Brett Favre is retiring again

CoachAt the head of the table

quote:
Originally posted by Henry:

It's this kind of stuff that just stuns me. Drafting a QB who patiently waited behind you because you're in your late 30's? I just can't grasp the sheer arrogance of a stance like this. Be competitive, strive to play but are you really going to get pissed at the GM because he's trying to keep the team moving in the right direction? I guess Rodgers should be pissed about Brohm and Flynn.

Unreal. Screw that prick.

You left out not returning Rodgers' phone calls when he was attempting to reach out to him last year.

Regardless of what side of the fence you're on regarding the TOG/TT situation, it's clear the one person in all of this through no fault of their own was Rodgers.

Some of the anecdotal behavior he experienced from the lunatic fringe of the fan base was appalling, and he handled it very well.

I'm glad he re-upped, because it certainly wasn't a given after all that transpired.

2/11/094:50 PM

Mick730Member

quote:
Originally posted by Henry:
quote:
Originally posted by Max:
Big deal.

You're right, until you add in that it's 4 YEARS LATER and all the other crap in between he pulled because TT wouldn't coddle him.

Exactly. I remember the comments Favre made about how it, 'might not be worth coming back to Green Bay', when the Packers didn't trade for Randy Moss, or worse, the comments he made to Van Sustern about what a liar Thompson was for not interviewing/hiring Mariucci as HC.

2/11/094:54 PM

BTPMember

2/11/095:00 PM

CoachAt the head of the table

quote:
Originally posted by JJSD:
Agreed, but I can't believe that TT didn't know before he ever took the GBP job that he'd ultimately be the guy who 'ran off TOG' one way or another.

I'm not so sure about that.

I agree that he most certainly was aware that he'd be charged with bringing in TOG's replacement at some point, but I don't believe anyone could have forseen it unfolding the way it did or that it was a certainty that when Favre did leave that it would be against his (apparent) will and splitting the fan base the way he did on his way out of town.

Perhaps it was naive or foolish to believe that was possible (a quiet retirement ride off into the sunset), but it I don't think the soap opera itself was entirely predictable. Once it began it was, but in 2005?

2/11/095:00 PM

JJSDSitzpinkler Schadenfreude

Not saying he foresaw the Great Monkey Poop Fight of 08, but TOG was in his mid-thirties when TT took the job, and there were a lot of whispers, some from TOG himself, that he was nearing the end. When a guy leaves/retires/is traded/cut/whatever on your watch with TOG's stature, that's going to be one of the defining moments of your legacy, even if it all went well. That said, I felt at the time that TT had balls of sheet rock to draft AR when he did, as it signaled an abrupt end to TOG's time as co-coach and co-GM. One of the first big moves TT made was in effect calling TOG's yearly retirement bluff. It's really regrettable how it all worked out in terms of perception, but TT came in after selling Harlan on a clean-up job from the foundation up, and he had to at least entertain that possibility that one way or the other such that it would include TOG.

2/11/095:05 PM

Chuck CecilMember

With all the vitriol in this thread, you'd think he'd killed a bunch of poster's from x4 family members.

2/11/095:09 PM

CoachAt the head of the table

Have you (or your parents) ever gotten divorced?

It's the same deal here, nothing more.

2/11/095:15 PM

chickenboyTic Toc

quote:
Originally posted by FANtastic:
Brett and Ted need to go camping.

Henry, should we book a trip with these two this summer? I'll bring the smores!

2/11/095:16 PM

HenryYou rang?

I'll bring snipe hunting gear.

2/11/095:25 PM

Chuck CecilMember

quote:
Originally posted by Coach:
Have you (or your parents) ever gotten divorced?

It's the same deal here, nothing more.

Yes and if you think it's the same thing, I'm guessing you haven't.

2/11/095:26 PM

TschmackMember

"I'm Leaving"

copyright, Brett Favre

2/11/095:31 PM

chickenboyTic Toc

quote:
Originally posted by Henry:

I'll bring snipe hunting gear.

top 5 snl skit of all time...

2/11/095:33 PM

CoachAt the head of the table

quote:
Originally posted by Chuck Cecil:
quote:
Originally posted by Coach:
Have you (or your parents) ever gotten divorced?

It's the same deal here, nothing more.

Yes and if you think it's the same thing, I'm guessing you haven't.

My parents did, thankfully I haven't.

Just to be clear, are you saying it's more or less?

The hyperbole regarding the level of perceived vitriol is still completely over the top given the context (IMO). It was a messy divorce, that's all.

2/11/095:33 PM

GusBobMember

Bygones be bygones, he gave alot to football. Kept it interesting, thats for sure....

