Brett Favre is retiring again

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Originally posted by Chuck Cecil:
^^^
I think it's quite safe to say their counterparts on this argument are doing a nice job of expressing themselves here.

Yeah Chuck, I'm out in the streets protesting that Favre is a douche. I'm starting "fire Favre" websites.

The simple fact is I don't like any prima donna pricks. Just because Favre came raging out of the closet recently doesn't mean he isn't any more deserving of reaping what he sowed.

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Originally posted by Oldtimer:

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Originally posted by antiworst:
BTW...I lost my job today.

The most momentous statement made in this 10-page thread. Sorry to see that antiworst. Everyone is on the job bubble these days.


Regarding the never ending Favre soap opera

correct.....big picture so what Favre is a pussy.

Hope everything pans out well for you anti.....same goes for everyone else that is struggling......except for my POS SIL....I have to laugh at her latest money grubbing adventure. Looked pretty good to the gold digging **** a year and a half ago when she latched on to the poor **** that makes parts for GM cars.

Now the poor guy is struggling and the dumb ***** might actually have to find a real job instead of spreading her nasty thighs.....but I digress

I think I may try that.

I just spent an hour reading every post in this thread. I want a gold star.

I know this doesn't have anything to do with this thread, and honestly, I wasn't looking for sympathy, but you guys are the greatest!!! I know that I am just a number when it comes to losing their jobs, but I let my wife read the responses and she cried.

I may be unemployed (like millions of others), but you all don't realize what a release it is to come here and other places to get some relief from reality for awhile. Just to sum it up: thank you all for your positive thoughts and God bless you. I guess I'm open for more golf this summer!!!

Thank you everyone...

I showed my wife chickenboy's posts and she cried too.

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Originally posted by Blair Kiel:
I showed my wife chickenboy's posts and she cried too.

Does she need a good lawyer?

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
Its like when your friend is involved in a messy divorce.

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Originally posted by JJSD:
And comes out of the closet.

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Originally posted by FreeSafety:
And it turns out you've been friends with a real jackass for 17 years.

Story of my life.

It could be worse. Your wife could have come out of the closet.

How do you know that wasn't what he was talking about?

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Originally posted by BigChiefSecurity:
Flynn was a 7th round pick. All those teams that would have wanted him so bad sure did not show an interest in him before what would have been last July

Matt Hasselbeck was a 6th round pick that the Bores tried to sign to their 53 man roster despite showing little to nothing during preseason. Flynn looked better than Hass as a rookie. I wouldn't have been surprised at all to see someone like the Vikings sign him if the Packers tried to stash him on the PS.

Now the Packers are in the enviable position of having a young franchise QB with two promising young 2nd year QB's backing him up.

As for the whole Pennington thing, there is no way he was going to GB. He was an instant starter in Miami and got two chances to get revenge on the team that tossed him aside in favor of an over the hill QB.

Of course everybody in New York thought Pennington was over the hill at the time. He'd already had multiple shoulder problems, and Jets fans famously cheered his injury

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Originally posted by Henry:
The simple fact is I don't like any prima donna pricks.

I thought we were friends man.

Packers reiterate offer to retire Favre’s No. 4
By CHRIS JENKINS | AP Sports Writer


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Despite an avalanche of acrimony that ultimately led to Brett Favre playing for the New York Jets last season, the Green Bay Packers want to honor Favre by retiring his No. 4 jersey at the ``appropriate’’ time.

But even Favre — who retired from football for the second, and perhaps final, time on Wednesday — isn’t sure when the time might be right to heal his still-smoldering rift with the franchise that traded him.
"It’s a shame what has unfolded throughout the whole thing,’’ Favre said in a teleconference Wednesday. ``But I don’t know. I don’t know. I don’t have an answer for that right now. It may be five years, it may be the first game.’’

And Favre hinted that the continued presence of the man who traded him, Packers general manager Ted Thompson, might play a role in when he’s ready to return to Green Bay.

