Just heard it on Green Bay's Fox 11.
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last night I fried a smoked pork chop with apples and shallots. coupled that with sweet potato fries and a glass of boubon. perfect!
I'll believe it after Jamie Lee Curtis cuts his head off with an axe.
And he's out of football for an entire year.
And he's out of football for an entire year.
YEP. Just heard it on ESPN radio. Sirprize! Sirprize! Sirprize!
Peter King said last week, TOG was done.
It's over...again. Let the healing begin.
Peter King said last week, TOG was done.
It's over...again. Let the healing begin.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3898942
This part of the article jumped out at me.
"...He knew there would be comparisons between his statistics and those of the quarterback who replaced him in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, the very first player Thompson drafted when he took over the Packers' front office. Favre admits that his family and friends were consumed with keeping him informed about how his numbers measured against those of Rogers and constantly urged him to throw more touchdown passes than his replacement..."
This part of the article jumped out at me.
"...He knew there would be comparisons between his statistics and those of the quarterback who replaced him in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, the very first player Thompson drafted when he took over the Packers' front office. Favre admits that his family and friends were consumed with keeping him informed about how his numbers measured against those of Rogers and constantly urged him to throw more touchdown passes than his replacement..."
ESPN: Favre to retire
By Don Walker of the Journal Sentinel
Feb. 11, 2009 8:46 a.m. | ESPN.com is reporting this morning that New York Jets quarterback Brett Favre plans to retire.
According to the Web site, Favre told his agent, Bus Cook, to tell the Jets of Favre's decision today
In an e-mail to the network's Ed Werder, Favre indicated that he had no regrets about leaving the game with the Jets rather than with his old team, the Green Bay Packers.
The e-mail praised Mike Tannenbaum of the Jets, Jets owner Woody Johnson and fired coach Eric Mangini. Favre even mentioned Thomas Jones and Kerry Rhodes, both of whom were publicly critical of Favre after the team's collapse at the end of the season.
"Mike and Woody, as well as the entire organization, have been nothing short of outstanding," Favre said in the e-mail. "My teammates - Thomas and Kerry included - were a pleasure to play with. Eric (Mangini) could not have been any better. I enjoyed playing for him. My time with the Jets was short, but I'm honored to be given that chance."
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Just hope it's for real this time.
By Don Walker of the Journal Sentinel
Feb. 11, 2009 8:46 a.m. | ESPN.com is reporting this morning that New York Jets quarterback Brett Favre plans to retire.
According to the Web site, Favre told his agent, Bus Cook, to tell the Jets of Favre's decision today
In an e-mail to the network's Ed Werder, Favre indicated that he had no regrets about leaving the game with the Jets rather than with his old team, the Green Bay Packers.
The e-mail praised Mike Tannenbaum of the Jets, Jets owner Woody Johnson and fired coach Eric Mangini. Favre even mentioned Thomas Jones and Kerry Rhodes, both of whom were publicly critical of Favre after the team's collapse at the end of the season.
"Mike and Woody, as well as the entire organization, have been nothing short of outstanding," Favre said in the e-mail. "My teammates - Thomas and Kerry included - were a pleasure to play with. Eric (Mangini) could not have been any better. I enjoyed playing for him. My time with the Jets was short, but I'm honored to be given that chance."
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Just hope it's for real this time.
quote:Originally posted by Bionic Who?:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3898942
This part of the article jumped out at me.
"...He knew there would be comparisons between his statistics and those of the quarterback who replaced him in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, the very first player Thompson drafted when he took over the Packers' front office. Favre admits that his family and friends were consumed with keeping him informed about how his numbers measured against those of Rogers and constantly urged him to throw more touchdown passes than his replacement..."
Thanks for posting that. Says alot about his maturity at 38 doesn't?
Sad.
quote:Originally posted by Bionic Who?:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3898942
This part of the article jumped out at me.
"...He knew there would be comparisons between his statistics and those of the quarterback who replaced him in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, the very first player Thompson drafted when he took over the Packers' front office. Favre admits that his family and friends were consumed with keeping him informed about how his numbers measured against those of Rogers and constantly urged him to throw more touchdown passes than his replacement..."
That's absolutely hilarious.
I think it's a ploy so he can come back again this summer so the Jets will be forced to cut him then he would be free and clear to play for the Queens. If so, bring it on.
The part of the article that jumped out at me the most was the statement that Cook asked the Jets to give Favre his outright release.
I think the Jets are in for a replay of what happend to the Packers last summer.
I think the Jets are in for a replay of what happend to the Packers last summer.
Entirely possible if not probable.
Has he filed his retirement papers yet? Why not?
Yup, he's coming back!
Yup, he's coming back!
He wants to be a Viking !! Let him .. I'd love to see the Packers whip his ass twice.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:quote:Originally posted by Bionic Who?:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3898942
This part of the article jumped out at me.
