Maybe rename the Cleveland Steamer for him
quote:Originally posted by Slayer:quote:Originally posted by Goldie:
Oh thanks for that slayer...... that's just great.
just because I don't like favre peeing on me doesn't mean I wouldn't let you do it
Yikes! I'm sure THAT made her feel better.
Golden showers, Cleveland steamers and vindictive pricks all in one thread...
Maybe rename it "A Night on the Town with Henry and Blair?"
How's the family?
So true.
The whole vet QB versus 2 rookies discussion for last year is a ridiculous debate. Rodgers played the whole year and the Tampa example is only 1 game. So they go 7-9 instead of 6-10.
For those who want to project to later this season, tell me why you think that neither Brohm nor Flynn could not perform at a very competent level for GB if Rodgers goes down. Two off-seasons in McCarthy's system and I believe both will be more than ready to step in if needed in 2009.
quote:Originally posted by kworst:
YAWN
Last year should never have happened.
He could have retired a legend and been loved by all.
Now, who cares.
So true.
The whole vet QB versus 2 rookies discussion for last year is a ridiculous debate. Rodgers played the whole year and the Tampa example is only 1 game. So they go 7-9 instead of 6-10.
For those who want to project to later this season, tell me why you think that neither Brohm nor Flynn could not perform at a very competent level for GB if Rodgers goes down. Two off-seasons in McCarthy's system and I believe both will be more than ready to step in if needed in 2009.
quote:Originally posted by Hungry5:
For those who want to project to later this season, tell me why you think that neither Brohm nor Flynn could not perform at a very competent level for GB if Rodgers goes down. Two off-seasons in McCarthy's system and I believe both will be more than ready to step in if needed in 2009.
My belief is that Brohm will be handed the number two spot again. No way they spend a second rounder and not give him every opportunity. If he fails miserably again, I'm still on the side of getting a vet. Cut Flynn, trade Flynn, practice squad him...whatever...
I don't think anyone believes Flynn will be anything more than a good backup but if both guys make good progress in their second year you might as well run with it. Last year was a big risk, these guys have more experience under their belts.
I agree with picking up a vet if these guys don't show the proper progress this offseason. It was a big gamble last year, and luckily Rodgers stayed in one piece.
Rodgers stayed healthy for all but about one half of a game against the Bucs. That game was winable if our backup could have come in and moved the ball down the field a bit.
Rodgers stayed healthy for all but about one half of a game against the Bucs. That game was winable if our backup could have come in and moved the ball down the field a bit.
quote:Originally posted by Mick730:
I enjoy when the old Packers come to Green Bay for alumni day, or like this past year at the Houston game, when Ezra Johnson and Dave Robinson came to the game and were introduced at half time, but I don't care if I ever see Favre in Green Bay again. He's a dick.
I still remember the intense hatred a lot of fans had for how Bart Starr handled things while he coached the Packers and the bitterness he felt at being fired. Many were of the 'good riddance' attitude.
Today Starr walks into a room and gets standing ovations and is hounded for autographs.
Granted, Starr and Favre are two different types of people, but the intensity of some fans emotions today will likely wane over time. Unless he goes out and murders someone, I'd wager he'll get enthusiastic receptions in the years ahead.
quote:Originally posted by grbaypack:
That game was winable if our backup could have come in and moved the ball down the field a bit.
....and our coach didn't panic.
I would really like to know how there will be all these great veterans available. People need to face facts, there aren't many good QB's in the NFL anymore.
""It sucks getting old," he said. "At 40 years old, your mind tells you that you can do all the things you could in your younger years but the body doesn't cooperate. As I look back on it, I had my moments where people said, 'It was the same Brett Favre, just a different uniform.'"
Immediately after his first Jets season, Favre had decided that if it was also his final NFL season. There would be no news conference as there had been 11 months ago in Green Bay."
It appears to be over. This time Favre isn't saying he thinks he still can play. Not having the recommended surgery and talking about "getting old" doesn't sound like someone coming back in August. I think he is realizing his best "moments" are behind him, regardless of what his friends and family were urging him to do in 2008.
Immediately after his first Jets season, Favre had decided that if it was also his final NFL season. There would be no news conference as there had been 11 months ago in Green Bay."
It appears to be over. This time Favre isn't saying he thinks he still can play. Not having the recommended surgery and talking about "getting old" doesn't sound like someone coming back in August. I think he is realizing his best "moments" are behind him, regardless of what his friends and family were urging him to do in 2008.
Forget about great veterans .. we just needed someone who could come in and run a pro style west coast offense ... Flynn wasn't up to the task at that point. Hopefully him or Brohm will be ready to move an offense this year.quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:quote:Originally posted by grbaypack:
That game was winable if our backup could have come in and moved the ball down the field a bit.
