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Originally posted by Max:
Again, Favre asking to be reinstated and forcing the Jets to consider releasing him, should that happen, is only a problem for the Jets if they gave a damn where he ended up. It was a bigger deal for the Packers last year, who had division rivals' whose biggest deficiency appeared to be at quarterback. I think we can agree that if the Jets released Favre he wouldn't go sign with the Patriots or anything.


Not necessarily. It would be a problem for the Jets if they decide they still want him as their QB and he decides he only wants to play in Minnesota and it turns into another soap opera.

I agree it's safe to say Favre won't be a Patriot this year.

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I said it's only a problem for the Jets if they care where he ends up.

Coach, the soap opera was largely because of Favre's 16-year history with the Packers and the divided fan base. If the Jets want him back to play for them and he only wants to go play for the Vikings, they'll probably just release the guy and move on. It's not quite the same.
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Originally posted by BigChiefSecurity:
Does everyone forget that there is a practice squad?



Nope. But you seem to forget placing Flynn or Brohm, 2 QB's with bright futures, on the practice squad means any team in need of a QB (there were plenty) could have come in and swooped up either QB and placed them on their active roster.

That's a key reason TT didn't make that move. They liked what they had in both QB's and looking to this season, with both having a full OTA, minicamp, TC, and pre-season under their belts I think the Packers will be fine at the back up position. One of these guys could have very good trade value in the future. And the practice squad doesn't grant you that.
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Originally posted by Max:
I said it's only a problem for the Jets if they care where he ends up.


I know. And I said it's a problem for the Jets if they still want him as their qb.

I didn't say it was the same (assumption on your part). I said another soap opera. They invested a pick, and I'm confident they'd still like more of a return on their investment than they've received up to this point.
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Originally posted by BigChiefSecurity:
Flynn was a 7th round pick. All those teams that would have wanted him so bad sure did not show an interest in him before what would have been last July


...and it is my feeling that he only looked competent as a backup because brohm looked so incompetent...
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Originally posted by Bionic Who?:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3898942

This part of the article jumped out at me.

"...He knew there would be comparisons between his statistics and those of the quarterback who replaced him in Green Bay, Aaron Rodgers, the very first player Thompson drafted when he took over the Packers' front office. Favre admits that his family and friends were consumed with keeping him informed about how his numbers measured against those of Rogers and constantly urged him to throw more touchdown passes than his replacement..."


I'm no Favre apologist but the next line in that piece is
"Favre admits to virtually no interest in that kind of intramural competition. But he was devout in doing whatever he could to ensure that the Jets accomplished more than the Packers."
Being retired, is his salary immediately off the Jets books? If the Jets make some offseason moves thinking his salary is cleared (provided they've got the rest of their salary mess cleaned up) and he got the "itch" again, that might put the Jets in a more awkward position than GB was in last year. Basically, he could force his release later.
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Originally posted by Floridarob:
It will take some time for Favre to be embraced in Green Bay again, but it will happen. It might not happen until after Ted or Mike leaves. But at some point it will happen. And it should. He was the greatest player in the history of a franchise with the greatest tradition in football. I try to logically understand his bitterness but it is something he caused and Ted did the best he could in the situation. I don;t know if any other GM could have handled it better. He was not exiled to New York. They provided the best return to the Packers in a trade. Tampa could have beat tnose terms and they would have had him but they did not even come close. The trade also provided him with what he wanted. A chance to play again. Favre needs to move on. And at some point he needs to apologize for his part in what happened. Then maybe the team and he can reunite. Hopefully it is sooner rather than later.

Fans can bash Ted Thompson all day long and pick apart what moves he does or does not make, but in the end, I believe he is a good man, and is not working with some vendetta to ruin Favre. Even the gesture about giving Brett his locker was great gesture but Brett mocked it.

The breakup of Favre and the Packers were like a bad divorce. People attached to both picked sides and dug in like friends and family do in a divorce. Hopefully there will be a reconciliation and the team and FAvre can bury the bitterness of this past year.



