Brett Favre is retiring again

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Originally posted by section19:

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Originally posted by Max:
Even if you file papers, you can file new ones to "unretire" the next day.

So what's to keep someone from from retiring on Monday in order to get out of being franchised, for example, and then unretiring on Tuesday and signing with whom ever he wants?

Because the team you retired from still owns your rights, that's what.

As for the other comments here, obviously people who believe he's planning a return with the Vikings or Bears are welcome to their opinion. Regardless of what you believe, though, the Jets haven't released him and they own his rights for the next two years.

Bob Wolfley's story for JS Online says Favre had bitter feelings toward TT from the beginning because he drafted his replacement rather than drafting help for him. Interesting story. Wonder how TT knew that Rodgers would fall as far as he did in the draft? Very telling about Favre, IMO although he did make it an exciting run.

Favre Reveals Bitter Truth

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Originally posted by Max:

Because the team you retired from still owns your rights, that's what.

As for the other comments here, obviously people who believe he's planning a return with the Vikings or Bears are welcome to their opinion. Regardless of what you believe, though, the Jets haven't released him and they own his rights for the next two years.

That's the information I was looking for. Thank you, I think.

From the Oates article:

"This is about the fifth consecutive year that Favre has retired in February -- at least in his mind. Need I remind anyone that he's 5-for-5 in comebacks?"

Too bad for TOG that those are the only comebacks he is any good at.

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Originally posted by Ubetcha: Wonder how TT knew that Rodgers would fall as far as he did in the draft? Very telling about Favre, IMO although he did make it an exciting run.

I'm sure he didn't. ARodge fell and TT said "hey, he's my BPA and we can get that young QB to groom right now, let's go for it." Seems silly that Favre couldn't figure that one out.

section, I wasn't trying to be rude. But obviously the NFL can't let players do that; contracts and free agency would have no meaning at all. Javon Walker or Mike McKenzie could have simply retired and then unretired and signed elsewhere if it was that easy. On the bright side, holdouts would dwindle to zero, so that would be something.

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that." - Ed Werder

Awwwwwww.........

You see Brett, this is what a REAL / Professional GM does when he's running a franchise.

He doesn't cow-tow to a player even if that player is a superstar.

If Favre was truly all about the team, he would have never intimated or said that (even though that's a Werder quote and not Favres)

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Originally posted by Maynard:
From the Oates article:

"This is about the fifth consecutive year that Favre has retired in February -- at least in his mind. Need I remind anyone that he's 5-for-5 in comebacks?"

Too bad for TOG that those are the only comebacks he is any good at.

While that's funny, you did know that Favre has 43 4th quarter comebacks right? (It might be 44)

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Originally posted by Iowacheese:
not enough to keep you from posting about it apparently

I had some time before the bathroom needed watching.

Glad my tax money is keeping your crapper safe and sound.

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Originally posted by Max:
section, I wasn't trying to be rude. But obviously the NFL can't let players do that; contracts and free agency would have no meaning at all. Javon Walker or Mike McKenzie could have simply retired and then unretired and signed elsewhere if it was that easy. On the bright side, holdouts would dwindle to zero, so that would be something.

Max, I wasn't intentionally trying to be dense. It just comes naturally for me. I was just curious what Favres's options might be if decides to pull another 180.

One more question I have is do the Jets own his rights for two years because that is the duration of his contract with them or is it a league/CBA rule that a team always gets to retain the rights of any retired player for two years after his official retirement?

I really thought after the '07 season it would be the first time in ages that he wouldn't waffle but would declare that he was excited and eager to come back for one last season/farewell tour ala Kareem Abdul-Jabbar with teams honoring him at half-time at away games and all that.

Guess not.

Remaining years on his contract.

You don't see those farewell tour type of things very often in the NFL. I actually can't think of any offhand.

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Originally posted by Max:
Remaining years on his contract.

You don't see those farewell tour type of things very often in the NFL. I actually can't think of any offhand.

Thanks for clarifying. Yeah, I guess I can't think of any either.

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Originally posted by Boris:
While that's funny, you did know that Favre has 43 4th quarter comebacks right? (It might be 44)

Oh yeah, I knew he was pretty high up there. I was more referring to his more recent lack of success. A game last year comes to mind...

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Originally posted by section19:

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Originally posted by Max:

Because the team you retired from still owns your rights, that's what.

As for the other comments here, obviously people who believe he's planning a return with the Vikings or Bears are welcome to their opinion. Regardless of what you believe, though, the Jets haven't released him and they own his rights for the next two years.

That's the information I was looking for. Thank you, I think.

Another thing about retiring is that you don't get drug tested after retiring. Guys could retire every February and take any kind of illegal substance they want for a few months then un-retire. So there is a rule that if you un-retire within 1 year of retirement that counts as a positive drug test. If TOG did that I think it would be strike two for him and a 4 game suspension.

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Originally posted by PackerHawk:
If TOG did that I think it would be strike two for him and a 4 game suspension.