....and our coach didn't panic.
I would really like to know how there will be all these great veterans available. People need to face facts, there aren't many good QB's in the NFL anymore.
For the record Favre denies asking for his release from the Jets, but then again his credibility isn't exactly, ah Hall of Fame.
quote:Originally posted by FANtastic:quote:Originally posted by Mick730:
I enjoy when the old Packers come to Green Bay for alumni day, or like this past year at the Houston game, when Ezra Johnson and Dave Robinson came to the game and were introduced at half time, but I don't care if I ever see Favre in Green Bay again. He's a dick.
I still remember the intense hatred a lot of fans had for how Bart Starr handled things while he coached the Packers and the bitterness he felt at being fired. Many were of the 'good riddance' attitude.
Today Starr walks into a room and gets standing ovations and is hounded for autographs.
Granted, Starr and Favre are two different types of people, but the intensity of some fans emotions today will likely wane over time. Unless he goes out and murders someone, I'd wager he'll get enthusiastic receptions in the years ahead.
Sorry, not going to let this slide. Nobody, except maybe Cliff Crystal, hated Bart Starr when he was the coach. And if you remember, when he got fired after the 1983 season, it was not after a losing season. And if Bart was bitter about being fired, he certainly didn't tell you that, nor anybody else. He left with class and dignity.
Packer fans at the time were disappointed that Bart couldn't deliver a winner to Green Bay, they didn't hate him, he wasn't run out of town, and he didn't piss all over the franchise and the fans when he got let go.
Your comparison is wrong beyond words.
Statement from the Green Bay Packers:
"Congratulations to Brett on a remarkable career. The Packers organization wishes him and his family well. Brett always will hold a special place in Green Bay Packers history, and we remain committed to retiring his number at an appropriate time in the future"
Will be interesting to see how long "appropriate" is in Mark Murphy/TT's eyes.
"Congratulations to Brett on a remarkable career. The Packers organization wishes him and his family well. Brett always will hold a special place in Green Bay Packers history, and we remain committed to retiring his number at an appropriate time in the future"
Will be interesting to see how long "appropriate" is in Mark Murphy/TT's eyes.
quote:Originally posted by PackFoo:
You are an idiot-I'm sure the media is laughing all the way to the bank off of morons like you.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
Will be interesting to see how long "appropriate" is in Mark Murphy/TT's eyes.
It all depends on how much of a man Favre is.
quote:Originally posted by Cheesewiz:
You are an idiot-I'm sure the media is laughing all the way to the bank off of morons like you.
Your hero is done. Soak in what a self centered putz he is.
quote:Originally posted by TimthePackerFan:
He attacks everyone, threads discussion never focus on allowing people to have and opinion any more, just slash, stab and bully.
quote:Originally posted by Mick730:quote:Originally posted by FANtastic:quote:Originally posted by Mick730:
I enjoy when the old Packers come to Green Bay for alumni day, or like this past year at the Houston game, when Ezra Johnson and Dave Robinson came to the game and were introduced at half time, but I don't care if I ever see Favre in Green Bay again. He's a dick.
I still remember the intense hatred a lot of fans had for how Bart Starr handled things while he coached the Packers and the bitterness he felt at being fired. Many were of the 'good riddance' attitude.
Today Starr walks into a room and gets standing ovations and is hounded for autographs.
Granted, Starr and Favre are two different types of people, but the intensity of some fans emotions today will likely wane over time. Unless he goes out and murders someone, I'd wager he'll get enthusiastic receptions in the years ahead.
Sorry, not going to let this slide. Nobody, except maybe Cliff Crystal, hated Bart Starr when he was the coach.
I recall the situation quite well. He wasn't as public about his irritation with the Packers organization because that wasn't his style, but I do recall at the time that he felt that he had the team on the brink and was not happy about being fired.
He was also under pressure from the fan base. If you think Crystal was the only one interested in seeing Starr replaced at that time, your memory isn't too sharp.
Link
But it was not far into the preseason before things went sour. The Packers played a 0-0 tie with San Diego and then lost their next four games. They were shut out three times (including the tie), and in their final three exhibitions were out-scored 69-3. The Pack averaged just 63.6 yards per game rushing for those five games. Against Denver in the only preseason contest played at Lambeau Field, Green Bay reached rock bottom, losing 38-0 and getting booed off-the field. For the first time since he arrived as a player in 1956, Starr was jeered by a hometown crowd, his crowd—one fan even poured beer on his head.
