ending injury.
Did the offensive line put Rodgers at risk?
The O-line was the Jets' biggest weakness on paper heading into the season, and while we only saw Rodgers play behind that line for four snaps, those fears appeared to be warranted. Rodgers was hit on each of his three dropbacks, including the sack that produced the Achilles injury. Was the line -- notably tackles Duane Brown and Mekhi Becton -- at fault for those hits?
Again, not really. The issues were more about the entire offense than the line play itself. And when a lineman was at fault, it wasn't the one Jets fans were expecting to blame.
On the first Rodgers dropback, Brown and Becton attempted to cut-block Buffalo's defensive ends. Neither did a spectacular job, but those are designed blocks teams use as part of their quick game concepts to help create throwing lanes. Rodgers wanted to throw the slant to former teammate Allen Lazard, but it was covered, and there wasn't another open receiver. Rodgers held the ball before scrambling around Greg Rousseau and throwing it away.
The second play was a true pressure, but it came from a Rousseau bull rush against the player who is often thought of as New York's best lineman, third-year guard Alijah Vera-Tucker. Rousseau ended up knocking down Rodgers, but the Jets drew a holding penalty in the secondary on linebacker Terrel Bernard.
The third and final dropback was another attempt at a cut block from Brown, who didn't get much of edge rusher Leonard Floyd. Again, the cut block implies that the ball is supposed to get out quickly, but Rodgers apparently didn't feel good about throwing the slant on that side to Garrett Wilson. He held the football for nearly four seconds before Floyd made it home, and when Rodgers tried to escape the takedown, he suffered his injury.
Aaron Rodgers' torn Achilles injury: What's next for the Jets? - ESPN
Again, for long time Packer fans watching Rodgers from about 2019 and on, the above movie we saw time and again. Rodgers would hold the ball forever, it was conveniently blamed on his WR's not getting open OR he wanted to play hero ball and not take what the defense was giving you.
4 plays in, the Jets just learned what we've been seeing for multiple years in Rodger's career.
Rich Eisen is a special kind of Jet fan Masochist.
I was hoping to watch this guy hold on to the ball too long until he took the inevitable season ending lick...I did not think it would be in the first series.
Truly, I hate to see it---he is a heck of a QB and we will lose a better draft pick....but--- there is some conspiratorial irony that it happened in New York on the 9/11 anniversary.
@Tschmack posted:Rodgers is in very good shape and obviously will have access to the best experts and rehab available. The part he can’t change is he’s going to be 40 years old. Playing 20 years of football at that level won’t make it any easier for his body to recover.
Same article as above:
At the same time, the idea that Rodgers is more susceptible to injury as a quarterback approaching 40 is only realistic. Brady was able to stay healthy, but he is the exception to every rule. Peyton Manning tore his right quadriceps in 2014 and the plantar fascia in his left foot in 2015 in what were his age-38 and age-39 seasons. Drew Brees injured his right thumb on Aaron Donald's helmet in his age-40 season, and the next season, Brees battled a torn rotator cuff, broken ribs, a collapsed lung and his own torn plantar fascia. Even famously hardy Brett Favre tore his right biceps with the Jets in his age-39 season before finally contending with serious ankle and shoulder injuries in his age-41 campaign with the Vikings.
It would have been impossible to predict that Rodgers would miss the entire season, but it also was probably naive to believe the most likely scenario for him was a healthy 17-game season. As the Jets think about 2024, they can't count on having him at 100 percent or close to it for the entire season.
40 year old QB and a bad OL are a bad fucking combination. This could have easily happened in 2 weeks, 4 weeks or when half the season was over. It could have also happened to Patrick Mahomes.
It could have also happened in Green Bay if he'd ended up staying.
NFL, not for pussies!
@Tschmack posted:If I were Joe Douglas, I might be inclined to try to make a deal for a QB but the concern is will any of them be better than Zach Wilson?
No vet will succeed behind that line, it has to be someone who can escape and make shit happen on the move.
I don't know who is available, but I doubt there is anything like the above. You're more likely to be able to get a Ryan Fitz type and that wouldn't be an upgrade over Wilson who can at least keep a play alive.
The throw was there. It's a little overblown when you're watching it in slow-mo and ignoring that he's going right to left in his progression. That 'cut-block' by the tackle was easily parried, he was probably going to have to take a hit regardless to deliver that ball.
He just wasn't quite quick enough to dodge the defender.
By the way, this is a big part of why Favre and Rodgers often didn't set their feet to avoid the cleats getting stuck in the ground and causing an injury. Of course this didn't occur while Rodgers was passing, but the principle still applies.
The Favre crab-walk? That was more falling back or away from his throws, or away from oncoming bodies.
Nobody has seen this? Maybe it has been taken out of context and edited to make it look like he took the fakest dive I have ever seen...
https://youtu.be/XunleQUenvE?si=f8A_wGKjat7FUPFY
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@MichiganPacker posted:Rodgers is a very smart guy, but his biggest problem is that he feels he knows it all on almost all subjects and stopped listening to coaches years ago.
I remember when McCarthy in 2008 said...."He (Rodgers) doesn't get bored making the easy throw." That was a CLEAR dig at Favre.
Rodgers played unbelievable at QB in 2009 and even BETTER in 2010 and he became GOD at end of 2010 and into playoffs Jan-Feb 2011 and the 2011 season.
All the years I listed he took what the defense gave him and when he had the chance for the Lightning ⚡ Strike he connected on those too because defenders were cheating up or trying to jump quick routes. He made everyone pay and it was brilliant to see.
I hope Love follows the same path and stays humble.
The drama going into next season will even top this year as AR comes back in a year of redemption! Has any team ever been on Hard Knocks two years in a row? Oh for the Love of Pete!
@Godless Wanderer posted:Nobody has seen this? Maybe it has been taken out of context and edited to make it look like he took the fakest dive I have ever seen...
https://youtu.be/XunleQUenvE?si=f8A_wGKjat7FUPFY
The video is blocked so I left a link
Look at his left calf in the butt angle. Bulged up from the tendon rolling up.
Ummmm.....get ready....because I think the Packers are one of the few teams left for Hard Knocks