"...He knew there would be comparisons between his statistics and those of the quarterback who replaced him in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, the very first player Thompson drafted when he took over the Packers' front office. Favre admits that his family and friends were consumed with keeping him informed about how his numbers measured against those of Rogers and constantly urged him to throw more touchdown passes than his replacement..."
Thanks for posting that. Says alot about his maturity at 38 doesn't?
Sad.
What's that got to do with him? Seems par for the course with brother Scott. you left out the unquoted favre comment that followed:
Favre admits to virtually no interest in that kind of intramural competition. But he was devout in doing whatever he could to ensure that the Jets accomplished more than the Packers.
Regardless of which side of the fence you were on in the "saga of last summer," any competitor would wanna outperform the organization that they felt animosity toward.
Anyway, hopefully he had his last fling and he and the Packers can bury the hatchet.
How screwed are the Jets in all of this?
All they got out of it at the end of the day is spike in jersey sales (which are about to be discounted). They didn't make the playoffs, and the guy who was their starting qb ended up with a division rival and had a better year than TOG did. They lost a 2nd round pick, and their salary cap is a mess (although looking better w/o his contract)
I believe they get a low round pick because he retired after only one season....I wonder if/when he comes back for the Queens after the draft do they have to give Green Bay that one back in a future draft?
All they got out of it at the end of the day is spike in jersey sales (which are about to be discounted). They didn't make the playoffs, and the guy who was their starting qb ended up with a division rival and had a better year than TOG did. They lost a 2nd round pick, and their salary cap is a mess (although looking better w/o his contract)
I believe they get a low round pick because he retired after only one season....I wonder if/when he comes back for the Queens after the draft do they have to give Green Bay that one back in a future draft?
quote:Originally posted by Coach:
How screwed are the Jets in all of this?
well, they went from 4-12 to 9-7 and were in the playoff hunt 'til the end. sold a boatload of jerseys and now will save 13 mil on the cap.
I'd say it worked out fine for them...
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:quote:Originally posted by packerboi:quote:Originally posted by Bionic Who?:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3898942
This part of the article jumped out at me.
"...He knew there would be comparisons between his statistics and those of the quarterback who replaced him in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, the very first player Thompson drafted when he took over the Packers' front office. Favre admits that his family and friends were consumed with keeping him informed about how his numbers measured against those of Rogers and constantly urged him to throw more touchdown passes than his replacement..."
Thanks for posting that. Says alot about his maturity at 38 doesn't?
Sad.
What's that got to do with him? Seems par for the course with brother Scott. you left out the unquoted favre comment that followed:
Favre admits to virtually no interest in that kind of intramural competition. But he was devout in doing whatever he could to ensure that the Jets accomplished more than the Packers.
Regardless of which side of the fence you were on in the "saga of last summer," any competitor would wanna outperform the organization that they felt animosity toward.
The "let's blame his brother/family" vs. placing responsibility on Favre himself is as old as the entire drama that is TOG. The very quote you posted:
Favre admits to virtually no interest in that kind of intramural competition. But he was devout in doing whatever he could to ensure that the Jets accomplished more than the Packers.
entirely contradicts the alleged "no interest" in seeing that AR didn't outperform him which AR wiped the floor with his performance over TOG.
His chatting up with Matt Millen and the kittens to game plan against GB and Rodgers showed no interest in intramural competition? He's a total lying sack.
And if they don't make the move they could've been just as well off (record-wise) with Pennington (who also had a better year), they may very well have made the playoffs instead of Miami who benefitted greatly from having Pennington, they'd still have their (edit: 3rd) round pick, and they wouldn't have a complete void at QB going into next season.
Yeah, that worked out great for them.
Yeah, that worked out great for them.
quote:Originally posted by Coach:
And if they don't make the move they could've been just as well off with Pennington (who also had a better year), they may very well have made the playoffs instead of Miami who benefitted greatly from having Pennington, they'd still have their 2nd round pick, and they wouldn't have a complete void at QB going into next season.
Yeah, that worked out great for them.
I would have enjoyed the Pack going 9-7 last year and being in it the last weekend. Anyway, sure, maybe Pennington would have accomplished the same and maybe more...you're guess is as good as mine.
All I know, if I was a J-E-T-S JetsJetsJets rube, I sure as hell would have enjoyed last season.
As for their future? Pennington wasn't part of it anyway.
The Jets spent over 110 million dollars last offseason on Free Agents, including Favre. I think it was all an attempt by the owner to sell PSL's for the new stadium he has to share with the Giants. For 110 million, 9-7 doesn't work out so "fine" in my book.
Now, they have no QB, a bunch of old guys like Jenkins, and not much else. I really would not want to give up a 3rd round draft pick for a player who only hangs around for one season.
The Packers got the better end of that deal by far.