Director of Public Relations Chuck Lane, who had been with the Packers 14 years and was one of Starr's closest confidants, rebuked Lofton publicly for his behavior and then was amazed to have Starr chew him out for criticizing Lofton. Months later, long after Lane assumed the incident had blown over, Starr had Lane fired. Lane was crushed by what he still considers an act of betrayal. "Bart has turned into one hell of a vindictive guy," he says, "a 180-degree turnabout from the man I knew in 1974. Every time I made a speaking appearance or went on one of those radio call-in shows during the past five years, I was defending Bart at every turn. I don't think anybody has ever defended a coach with less ammunition than I had."
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"They were disappointed in his lack of coaching success," said Remmel. "He himself said if he hadn't been who he was, he would have not been head coach of the Packers for as long as he was."
He was fired after the 1983 season, and the fans who once couldn't wait to see him were now rejoicing he was gone. Though not all.
"I don't think it was fair at all," said Volpintesta, who named her youngest son after Starr. "After all he gave and all he did, just because he couldn't bring the team to a championship was no reason to put him down as they did."
No one at the time could say for sure what this meant for Starr's future in Green Bay.
"I think the pain and the disappointment of losing and being sacked was overwhelming to him," said Kramer, a teammate and friend of Starr's. "I'm sure he thought this was the end of his relationship in Green Bay and why did it have to end on such a sour note."
But if you can depend on Packers fans for one thing, it's this: they have an innate ability to forgive and forget.
"You notice that every alumni day, the so-called Packers homecoming, he receives the loudest response from the fans," said Remmel of Starr. "I'm sure he finds that gratifying. I think most Packers fans feel the same way. He is eternally popular."
Can you imagine how much TT must despise TOG? He's just too decent of a guy to admit it.
As a huge PACKERS fan who never rooted any harder for TOG than I did any other player on the PACKERS, it wouldn't bother me one bit if he never reconciles with the organization. I'd much rather see truly honorable Packers like William Henderson and LeRoy Butler (just to name a few) celebrated than someone like TOG.
JMO.
As a huge PACKERS fan who never rooted any harder for TOG than I did any other player on the PACKERS, it wouldn't bother me one bit if he never reconciles with the organization. I'd much rather see truly honorable Packers like William Henderson and LeRoy Butler (just to name a few) celebrated than someone like TOG.
JMO.
quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
Will be interesting to see how long "appropriate" is in Mark Murphy/TT's eyes.
It all depends on how much of a man Favre is.
If that's the criteria, I'm thinking 2040.
I miss the days when life was much simpler
quote:Originally posted by heyward:quote:Originally posted by GBFanForLife:quote:Originally posted by packerboi:
Will be interesting to see how long "appropriate" is in Mark Murphy/TT's eyes.
It all depends on how much of a man Favre is.
If that's the criteria, I'm thinking 2040.
TOG's national mouthpiece in ESPN's Mort said today he thinks it will be a good 3-5 years before that ceremony takes place. Stated TOG's "despise" of the Packers organization is namely one source, one person.
Ted Thompson.
And Mort felt it would be not be anytime soon before Favre will want to participate in any ceramony. In other words, TOG's is hoping that 3-5 years= the time until Ted is no longer GM.
Your links are worthless opinion pieces, and especially from SI. Nobody IN GREEN BAY hated Bart Starr, nobody ran him out of town, and of course, Starr knows and knew at the time, as does every other Packer fan, that he lasted as HC as long as he did, because he was Bart Starr and because everybody, EVERYBODY, held him in such high esteem.
It never made a damn bit of sense why the ceremony wasn't originally scheduled for "3-5 years down the road" in the first place.
Mort or one of those other fools from ESPN also said that Favre never forgave TT for drafting Rodgers. Typical. TT spends every waking minute looking out for the Green Bay Packers. TOG spent every waking minute looking out for TOG. And yet "Packer" fans still spew hatred at TT. Just incredible.
And BTW, from 1998 to 2008, TOG won a grand total of 3 playoff games. 3!! Excuse me for not bowing before his greatness.
And BTW, from 1998 to 2008, TOG won a grand total of 3 playoff games. 3!! Excuse me for not bowing before his greatness.
quote:Originally posted by heyward:
Can you imagine how much TT must despise TOG? He's just too decent of a guy to admit it.
As a huge PACKERS fan who never rooted any harder for TOG than I did any other player on the PACKERS, it wouldn't bother me one bit if he never reconciles with the organization. I'd much rather see truly honorable Packers like William Henderson and LeRoy Butler (just to name a few) celebrated than someone like TOG.
JMO.
Same here.
quote:Originally posted by heyward:
Mort or one of those other fools from ESPN also said that Favre never forgave TT for drafting Rodgers. Typical. TT spends every waking minute looking out for the Green Bay Packers. TOG spent every waking minute looking out for TOG. And yet "Packer" fans still spew hatred at TT. Just incredible.
And BTW, from 1998 to 2008, TOG won a grand total of 3 playoff games. 3!! Excuse me for not bowing before his greatness.