"He had his reasonings, I had my reasonings,’’ Favre said of his past disagreements with Thompson. ``Who’s to say who’s right and who’s wrong. He has a plan. I’m not mad at him for that. Other people may be, but I don’t know. It’s a touchy situation.’’

Wednesday’s retirement announcement was Favre’s second in less than a year, coming after several offseasons’ worth of public indecision about his football future.

Favre waved a tearful goodbye in his Packers retirement news conference last March but almost immediately began having second thoughts and privately told the Packers he wanted to come back. Thompson and Packers coach Mike McCarthy were prepared to welcome him back — only to have Favre change his mind once again and stay retired.

By July, the Packers had decided to commit to Aaron Rodgers at quarterback and Favre began to have what he termed an ``itch’’ to play again.

After several weeks’ worth of public bickering that ended with a conversation between Favre and McCarthy — at which point McCarthy determined Favre wasn’t in the right ``mind-set’’ to play for the Packers any more — the team worked out a trade with the Jets and Favre accepted.

But the Packers put the ugly episode aside on Wednesday, issuing a statement congratulating Favre on his career and reiterating their intention to eventually welcome him back.

"Congratulations to Brett on a remarkable career,’’ the team said. ``The Packers organization wishes him and his family well. Brett always will hold a special place in Green Bay Packers history, and we remain committed to retiring his number at an appropriate time in the future.’’

Packers president and CEO Mark Murphy also has said that a multimillion-dollar marketing agreement with Favre could still be on the table when Favre is done playing for good. The deal originally was offered to Favre last summer, while he still seemed to be wavering on his decision to unretire.

Favre reiterated his love for Green Bay teammates and fans on Wednesday but seemed to have trouble hiding his distaste for Thompson.

"My stay in Green Bay was unbelievable, unbelievable,’’ Favre said. ``And not one thing could take that away, not one person. And that organization has been outstanding to me throughout my career. It is what it is. It’s unfortunate. But at some point, it’ll be dealt with.’’

http://lacrossetribune.com/articles/2009/02/11/sportsupdate/04favrejersey.txt
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Originally posted by Coach:

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Originally posted by chickenboy:

I would have enjoyed the Pack going 9-7 last year and being in it the last weekend. Anyway, sure, maybe Pennington would have accomplished the same and maybe more...you're guess is as good as mine.

All I know, if I was a J-E-T-S JetsJetsJets rube, I sure as hell would have enjoyed last season.

As for their future? Pennington wasn't part of it anyway.

It's a 3rd round pick (my bad....I had been counting on them making the playoffs and it's still stuck in my mind).

The only reason Pennington isn't part of their future was because they released him to make room for TOG.

Yep, Miami is planning their future on offense around Pennington as we write.

Pennington's an aged hack with no arm left. The Dolphins produced on offense a number of times due to a gimmick where Pennington wasn't on the field or didn't take the snap.

I always cheered for Pennington but I may have more velocity on throws at this point.

What's your point Herschel? That the Jets couldn't have missed the playoffs with Pennington?
You may have more arm strength, but I bet Pennington can post with more relevance.

It might be for good this time...

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THIS TIME, FAVRE FILES RETIREMENT PAPERWORK
Posted by Aaron Wilson on February 11, 2009, 11:39 p.m.
Unlike a year ago where quarterback Brett Favre stalled on formally filing his retirement paperwork with the league office before playing this past season with the New York Jets, this time Favre has actually made it official.

According to New York Daily News beat writer Rich Cimini, Favre finalized his decision by turning in his papers on the same day he announced he was retiring for good. It’s an important distinction considering the second thoughts he had last year and the yo-yo effect it had on the Green Bay Packers.

Of course, Favre could always change his mind again even though he seems genuine this time that he’s really, really not going to play football again.

As Mike Florio pointed out earlier today, the Jets placed Favre on the reserve/retired list right away. That grants them an immediate salary-cap savings of $13 million by removing his 2009 base salary.