Now, they have no QB, a bunch of old guys like Jenkins, and not much else. I really would not want to give up a 3rd round draft pick for a player who only hangs around for one season.
The Packers got the better end of that deal by far.
I think he was mad because A-Rod (baseball) was getting too much face-time.
Mike & Mike in the morning broke this story about 8:25 AM LFT via an e-mail from Chris Mortensen
I still wish TT would have traded him to Minnesota last year for a boatload of picks.
Mike & Mike in the morning broke this story about 8:25 AM LFT via an e-mail from Chris Mortensen
I still wish TT would have traded him to Minnesota last year for a boatload of picks.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
The "let's blame his brother/family" vs. placing responsibility on Favre himself is as old as the entire drama that is TOG. The very quote you posted:
Favre admits to virtually no interest in that kind of intramural competition. But he was devout in doing whatever he could to ensure that the Jets accomplished more than the Packers.
entirely contradicts the alleged "no interest" in seeing that AR didn't outperform him which AR wiped the floor with his performance over TOG.
His chatting up with Matt Millen and the kittens to game plan against GB and Rodgers showed no interest in intramural competition? He's a total lying sack.
let's see...the story says favre's cronies were all over the numbers, favre's versus ardog's. favre (although not quoted) states he he just wanted to win more games than his old team.
I have no problem with that and really should expect nothing else.
The Millen thing? yeah, juvenile...
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
I would have enjoyed the Pack going 9-7 last year and being in it the last weekend. Anyway, sure, maybe Pennington would have accomplished the same and maybe more...you're guess is as good as mine.
All I know, if I was a J-E-T-S JetsJetsJets rube, I sure as hell would have enjoyed last season.
As for their future? Pennington wasn't part of it anyway.
It's a 3rd round pick (my bad....I had been counting on them making the playoffs and it's still stuck in my mind).
The only reason Pennington isn't part of their future was because they released him to make room for TOG.
Fool me once... He'll be waddling into the TC of the Minneapolis Vikings in August. Come June, his stoolies will work through that pillar of journalistic integrity in Al "Please don't put me back on the Flea Market beat" Jones and put out 'unnamed source quotes' about how he's 'feeling much better,' 'hasn't been this healthy in years' and 'has been working out.' The Great Monkey Poop Fight II will begin in a few months, and it'll be nice that it won't involve GBP fans.
quote:Originally posted by Coach:
It's a 3rd round pick (my bad....I had been counting on them making the playoffs and it's still stuck in my mind).
The only reason Pennington wasn't part of their future was because they released him to make room for TOG.
It was fairly obvious Pennington would have been at best a stop gap for Clemens. Anyway, it's personal opinion on whether or not the whole thing was worth a third for a year of Favre. I personally think it was for the team and the fans.
It ended on a sour note with them eventually missing the playoffs but I'm sure their ride was exciting.
Now they draft a QB and have him compete with Clemens and if they truly feel they have the veteran talent to compete next year, sign a Garcia or someone as another stop gap.
And yes, it also worked out good for the Pack getting a high pick out of all that pain.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:quote:Originally posted by Coach:
How screwed are the Jets in all of this?
well, they went from 4-12 to 9-7 and were in the playoff hunt 'til the end. sold a boatload of jerseys and now will save 13 mil on the cap.
I'd say it worked out fine for them...
That Eric guy may feel different with the whole 'worked out fine' thing.
He won't file his retirement papers, and he'll suddenly be feeling much better after he has (if necessary) surgery.
I wish the lottery was that easy to predict.
I wish the lottery was that easy to predict.
Do you guys think he'll actually file his retirement papers with the league this time? Remember last year, after his nationally televised cry fest, he kept shrugging off the questions about the filing? 'Meaningless, not relevant, just hadn't gotten around to it, too busy hunting, the Packers don't need the cap room anyway, etc, etc, etc', all the while knowing exactly what he was planning to do.
The Jets aren't going to release him so he can so sign with the Vikings (even if he were hoping for that, which I doubt). They'll do the same thing Green Bay did: put him on the reserve/retired list, which frees up their salary cap but they'll still retain his rights. If he actually wants to come back in the summer, he'll either play for them or they'll trade him to a team that won't cost them multiple first-rounders (i.e., a non-NFC North team).
This worked out like almost every nasty, messy divorce. The GBP, fairly or not, took a huge PR hit. The NYJ did as well, looking rather silly in several ways, and their coach got canned even though some feel it was a 'successful' season. TOG absolutely dented his legacy big-time, regardless of how folks feel about him personally. AR came out looking pretty good, but was still the QB of a 6-10 team. Basically, everyone loses, and anyone who's either worked on behalf of one of the parties or been through one themselves would know that this is how every disastrous separation plays out.
Precisely
He will be a viking on opening day and become the only HOF QB to play for 4 different teams. It will also give him the chance to beat out Jim Marshall's consecutive start streak in a purple jersey.