ROTTT and the Packers did what they had to do when they picked Rodgers. They had a mid 30's QB who was waffling every year about possible retirement. TT looked to the future and I bet deep down TOG knew that.
The people who wont let the TOG thing go are still living in 1996. Folks the guy is GONE and I personnally cant wait until the day comes when I can go to JSO and other Packer sites are read about the TEAM that is the Packers. Not the endless TT vs. TOG stuff.
quote:Originally posted by heyward:
Mort or one of those other fools from ESPN also said that Favre never forgave TT for drafting Rodgers
It was Mort. And his quote was that TOG considered it a "slap in the face" to him for drafting Rodgers in the 1st round. Talk about arrogant.
Little does he remember that was not even TT's intention at the start of draft. Rodgers fell to TT like a gift. And thankfully TT accepted it.
quote:Originally posted by heyward:
Mort or one of those other fools from ESPN also said that Favre never forgave TT for drafting Rodgers. Typical.
It's this kind of stuff that just stuns me. Drafting a QB who patiently waited behind you because you're in your late 30's? I just can't grasp the sheer arrogance of a stance like this. Be competitive, strive to play but are you really going to get pissed at the GM because he's trying to keep the team moving in the right direction? I guess Rodgers should be pissed about Brohm and Flynn.
Unreal. Screw that prick.
Thompson taking Rodgers in the first round in 2005 burst not only Favre's little self centered bubble of a world, it burst that idiot Sherman's as well.
Sherman and Favre had been living off the 1996 Favre for years, proclaiming year after year, that "so long as we have Brett Favre, we're one player away from the Super Bowl!"
It was a sham. Taking Rodgers with that pick in the 1st round was exactly the right thing to do, and if Sherman had any brains and or guts, he would have drafted a qb before then when he was GM.
In the end, I think it all works out best for the Packers and for Rodgers.
Sherman and Favre had been living off the 1996 Favre for years, proclaiming year after year, that "so long as we have Brett Favre, we're one player away from the Super Bowl!"
It was a sham. Taking Rodgers with that pick in the 1st round was exactly the right thing to do, and if Sherman had any brains and or guts, he would have drafted a qb before then when he was GM.
In the end, I think it all works out best for the Packers and for Rodgers.
If so, Favre would be part of a lengthy list of franchise QBs who resented their teams using high draft picks on quarterbacks. Dan Marino when Miami drafted Scott Mitchell, John Elway when Dan Reeves drafted Tommy Maddox, Donovan McNabb when the Eagles drafted Kevin Kolb, etc. Big deal.
quote:Originally posted by heyward:
Mort or one of those other fools from ESPN also said that Favre never forgave TT for drafting Rodgers. Typical. TT spends every waking minute looking out for the Green Bay Packers. TOG spent every waking minute looking out for TOG. And yet "Packer" fans still spew hatred at TT. Just incredible.
Favre started his yearly retirement ruminations in 2002.
2002
2003
2004
2005 (Rodgers drafted)
2006
2007
2008 (Favre Traded)
Favre had been talking retirement at least three years before Rodgers was drafted, and he didn't expect the braintrust (whether it was Thompson or if another person had gotten the GM job that year) to eventually attempt to address that at some point? If it hadn't happened then, it probably would've the next year at the latest.
I don't even believe TT went into that draft targeting a QB in the early rounds, but he damn sure was smart enough to take one when a player that almost went #1 overall dropped into his lap.
Thank goodness that happened. We're now set at starting QB for the forseeable future, and hopefully someday all of this nonsense will be just a memory.
quote:Originally posted by packerboi:quote:Originally posted by heyward:
Mort or one of those other fools from ESPN also said that Favre never forgave TT for drafting Rodgers
It was Mort. And his quote was that TOG considered it a "slap in the face" to him for drafting Rodgers in the 1st round. Talk about arrogant.
Little does he remember that was not even TT's intention at the start of draft. Rodgers fell to TT like a gift. And thankfully TT accepted it.
I heard Mort on the radio today driving between meatings, and his most passionate response to a question concerned TOG's legacy. Mort got on his stump and shouted how TOG's legacy was 'ABSOLUTELY NOT tarnished in any way whatsoever, regardless of all that happened.' Maybe time will prove him right, but there will probably always be folks who remember his antics last summer. Regardless, Mort's credibility went right down the crapper last summer anyway, so I guess his response wasn't a surprise.
quote:Originally posted by Coach:
I don't even believe TT went into that draft targeting a QB in the early rounds, but he damn sure was smart enough to take one when a player that almost went #1 overall dropped into his lap.
Agreed, but I can't believe that TT didn't know before he ever took the GBP job that he'd ultimately be the guy who 'ran off TOG' one way or another.