That is a great post Floridarob.
I was always a Brett Favre fan. I didn't know until last year what was going on behind the scenes. But I can recall the first time I lost some respect for him, and it's compounded since. It's when he took a "sack" for Strahan. His OL took great pride in shutting Strahan down all day, just to have Favre disregard his teammates and take a dive for his buddy. I've never gotten over that, and then the Detroit thing, the Minnesota thing, the obsession with the team that he'll always be associated with, has really soured my feelings towards him. Hopefully, that will fade. BTW...I lost my job today. Welcome to America.
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Originally posted by antiworst:
I was always a Brett Favre fan. I didn't know until last year what was going on behind the scenes. But I can recall the first time I lost some respect for him, and it's compounded since. It's when he took a "sack" for Strahan. His OL took great pride in shutting Strahan down all day, just to have Favre disregard his teammates and take a dive for his buddy. I've never gotten over that, and then the Detroit thing, the Minnesota thing, the obsession with the team that he'll always be associated with, has really soured my feelings towards him. Hopefully, that will fade. BTW...I lost my job today. Welcome to America.


Agreed and sorry. Keep your chin up.
Buh-bye Brett.... for now.


Tough to hear antiworst.


I think the trade was bad for the Jets because they did not get good return on their investment. They gave up a 3rd and $13mm in return for a 7th (this year), some more jersey sales, and a 1 year starter who clearly should have stayed retired. Why they thought they knew more about Favres ability to play at a high level for another year than McCarthy was either stupid or pig-headed or a lot of both.
Good luck to you Antiworst! It is all around us. The upturn will be sharp when it happens.


Do you think the Pack front office will be planning a retirement ceremony for number 4 or wait till next year?

It may take about 4 years for everyone to forget last year's debacle.
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Originally posted by BigChiefSecurity:
Flynn was a 7th round pick. All those teams that would have wanted him so bad sure did not show an interest in him before what would have been last July


After they watched Flynn play in the pre-season there sure was a TON of interest.

You just don't get it.

1) Pennington would have NEVER come to Green Bay for 1/5 the salary he earned in Miami.

2) Miami swooped on him immediately after the Jets released him.

I'm glad we didn't sign the guy. What a complete waste of money and development time for the 2 young QB's
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Originally posted by Boris:
You just don't get it.


yeah we do. some of us wanted a veteran backup at a veteran backup price. pennington was rumored to be let go and some of us liked him for that role but obviously not at the price miami gave him.

so yes, i'm glad they didn't sign him for that coin but the point we have is that we feel this team needed (and still needs, IMO) a veteran backup.

this isn't some radical thinking by the way. if you want to roll the dice with flynn (and brohm, who WILL be the number two next year) fine but to say we don't get it because we don't agree with you is silly.
Favre Announces Retirement from the Jets

by Staff
Source: OfficialBrettFavre.com

Feb. 11, 2009

We have been informed by Brett's brother Scott that he received a phone call stating Brett would be retiring from the New York Jets.
Brett would like to thank the Jets Organization for this opportunity, but at this time, he does not feel like he has anything left to give. As always, Brett would like to thank his fans for their continued support.

Short, sweet, and I'm hoping that it's true....... cry cry cry I'm watching him on the NFL Network and the Packers 1996 super bowl season. I can't believe some feel such hatred for him. It's all just so sad........ I thank him for the great and fantastic 17 seasons he gave us as fans.......I will miss him.

http://www.officialbrettfavre.com/news/story_1d99778504fc/
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Originally posted by Henry:
Yeah, you gotta have a Gus Frerrote on the team instead of developing young guys!


Week 16 with a playoff spot on the line and Arodg gets hurt, you can bet your bottom dollar I want Gus instead of either of those green horns!
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Originally posted by Boris:
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Originally posted by BigChiefSecurity:
Flynn was a 7th round pick. All those teams that would have wanted him so bad sure did not show an interest in him before what would have been last July


After they watched Flynn play in the pre-season there sure was a TON of interest.

You just don't get it.

1) Pennington would have NEVER come to Green Bay for 1/5 the salary he earned in Miami.

2) Miami swooped on him immediately after the Jets released him.

I'm glad we didn't sign the guy. What a complete waste of money and development time for the 2 young QB's


Because we don't agree with you we "don't get it"?

1) I never said the Packers should have gotten in a bidding war over him. If he would have come, he would have been an asset at a one or two year contract

2) And what is the point? So they did. That still doesn't mean he wouldn't have been a good pickup FOR THE RIGHT PRICE.

Flynn had not played in any pre-season games at the time of Pennington's release. Pennington was released Aug 7th and the Packers 1st pre-season game was August 11th.