He will be a viking on opening day and become the only HOF QB to play for 4 different teams. It will also give him the chance to beat out Jim Marshall's consecutive start streak in a purple jersey.
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
It was fairly obvious Pennington would have been at best a stop gap for Clemens. Anyway, it's personal opinion on whether or not the whole thing was worth a third for a year of Favre. I personally think it was for the team and the fans.
It ended on a sour note with them eventually missing the playoffs but I'm sure their ride was exciting.
Now they draft a QB and have him compete with Clemens and if they truly feel they have the veteran talent to compete next year, sign a Garcia or someone as another stop gap.
And yes, it also worked out good for the Pack getting a high pick out of all that pain.
No, it isn't fairly obvious Pennington would have "at best" been a stop gap for Clemens. He had a better year, and he's still playing.
Personal opinion on whether it was worth it? We get a high round pick and they're left high and dry after a single season where they not only didn't make the playoffs, but they were knocked out by the team their former QB ended up with and the HC ended up getting canned and you honestly think it's even debatable?
quote:Originally posted by Max:
The Jets aren't going to release him so he can so sign with the Vikings (even if he were hoping for that, which I doubt). They'll do the same thing Green Bay did: put him on the reserve/retired list, which frees up their salary cap but they'll still retain his rights. If he actually wants to come back in the summer, he'll either play for them or they'll trade him to a team that won't cost them multiple first-rounders (i.e., a non-NFC North team).
They would have to accommodate his $13 million in cap space to do that so it presents a different challenge than in GB last year. Packers had the cap space, so that leverage was gone, but the Jets will be tighter than tight and I don't believe they will be able to accommodate that $13 million at any point in this offseason.
This is just the next step in the process of Brett to minny and thats fine, he should scratch that itch and be done with it.
Yea, I'm not sure how one can describe a season as being successful when the HC gets canned the day after the regular season ends.
Somebody wasn't happy with how things played out, that's for sure.
Somebody wasn't happy with how things played out, that's for sure.
quote:Originally posted by Coach:
Personal opinion on whether it was worth it? We get a high round pick and they're left high and dry after a single season where they not only didn't make the playoffs, but they were knocked out by the team their former QB ended up with and the HC ended up getting canned and you honestly think it's even debatable?
sure it is. they went from 4-12 to 9-7, sold a bunch of merchandise and now have 13 mil to play with.
is it debatable that it worked out for the Pack since they went from 13-3 to 6-10?
quote:Originally posted by chickenboy:
favre (although not quoted) states he he just wanted to win more games than his old team.
I have no problem with that and really should expect nothing else.
That assumes TOG is telling the truth. We all learned that is a massive assumption to make and one that all too often is proven otherwise.
TOG labeled his trade to the Jets as going to the "Siberia" of the NFL where he felt he was being placed in purgetory where the Packers would never hear from him again. No doubt in my mind this got very personal to him, his maturity couldn't handle it, and he would do all he could to outperform AR and show up the Packers-which of course didn't work out.
The more interesting question will be how long it will take before the Packers and a large volume of their fans forgive him for his antics last season and retire his jersey. Not holdin' my breath it will be anytime soon.
PFT has a plausible take on things:
quote:We’re still not sure this one is over. Last year, when Favre unretired, the Packers were able to absorb his $12 million cap number while they figured out what to do with him. This year, the Jets likely wouldn’t be able to account for an unretirement by Favre without scrambling to create the cap space.
Our guess? If Favre gets the itch to play again in June, he’ll instruct Cook to call the Jets and inform them that Favre still wants to play. And then the Jets will have to decide whether to release him from the reserve-retired list, to welcome him (and his $13 million salary) back, or to create enough cap space to carry him while they try to trade him.
In our view, ego and pride could keep Favre from reprising his routine from the summer of 2008. Then again, if he really wants to play and if the Vikings haven’t done much if anything to address their problems at the quarterback position, Favre might be willing to swallow his pride and play chicken with a team that would be facing a significant salary-cap conundrum if he were to perform his second annual cicada-style emergence from ranks of the former NFL players.
Finally, we don’t rule out the possibility of Favre and/or Cook delaying the process of formally notifying the team of Favre’s intention to retire. Based on the report of an intended retirement, the Jets likely won’t take steps to clear enough cap room to accommodate Favre’s $13 million salary between now and February 26. So if the letter declaring an intent to retire doesn’t arrive before February 26, the Jets could be forced at 3:30 p.m. EST on February 26 to cut the cord, making Favre a free agent.
If it happens that way, the headlines wouldn’t declare “Jets Cut Brett,” because Brett has already made it known to the media that he’s going to retire. Among the least-common-denominator crowd, the act of releasing Favre 15 days from now would likely be viewed as merely a paperwork thing.