My favorite thumbnail opinion of # 4, I've forgotten by whom: Favre was the type of QB that was so great, he kept both teams in the game.

I wish him well. He can hunt all he wants now, watch out deer.

2/11/095:39 PM

CheesewizMember

quote:
Originally posted by Coach:
quote:
Originally posted by heyward:
Mort or one of those other fools from ESPN also said that Favre never forgave TT for drafting Rodgers. Typical. TT spends every waking minute looking out for the Green Bay Packers. TOG spent every waking minute looking out for TOG. And yet "Packer" fans still spew hatred at TT. Just incredible.

Favre started his yearly retirement ruminations in 2002.

2002
2003
2004
2005 (Rodgers drafted)
2006
2007
2008 (Favre Traded)

Favre had been talking retirement at least three years before Rodgers was drafted, and he didn't expect the braintrust (whether it was Thompson or if another person had gotten the GM job that year) to eventually attempt to address that at some point? If it hadn't happened then, it probably would've the next year at the latest.

I don't even believe TT went into that draft targeting a QB in the early rounds, but he damn sure was smart enough to take one when a player that almost went #1 overall dropped into his lap.

Thank goodness that happened. We're now set at starting QB for the forseeable future, and hopefully someday all of this nonsense will be just a memory.

Favre was asked, in an interview(probably in 2002 or 2003), if he thought about retiring and, being Brett, he said something like, "It could be ten years, it could be this year."

THEN all the media morons beat it to DEATH.

It's a good thing there weren't a whole pile of idiots standing in line to believe all their fish-hack BS.

Oh........wait a minute..................

(P.T. Barnum WAS right!)

2/11/095:44 PM

CoachAt the head of the table

When all else fails, blame the media.

Please.

2/11/095:47 PM

TschmackMember

Favre lost a lot of respect from me when he started acting like he was bigger than the franchise, heck, bigger than the game.

I appreciate everything he did for GB but he's lost a lot of luster and it's probably best he just go away.

2/11/095:47 PM

TimthePackerFanMember

quote:
Originally posted by Satori:

I do allow PM's its just that you were set to "IGNORE"

Then why so interested in my posts which are blocked unless you choose to view them.

For TT not to take Rodgers in that draft would have been a major error in my opinion so if that the straw that broke TOG's back so be it. I will always be a fanboy (why that's suppose to be negative I'll never know) of TOG but his time was up and A-Rod needed to have this year so next year will be his first division title.

2/11/095:53 PM

TschmackMember

quote:
THEN all the media morons beat it to DEATH. It's a good thing there weren't a whole pile of idiots standing in line to believe all their fish-hack BS.

Saint Brett is in full effect!

I am so happy he is no longer with the team and we have #12 than that egomaniac.

2/11/095:58 PM

FANtasticMember

quote:
Originally posted by GusBob:
Bygones be bygones, he gave alot to football. Kept it interesting, thats for sure....

Probably the most sensible post in this whole thread.

It was what it was and it is what it is. It all adds up to a hill of VHS tapes. It's Rodgers time now. And down the road it'll be something else.

2/11/096:28 PM

oldnavyMember

This thread is way too long for me to read everything so, if it has been noted then oh well.

The thing that stood out to me in the article was the idea that TT had taken the team away from Favre.

While Favre may not have said that himself his actions over the last few years suggests there is much more than a grain of truth to the idea.

I consider Favre the greatest Packer I ever got to watch and I grew up with the Lombardi Packers.

However, I lost all respect for him as a person/team player/leader as a result of last summer's bs act.

For the Favre lovers who believe he can do no wrong and has never done any wrong I would like to remind them of a few simple facts of life.

No ship can have two captains. One person has to be in charge. In football there can be only one GM and that person is responsible to the owner or in the Packer's case the president.

This team, at no time in his career was Favre's. Wolf, Sherman, TT were in charge of all personnel decisions. Had they made their decisons based solely on Favre's wishes and desires and they had not panned out, would they been able to go to Harlan and tell him it was all Favre's fault.

No.

His bs act over the last few years with delaying retirement announces (one way or the other) regularly left the team in doubt as how best to proceed. It was his own little way of trying to be in charge. His bs act last summer was nothing more than something done out of pure spite and had nothing to do with his actually being 100% committed to playing the game, but more of being able to play for a team he wanted to stick it to out of pure spite.

2/11/096:31 PM

Chuck CecilMember

quote:
Originally posted by Coach:
My parents did, thankfully I haven't.

Just to be clear, are you saying it's more or less?

The hyperbole regarding the level of perceived vitriol is still completely over the top given the context (IMO). It was a messy divorce, that's all.

A messy divorce, whether its yours or your parents, does real damage to people's lives. Please tell me your not saying this messed you up like your parent's divorce. You'd have to have some seriously screwed up priorities for that to be the case.