Flynn could have "developed" just fine on the practice squad. If they would have lost Flynn, they still had 1 good young QB (A-Rod), 1 veteran you can win with(Pennington), and 1 guy to develop (Brohm).
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Originally posted by Henry:
Yeah, you gotta have a Gus Frerrote on the team instead of developing young guys!


Like I said Henry, they just don't get it.....
Up it's official just received the e-mail from the Brett Favre fan site, for some reason it always appears in my Bulk item mail file.

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BRETT FAVRE CALLS IT A CAREER AFTER 18 SEASONS IN THE NFL. ALTHOUGH BRETT BROUGHT MUCH EXCITEMENT TO THE NY JETS THIS YEAR HE WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED AS A GREEN BAY PACKER.

Brett will walk away owning every major NFL record from passing yardage 65,127 and 464 touchdowns to 169 games won and 269 consecutive games started. He was an instrumental part in turning the much ridiculed Packers into a perenial premiere NFL team. He will be missed on Sundays, but not forgotten.

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yeah winning now sucks. I would prefer to continue to develop, I mean with Rodgers on the roster and off a fresh contract, it is good to have 2 more guys we can "develop" instead of one backup that can win right now and one backup to develop
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Originally posted by BigChiefSecurity: Flynn had not played in any pre-season games at the time of Pennington's release. Pennington was released Aug 7th and the Packers 1st pre-season game was August 11th.


And those preseason games sure were something weren't they? sarcasm I swear some think TT should lock up Flynny in Matt Cassel-like fashion.
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Originally posted by Goldie:
I can't believe some feel such hatred for him. It's all just so sad........


Yeah, a self absorbed prick who acts in such a petty manner that his new team mates call him "obsessed" with the situation. A fool who put up a propaganda campaign that would make Rupert Murdoch proud (with his help). A jerk that wanted to be cut outright so he could go play for a divisional rival. Yeah, he's great.

Try rooting for the Green Bay Packers.
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Originally posted by Slayer:
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I can't believe some feel such hatred for him. It's all just so sad........ I thank him


a certain percentage of people enjoy "golden showers" most don't


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Originally posted by chickenboy:

And those preseason game sure were something weren't they? I swear some think TT should lock up Flynny in Matt Cassel-like fashion.


But if they locked him up, who could they "develop" then?
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by Goldie:
I can't believe some feel such hatred for him. It's all just so sad........


Yeah, a self absorbed prick who acts in such a petty manner that his new team mates call him "obsessed" with the situation. A fool who put up a propaganda campaign that would make Rupert Murdoch proud (with his help). A jerk that wanted to be cut outright so he could go play for a divisional rival. Yeah, he's great.




Just had too do it.
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Originally posted by chickenboy:
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Originally posted by BigChiefSecurity: Flynn had not played in any pre-season games at the time of Pennington's release. Pennington was released Aug 7th and the Packers 1st pre-season game was August 11th.


And those preseason game sure were something weren't they? I swear some think TT should lock up Flynny in Matt Cassel-like fashion.


Moronic hyperbole as usual. The kid showed a lot in TC and it wasn't a secret he would've been plucked off the practice squad. He showed more than Brohm and I'm pretty sure you're not going to put Brohm on the practice squad.

Also, Pennington was looking for and found a starting job. No way that was happening with the Packers. That in itself should be enough to kill this "debate".
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Originally posted by TimthePackerFan:
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Originally posted by Henry:
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Originally posted by Goldie:
I can't believe some feel such hatred for him. It's all just so sad........


Yeah, a self absorbed prick who acts in such a petty manner that his new team mates call him "obsessed" with the situation. A fool who put up a propaganda campaign that would make Rupert Murdoch proud (with his help). A jerk that wanted to be cut outright so he could go play for a divisional rival. Yeah, he's great.

Try rooting for the Green Bay Packers.




Just had too do it.


I guess that's the equivalent of favre bandwagoners saying "you're a big meanie" instead of actually owning up to what their hero is.
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Originally posted by BigChiefSecurity:
yeah winning now sucks. I would prefer to continue to develop, I mean with Rodgers on the roster and off a fresh contract, it is good to have 2 more guys we can "develop" instead of one backup that can win right now and one backup to develop


What planet are you living on?

On what planet would the Packers have won MORE games with Pennington instead of Brohm & Flynn?

Do you guys actually think before you hit the post now button? It's quite obvious not.

You should really quit before you get even further behind

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