One can hope.

Time will pass. Favre will return to GB in good grace and take his rightful place amongst the all-time Packer greats. This drivel going back and forth is all for naught.

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Originally posted by Herschel:
Yep, Miami is planning their future on offense around Pennington as we write.

Pennington's an aged hack with no arm left. The Dolphins produced on offense a number of times due to a gimmick where Pennington wasn't on the field or didn't take the snap.

I always cheered for Pennington but I may have more velocity on throws at this point.

Pennington is going to play next season (and I'd wager the season after that too). If Favre plays next year it'll be in purple.

2008:

Pennington:

321 476 67.4 3653 7.67 80 19 4.0 7 1.5 24.0 121 97.4

TOG:

343 522 65.7 3472 6.65 56 22 4.2 22 4.2 30.0 213 81.0

Pennington had a higher completion percentage, threw for more yards (with 46 fewer attempts), had a higher yards per attempt average, had a far lower int % (15 fewer INT's overall), came within three of matching TOG in TD passes, Miami made the playoffs, and he had the 2nd highest QB rating in the entire league (not my favorite stat but it is what it is).

Please tell me you're not rejecting that out of hand just because the Dolphins used the Wildcat formation from time to time.

Pennington never had the strongest of arms, but he's had a solid career and still was able to find a way to get the job done last year even after being written off by some. Do you not remember the 06 Packers/Jets game? He carved us up.

If Miami concurs with your brilliant analysis, I'm sure they'll be releasing him soon after the draft.

First you project a phantom fumbling problem for Jackson out of thin air with absolutely no basis in reality (a scouting report instead of what actually transpired on the field), and now you're saying a QB with (arguably) the 2nd best overall numbers in the entire NFL is an "aged hack" (who is younger than the guy the Jets dumped him for).

Going by last year's performance, perhaps Pennington should be the one retiring instead of Favre?

I don't know what you're smoking, but I might enjoy some if doesn't cause long term brain damage.

Since the jury's out on that, I'll pass.

11 pages on the first day? Is that the best you can do x4?

j/k, here we go again...

FWIW - ProFootballTalk is reporting that Favre has already filed his paperwork. Doesn't mean he couldn't still change his mind though.

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Originally posted by DeepChicago:
11 pages on the first day? Is that the best you can do x4?

j/k, here we go again...

Finally, a post I can respond to. This is about 10 more pages than in any Bears forum.

I heard about the paper filing on the radio this morning. I wonder which team he retired as part of?

If I were Favre, I would not be to tough on TT. First, it wasn't like he wasn't traded before that gave him his first opportunity. Second, the trade to the Jets extended his playing time. Third, if he had not (pretended to) retire, and try forcing TT's hand, he could have retired in GB. All he had to do was not retire.

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck: Chicken and Big Chief getting their azzes handed to em'

Talk about the word of the hour "hyperbole." You know, it is possible to have a differing opinion in this world of ours (especially about veteran backup QBs). Even if it differs from the bourgeois. Happen to think we scored technical knockout. No way would we win "judges decision" on this board.

Isn't there a time limit requirement or something between the time you file your retirement papers and when you can apply for reinstatement? I thought I read somewhere it was to keep players from just retiring to get off a team or out of a contract and then just immediately unretire and go play where ever they want.

Didn't Reggie officially retire and then unretire between leaving the Packers and going to the Panthers? I don't remember if he skipped a season in there or not.

Anyway, like someone else said I don't think filling out your retirement papers and submiting them to the league office means a whole lot. That combined with Cook's claim that he asked for Favre's outright release makes me wonder when the fat lady will ever sing.

Last year, when all the questions arose about the retirement papers, it was reported that it was up to Favre to do the paper work and get it into the Commissioner's office in New York.

