@Shadow posted:I'd put in $5 if we need to start a collection to bring in Al Harris as DC. His energy alone would be worth it.
Energy! That’s the one thing Barry brings. We need a coach with more than that, please.
@michiganjoe posted:I apparently have a much higher opinion of MLF than many here do. I think he's a good coach who made a bad hire and compounded his mistake by not rectifying it when he should have. Not even close to wanting to kick him to the curb like many appear to want to do.
McCarthy was shown the door in large part for being stubborn to a fault in his loyalty to assistants. He's proven as a vg offensive mind just like Matt.It's the same case here with Barry. This is a head coach unwilling to make an administrative decision. It's a far cry from X's and O's. This is where MLF fails as a leader. If Barry stays beyond the last three games, MLF is on the clock in his own right. Leaders make difficult decisions, and he's run from this one every which way he can. This is not some knee jerk situation. This is three years of returning to the same type of shit performance. Now your leaders in the locker room are fed up. Do what is best for the Green Bay Packers as an organization.
Anybody except Joe Barry and Matt Patricia. 
@ammo posted:Anybody except Joe Barry and Matt Patricia.
Careful what you wish for
@H5 posted:I wonder if Campbell's comment was directed more at JA than JB or ML?
That's an interesting idea about Campbell talking to Jaire rather than Barry or MLF. I see it as a shot at all three: "Jaire, you should be playing despite not being at full strength; others are out here playing through injuries. Barry, you suck as DC and you left me out to dry Sunday again and again, and I'm not going to play for you if you can't take some of the blame. MLF, I'm joining Jaire on the sideline until you dump Joe Barry."
I don't blame Campbell one bit.
@DocBenni posted:So who do want as the next DC?
Pretty sure you could do better.
@Boris posted:Teams that have a young QB & GASP 😳are changing things up when it's not working.
Eagles got their fucking asses kicked by the Niners. It took them all of 1 game to make a change.....we get 3 years of the same fucking bullshit.
I hate this team
I hate the silos that allowed for this to happen. MM is ultimately responsible, but he'll get the golden parachute because a bunch of dunces are on the board who like sledding hills.
Goldie would have our guys light up QB's. Wait. I meant doobies.
@H5 posted:
Ouch. Barry has clearly lost the locker room which is probably why Alexander isn't back. Soon, MLF will lose the locker room if he hasn't already. The team needs a housecleaning from Murphy on down.
In a perfect structure. The GM hires the OC and DC and it’s up to the HC to make everything work.
(This assumes the GM is competent)
Tired of coaches hiring non threats and protecting them until they can’t.
Everyones accountable here.
@EC Pack posted:Probably why Jerry Gray isn't coaching the secondary in GB anymore. He didn't like/coach Dingleberry's scheme.
That was a huge loss. Our one game against KC with him coordinating last year, the defense played like their hair was on fire. Fuck you, MLF. You wouldn't know talent if it hit you over the fucking head.
@michiganjoe posted:.I think he's a good coach who made a bad hire and compounded his mistake by not rectifying it when he should have. Not even close to wanting to kick him to the curb like many appear to want to do.
Good coaches don't make bad hires, and if they do, they show them the door.
@H5 posted:
What many believe will happen, but it may be too late.
If MLF was in danger of losing his job if they didn't make the playoffs, Barry would be gone now. There is no pressure on MLF right now. That starts next season
@BrainDed posted:You are losing the locker room NOW. It makes no sense to wait and let this get even worse.
Unless we're looking for draft position.
@SteveLuke posted:I like MLF as a person.
I think MLF is a bright offensive mind. I think MLF did quite well handling a difficult and outsized personality in Rodgers. I like what MLF has done with Love and the receivers.
I think MLF was saddled with the already under contract Pettine as his first DC by the FRONT OFFICE. I don't think MLF handled his relationship with Pettine very well.
I think MLF made a monumental error hiring 2-time (now 3-time) loser Joe Barry as his preferred DC.
I think MLF got saddled with Mennenga because the FRONT OFFICE refused to ante up for his preferred choice Rizzi.
I think MLF screwed up royally by promoting Drayton from within. I think MLF screwed up even worse by keeping Drayton on after every drunk in every tavern across Wisconsin recognized he was in over his head.
I think the Bisaccia hire has been more hype than substance.
I think MLF is likely to have his second straight below .500 season.
I think MLF better get his next DC hiring right or he may be looking at a third straight below .500 record at the same time that the guy who hired him is retiring.
I think you're dead on. Well said.
@Tschmack posted:Mike Holmgren nearly benched Favre in 1994, so there’s no question he had the stones to make the tough decisions.
Ron Wolf fired Ray Rhodes after 1 season.
There isn’t really any comparison to what goes on in GB today. MLF is more a coordinator than head coach and he won’t hold anyone accountable, whether it’s a player or coach. He’s more interested in making impressions and friends.
That being said, it seems like college and pro football are really all about who you know and how you build your staffs than actual performance on the field.
Given that description, he wouldn't make a good OC either.
@MichiganPacker posted:I think MLF was able to handle Rodgers well because he's a very good person and willing to sublimate his ego to deal with difficult personalities. To handle Rodgers, you have to constantly treat him like he's the smartest person in the room in every situation. I think MLF was probably able to get Rodgers to do things by convincing AR that it was AR's idea to do something MLF wanted.
The same willingness to be treated like a subservient in that situation can also lead to the impression that you aren't really in charge and aren't a natural leader. I don't get a sense that there is much accountability for failure in MLF's tenure. Amari Rodgers got seemingly dozens of chances. Drayton was one of the worst special teams coaches in modern NFL history and he stayed on an entire year. DeGuara is another guy that keeps getting sent out there to do try to do things he can't do. Barry does the same thing over and over and nothing happens.