Comparing this soap-opera to a messy divorce is hyperbole.

2/11/096:34 PM

CoachAt the head of the table

quote:
Originally posted by JJSD:
quote:
Originally posted by Chuck Cecil:
you'd think he'd killed a bunch of poster's from x4 family members.

But this isn't hyperbole?

Which was exactly my point.

CC, I'm not downplaying your pain (or anyone else's).

Divorce does not equal murder.

2/11/096:38 PM

Chuck CecilMember

quote:
Originally posted by JJSD:
quote:
Originally posted by Chuck Cecil:
you'd think he'd killed a bunch of poster's from x4 family members.

But this isn't hyperbole?

Where did I say it wasn't?

Are you denying the level of vitriol is absurd?

2/11/096:39 PM

JJSDSitzpinkler Schadenfreude

Pfft. Tell that to these people...

2/11/096:39 PM

Chuck CecilMember

^^^
I think it's quite safe to say their counterparts on this argument are doing a nice job of expressing themselves here.

2/11/096:40 PM

JJSDSitzpinkler Schadenfreude

2/11/096:41 PM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

Its like when your friend is involved in a messy divorce.

2/11/096:42 PM

JJSDSitzpinkler Schadenfreude

And comes out of the closet.

2/11/096:42 PM

CoachAt the head of the table

quote:
Originally posted by Chuck Cecil:
A messy divorce, whether its yours or your parents, does real damage to people's lives. Please tell me your not saying this messed you up like your parent's divorce. You'd have to have some seriously screwed up priorities for that to be the case.

Comparing this soap-opera to a messy divorce is hyperbole.

Didn't say that at all. Not in the least.

Call it hyperbole if you wish, but it's still closer to what actually happened than vitriol created as the result of hypothetical murder.

I also never said I was messed up by it (at the time "relieved" was a more accurate reflection of how I felt about it if you want to know the truth). My mother was, though.

A real divorce to this (if you're involved in it)? Of course not.

A divorce from the outside looking in and the all-too human reactions of the involved parties after more than 15 years? I'd say so.

2/11/096:44 PM

FreeSafetyI wonder what the poor people are doing?

And it turns out you've been friends with a real jackass for 17 years.

2/11/096:44 PM

IowacheeseKeen Insight

quote:
Originally posted by oldnavy:
This thread is way too long for me to read everything so, if it has been noted then oh well.

The thing that stood out to me in the article was the idea that TT had taken the team away from Favre.

While Favre may not have said that himself his actions over the last few years suggests there is much more than a grain of truth to the idea.

I consider Favre the greatest Packer I ever got to watch and I grew up with the Lombardi Packers.

However, I lost all respect for him as a person/team player/leader as a result of last summer's bs act.

For the Favre lovers who believe he can do no wrong and has never done any wrong I would like to remind them of a few simple facts of life.

No ship can have two captains. One person has to be in charge. In football there can be only one GM and that person is responsible to the owner or in the Packer's case the president.

This team, at no time in his career was Favre's. Wolf, Sherman, TT were in charge of all personnel decisions. Had they made their decisons based solely on Favre's wishes and desires and they had not panned out, would they been able to go to Harlan and tell him it was all Favre's fault.

No.

His bs act over the last few years with delaying retirement announces (one way or the other) regularly left the team in doubt as how best to proceed. It was his own little way of trying to be in charge. His bs act last summer was nothing more than something done out of pure spite and had nothing to do with his actually being 100% committed to playing the game, but more of being able to play for a team he wanted to stick it to out of pure spite.

this post is way too long for me to bother reading

2/11/096:49 PM

Mr.YuckMember

Wow.....this is one of the better threads here in a while.
In one thread we have Favre lovers, Favre ballwashers, Favre haters, Chicken and Big Chief getting their azzes handed to em', Tim melting down.......and some pretty good discussion about TOG.
Classic!

2/11/096:51 PM

"We"-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

10 effin pages?

You all suck.

2/11/096:57 PM

Mr.YuckMember

At least they didn't quote every response.

2/11/096:59 PM

"We"-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

some of you suck

2/11/097:00 PM

JJSDSitzpinkler Schadenfreude

2/11/097:00 PM

"We"-Ka-BongYou ungrateful biscuit eating son of a bitch

fabulous

2/11/097:01 PM

Mr.YuckMember

I love this place.

2/11/097:04 PM

OldtimerMember

quote:
Originally posted by antiworst:
BTW...I lost my job today.

The most momentous statement made in this 10-page thread. Sorry to see that antiworst. Everyone is on the job bubble these days.

Regarding the never ending Favre soap opera

2/11/097:14 PM

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