I'm pretty sure that's not true. After a certain period of time (considerably less than the dozen years or whatever since Favre was in it) you cycle out of the drug program and any offense is considered a first strike again. A player who has served a four-game suspension and then is clean for a certain period of time -- I think it's 24 months or something -- would not be subject to a year suspension if he tests positive again.

This came up with Travis Henry a few years back. Henry, unfortunately for him, wasn't able to stay clean for the two year period which would have "wiped the slate clean," according to this article.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=3049721

Henry, 28, was suspended by the league for four games in 2005 because of a repeat violation of the substance abuse policy. The substance for which he tested positive on that occasion is not known. Under league guidelines, another test within a two-year period would trigger a one-year suspension. Henry would then have to apply for reinstatement and his compliance with the treatment program prescribed for him would be reviewed.

Under the two-year policy, which essentially wipes a player's slate clean, Henry was scheduled to rotate out of the substance abuse program on Oct. 1. But his lawsuit to block further testing of his urine sample was filed Sept. 20, indicating that the positive test occurred before Oct. 1.

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Originally posted by Mr.Yuck:
What's your point Herschel? That the Jets couldn't have missed the playoffs with Pennington?
You may have more arm strength, but I bet Pennington can post with more relevance.

They certainly could have and likely would have as well. I'm contesting the propping up of Pennington as such a good QB. He's not really worth it any more either. He's a stop gap until Henne is ready, which is likely Game 1 this fall. Then Pennington can play backup for a year or so, cash a few more game checks and retire. He's Ty Detmer revisted now.

Interesting little possible loophole to subverting the drug policy. If we start seeing mass players retire, then un-retire there could be something to it.

Adding to your short story collection antiworst?

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Originally posted by Attack of the Pack:
Adding to your short story collection antiworst?

I bought the book and there's no pages, just a cover.

Now for some really bad Photoshopping...

Top 10 Things Favre Will Do Now

Al Jones, Biloxi (Miss.) Sun-Herald: "Had (Ted) Thompson given Brett a chance to compete for the starting job, he would be preparing for a remarkable 19th NFL season. But Thompson got his way and Brett was sent packing with a grudge against his former general manager. Brett will forgive and forget and have his jersey hanging forever inside Lambeau Stadium where it belongs."

It's hard to believe that a quality journalist like this is stuck working at the Biloxi Sun Herald. I'm thinking the New York Times will be calling any day now.

Didn't the Packers tell him he could compete?

Remember the quote from the Greta "innerview":

"Why?"

(should he have to compete for it)

There was posturing going back and forth by that point so whether or not it was an option is open to debate since Rodgers had been installed as the starter by then.

Why is it so hard to believe that he would be mad that instead of getting players to win now, they draft his replacement? Wouldn't any competitor be mad? If you are getting to the end of your career, of course you are going to be mad that the 1st round pick is used to find your replacement.

TT's priorities/wishes/desires are not the same as Favre's.

And just so I am perfectly clear on my position....TT DID THE RIGHT THING DRAFTING A-ROD. I BELIEVE YOU TAKE THE BPA REGARDLESS OF POSITION.

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Originally posted by BigChiefSecurity:
Why is it so hard to believe that he would be mad that instead of getting players to win now, they draft his replacement? Wouldn't any competitor be mad?

You're missing the point. Favre's job is to play QB & lead the football team ON the field. It doesn't matter if he has 10 pee-wee league players to play with. Shutup and do your job. TT handles the OFF field decisions including players drafted/acquired.

WTF does Favre think he is?? Bill Parcells?

Would Tom Brady or Peyton Manning tell their respective front offices who or which players they should be drafting/acquiring?

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Originally posted by Boris:

You're missing the my point. Favre's job is to play QB & lead the football team ON the field. It doesn't matter if he has 10 pee-wee league players to play with. Shutup and do your job. TT handles the OFF field decisions including players drafted/acquired.

Boris-

I don't think Manning/Brady would TELL their front offices how pissed they were, but PRIVATELY I think they would be mad

The year before last when (2006) when Brady had no weapons, I bet he would have been ticked if going into 2007 they would not have gotten Moss, Stallworth, and Welker. Think Manning would have been happy PRIVATELY if the Colts cut Wayne and Harrison?

His job is to play football. His job is not to be the GM. All I am saying is that I can see how that would tick him off. Please don't read anything more into it saying I think he should be making football decisions, because he shouldn't

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Originally posted by Boris:
Would Tom Brady or Peyton Manning tell their respective front offices who or which players they should be drafting/acquiring?

Like I said earlier, lots of veteran quarterbacks have indeed been ticked off when their teams used high picks on their potential replacements. By most accounts in Denver at the time, John Elway went to owner Pat Bowlen and essentially got Dan Reeves fired, after Reeves used the team's first round pick on Tommy Maddox. Dan Marino didn't like the Dolphins drafting Scott Mitchell. McNabb was vocal in complaining about the Eagles drafting Kevin Kolb a couple of years ago. I'M NOT SAYING THESE GUYS WERE RIGHT. But history suggests your question isn't as rhetorical as you think. If the Colts or Patriots use their first-round pick on a QB two or three years from now, yes it's possible one of those guys will be annoyed about it. Favre's not the first and he won't be the last. Doesn't make them right, but you act like it's unthinkable it would happen elsewhere. It has. It will again.