Does anyone think that Mike Holmgren would have put up with any of this stuff on his coaching staff? He'd have exploded. Holmgren (along with Andy Reid and Mariucci) were also the guy that Favre respected and feared. Holmgren also built some of the best assistant coaching staffs ever assembled (just like his mentor Bill Walsh). MLF really seems to struggle at building a coaching staff - which I think is largely due to not wanting anyone around to really challenge him.
Be interested to see what people with a lot of coaching experience (like FLPacker as a college head basketball coach) did to handle these types of situations.
I think you are spot on. MLF was in a tough spot with AR, who had a lot more "cred" than he did with the players and media. He had to acquiescent to him to survive. MLF doesn't really have a strong "presence", which is why I think AR favored guys like Pettine & Basaccia, who would seem to command a room much better than MLF. I never had that situation, although it was my experience that if you have difficulty with a player, employee, etc. their behavior is usually motivated by one of these three things ; power, attention, revenge. I always strived to give the players some "power" by letting them choose things I didn't really care about such as uniforms, travel gear, meals, practice time, etc. Obviously pro sports is much different but the absolute best motivator is the bench, all players want to play. Right from his first press conference I questioned whether MLF could get in front of 60 NFL players and command them.
@Boris posted:Yeah firing Berry right now doesn't help much but it sends a message.
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Which is why it hasn't happened yet.
@Harry Manback posted:Ouch. Barry has clearly lost the locker room which is probably why Alexander isn't back. Soon, MLF will lose the locker room if he hasn't already. The team needs a housecleaning from Murphy on down.
The first top towards losing the locker room was when they traded Douglas. They won games after that, but it signaled that the front office had given up on the season. They got the equivalent of a 4th round pick for a guy that is now a starter for a bona fide title contender. It might have been the right move for the future, but it was the equivalent of the Hader trade from a locker room perspective (obviously Hader is a more talented player) - you lose a guy that's very popular in the locker room in the middle of the year and get nothing to help you immediately.
When players start to half ass it, others get hurt through no fault of their own. This is a dangerous situation for the hard working young guys like Love and Kraft and Van Ness. Guys around them may be looking out for themselves and not each other. There is a very large bud to be nipped.
Critical decision will be the hiring of a new DC, not the timing of Joe Barry's dismissal. Agree with others that next year will determine the fate of MLF as head coach (not the overall record as much as the trajectory of the team).
@lovepack posted:When players start to half ass it, others get hurt through no fault of their own. This is a dangerous situation for the hard working young guys like Love and Kraft and Van Ness. Guys around them may be looking out for themselves and not each other. There is a very large bud to be nipped.
I don't see players "half-passing it", rather players uncertain about their responsibilities, and even when they are, a half step slow to make the play.
@Floridarob posted:can we trade Campbell for Devin White?
---or Micah Parsons?
@mrtundra posted:I hear Ejiro Evero's name come up in discussions. Don't know much about him, but heard others wanted him here before he went to Denver.
He (MLF) had the opportunity to hire him before the start of the 2023 season.
Chose his bosom buddy and lifelong pal "Joever" instead
https://www.reddit.com/r/Green...re_barry_megathread/
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How does this happen? I'll tell you exactly how it happens. Joe effing berry
I don’t necessarily know how this happens in a gameplay specific situation for Packers pic.twitter.com/XGEHCmRWUa
— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) December 19, 2023
@Boris posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/Green...re_barry_megathread/
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How does this happen? I'll tell you exactly how it happens. Joe effing berry
I don’t necessarily know how this happens in a gameplay specific situation for Packers pic.twitter.com/XGEHCmRWUa
— Dan Orlovsky (@danorlovsky7) December 19, 2023
Even the crappy QBs the Badgers have had over the last decade would convert this pass every time. Joe Barry's defenses seem designed to take away the harder throws to convert (deep outs, long throw to the boundary, deep outs - with ) and make the easy throws (like this one to Godwin closer to the middle of the field) even easier.
The two deep safeties both retreat to behind the 15 yard line on 3rd and 4 from the 32.
@FLPACKER posted:I don't see players "half-passing it", rather players uncertain about their responsibilities, and even when they are, a half step slow to make the play.
I also think the defensive players have very little confidence they are being put in a position to be successful. Some of these guys are very smart and individually they do a lot of film. Rasul Douglas clearly did. K. Nixon talked about how he read the wheel route on his key interception against Mahomes which is likely a result of a good position coach working with his players.
I would bet these guys are even more frustrated that we are when they line up in a coverage they know is going to get torched.
I would guess the stories that come out down the road about what was going on behind the scenes in Green Bay right now will be very interesting. The GB local beat writers ignored what was, in retrospect, a clear disintegration of the Rodgers-MM relationship for years. I would bet the Campbell/Douglas/Alexander stuff is just the tip of the iceberg.
I always felt the Packer beat writers were/are honest in the coverage they provide, but they cherry pick what coverage they're providing.
there’s not much digging that goes on by the media covering the team. it’s mostly regurgitating what the coaches and players say at press conferences and then speculating off that. real journalism involves developing sources over long periods of time. the Silverstein/Wilde/Wood crowd does not seem interested in that
the best sportswriter in Wisconsin these days is Jesse Temple at the athletic. he only covers the Badgers though
@Boris posted:https://www.reddit.com/r/Green...re_barry_megathread/
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How does this happen? I'll tell you exactly how it happens. Joe effing berry Matt Fucking LaFuckFuck
At this point, it's like being mad at the dog for shitting all over the living room, not the owner who was too busy scrolling Instagram to take the dog out.
We have the shitty defense our HCINO (head coach in name only) allows. It's beyond Barry's fault at this point...it's the fuckhead who has refused to hold him accountable.