During Favre's teleconference yesterday evening with the media, one reporter asked him about his retirement papers. Favre hemmed and hawed, and then said that "Mike", and I'm assuming that is Tannenbaum, was taking care of that and that Favre didn't know if it had been done, but that he had sent an email.

That wasn't how it was last year.

Then, another reporter asked him if the ESPN report was true that his agent, Cook, had asked the Jets for Favre's release, Favre said at first, no, but then he said, "it doesn't matter". One of the talking heads on ESPN after the conference said that Cook is probably trying to set it all up in case Favre has another change of heart or mind. That's my guess too.

The papers don't matter and they never did. Their only relevance is for things like a pension. Even if you file papers, you can file new ones to "unretire" the next day. About all you can say is that his promptness in filing them suggest a greater commitment to remaining retired than a year ago, but they still don't really mean anything.

As for Cook asking for the Jets if they'll release Favre, I'd say it's possible. I mean, it stands to reason that if he has yet another change of heart OR (perhaps more likely) some team loses its QB to injury in the preseason and calls Cook up offering Favre a mint to come back, it would be better off for the player, any player, to merely be able to say yes or no, rather than say, well, you'll need to get in touch with Team A about acquiring my rights, and then if that happens, and if you give me X dollars... I don't know. It makes sense that any agent for any player would want that player to be free and clear. It doesn't mean they're going to use that out, just that it's better to have it than not to have it. In any case, if Cook did ask for it, it didn't happen, so no big deal either way.

11 frigging pages of ball-washing, stat-hurling and general vitriol.

Really, wasn't doing all this $hit last year enough?

not enough to keep you from posting about it apparently

Don't some Packers fans have as much right to be totally pissed with BF as others have of being over-supportive or ball-washery of him?

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Originally posted by Max:
Even if you file papers, you can file new ones to "unretire" the next day.

So what's to keep someone from from retiring on Monday in order to get out of being franchised, for example, and then unretiring on Tuesday and signing with whom ever he wants?

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Originally posted by DeepChicago:
11 pages on the first day? Is that the best you can do x4?

j/k, here we go again...

Far reaching implications?

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Originally posted by Max:
About all you can say is that his promptness in filing them suggest a greater commitment to remaining retired than a year ago, but they still don't really mean anything.

I think this is just another way for him to "surprise" us and make his triumphant return. (Bears/Vikings)

I don't think he's anymore "committed" to retiring this year than he was last year.

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Originally posted by section19:

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Originally posted by Max:
Even if you file papers, you can file new ones to "unretire" the next day.

So what's to keep someone from from retiring on Monday in order to get out of being franchised, for example, and then unretiring on Tuesday and signing with whom ever he wants?

Retiring and un-retiring is not instantaneous. The NFL office has to receive/accept the papers and while I'm not 100% sure of this, I seriously doubt this kind of loop-hole is out there in the CBA. Also, when a player retires their term-of-service accruals essentially freeze. So, if a player were to unretire I’d expect there is a period of time (likely 24 hours) where their previous team continues to “own” their rights to decide what to do with the player. Put on active roster, release them outright, slap the franchise or transition tags on them, etc…

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The papers don't matter and they never did.

You're missing the point entirely. His statement that "it doesn't matter" in response to the reporter's question about Cook asking the Jets for his release, followed by the inconsistentcy that "Mike is filing my retirement papers" leads any rational person to believe Boris' statment that Favre will probably make a return with the Bears or Vikings this summer.

If "Mike" could file Favre's retirment papers now, then "Ted" could have done so last year, and we know that wasn't and isn't possible.

At the very least, Favre is being disingenuous. In all liklihood, he's just being himself, which means he's not telling the truth.

But it's no big deal.

Oates - clues to Favre's return

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Originally posted by :

Talk about the word of the hour "hyperbole." You know, it is possible to have a differing opinion in this world of ours (especially about veteran backup QBs). Even if it differs from the bourgeois. Happen to think we scored technical knockout. No way would we win "judges decision" on this board.