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Originally posted by BigChiefSecurity:
Boris-

I don't think Manning/Brady would TELL their front offices how pissed they were, but PRIVATELY I think they would be mad

The year before last when (2006) when Brady had no weapons, I bet he would have been ticked if going into 2007 they would not have gotten Moss, Stallworth, and Welker. Think Manning would have been happy PRIVATELY if the Colts cut Wayne and Harrison?

His job is to play football. His job is not to be the GM. All I am saying is that I can see how that would tick him off. Please don't read anything more into it saying I think he should be making football decisions, because he shouldn't

Then consider Favre should have been aware that 2005 was not a year TT could do any FA shopping because he was cleaning up Sherman's cap mess. After 2005 it was evident the team was going into rebuild mode. What did TT do in those years? He drafted a ton of offense. Obviously not all of TT's picks were hits, but go look at TT's drafts and see how many WR he did draft. He drafted Murphy, Jennings, Nelson all in the second round and took a bunch of WR scattered in the lower rounds.

Essentially, it's the same debate that's been going on since TT was hired. Favre didn't like TT's vision to build the team, which had to start with getting rid of dead weight and looking towards the future. If Favre wants to be pissed at someone, be pissed at Sherman for wasting the prime of his career and not reigning him in.

Good post, Max.

TT did the right thing, but that doesn't mean Favre should have just been fine with bringing in Rodgers that year. It is what I like about both men. TT doesn't care about who he may upset, but just does what he thinks is right for the organization. Favre was upset because he wanted some more weapons to compete while he was still playing, Rodgers doesn't exactly help make the Packers better while Favre was still playing.

When was TT supposed to bring in someone to replace Favre, after he was gone?? Did Favre think he was going to play forever, or just be irreplaceable?

Why should Favre have been happy with that decision though? It in no way helps him or the team that he was playing with that season. It was also in no way the wrong choice by TT as it was his job to find Favre's eventual replacement in enough time that the team would not suffer greatly with bad QB play. Anyone that is competitive wants to win, selecting a QB with your first pick knowing that he will not play that year does not help the team win that season, it does help the continued success of the franchise though.

Do you seize the day and pick the number 1 quarterback in the first round who magically falls in your lap? Or do you just grab a guy in the fifth or sixth round? The pick of Rodgers was an absolute no-brainer.

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Originally posted by who:
Do you seize the day and pick the number 1 quarterback in the first round who magically falls in your lap? Or do you just grab a guy in the fifth or sixth round? The pick of Rodgers was an absolute no-brainer.

BPA

Favre doesn't have to be happy with the decision but he also doesn't need to make it public with Greta, Mort, Werder, US, etc.

Favre's actions/words were very unprofessional in my opinion.

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Originally posted by brosto1:
Why should Favre have been happy with that decision though? It in no way helps him or the team that he was playing with that season. It was also in no way the wrong choice by TT as it was his job to find Favre's eventual replacement in enough time that the team would not suffer greatly with bad QB play. Anyone that is competitive wants to win, selecting a QB with your first pick knowing that he will not play that year does not help the team win that season, it does help the continued success of the franchise though.

He didn't have to be happy with it but he did have to deal with it. The pick itself is symptomatic of Favre believing he was some kind of de facto GM like he was under Sherman. Sounds like he got a wake up call.

A very small minority would have not taken Rodgers. I definitely would have taken him and was elated with the selection. I agree the selection was a no-brainer for most fans, but consider yourself a player on that team especially a veteran who does not have a lot of years left.

Boris- You look at it as unprofessional and I can definitely understand that. I happen to look back at it as him just telling it the way he felt, the truth through his eyes. It doesn't always sound the best, because most people and athlets are too scared to say what is truth to them. Favre's remarks definitely made things ugly, but I don't fault him for telling how he truly felt. Some people just wear their emotions on their sleeve and that is the Favre that I always remember.

It actually reminds me of things in everyday life that I would come across and often wonder if it is really best to answer something truthfully or just use an answer of deceit or use a white lie. Ten years ago, I would have used the "white lie" more often than not so I would not step on any toes. Today, I rarely use the "white lie" because it is still a lie. Fortunately, I have a wife who when she asks me something like, "How do I look," she actually wants my honest opinion not me giving an answer to avoid controversy.

Good points brosto1

Feel free to provide me with some links to some direct quotes, but I never remember Favre actually stating that he was upset with any personnel moves other than wanting Randy Moss.

Not saying that he didn't but it seems like many are taking Ed Werder's report as gospel:

"His first move when he took over the management of the franchise was not to get Brett Favre more help on offense, but to draft his successor, Aaron Rodgers, with the very first pick. I don't think Brett really ever forgave him for that."

When just recently, it was debated that he was a hack:

http://timesfour.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/938109321/m/1111059933

When Favre is talking directly to Werder and Mortensen, it doesn't really matter if he's a hack or not.