@Blair Kiel posted:Bears record vs. Packers since 1993 is 14-46 and L’il Kim is in here talking smack. 😀
Another fun fact:
In the four seasons 2004 - 2007, the Bears were actually 6-2 against the Packers. So in the other 26 other seasons during this time span the Bears were 8-44.
Wow!
Fun Fact #2:
In 2008, the Packers former First Round pick, starting for the first time after sitting behind a legend/HoF QB (who happened to dominate the Bears over the course of his career), began his career 3-2 versus Chicago. After those five games, the former First Round pick who held the clipboard for a few seasons went 23-2 against the Bears.
Wow #2 !!!
I think both of those losses were in games he left with a broken collarbone.
I dint include the Seneca Wallace game in November 2013. AR played the first series and left injured leading 3-0. He’d played the entire game in the two losses.
@Blair Kiel posted:Bears record vs. Packers since 1993 is 14-46 and L’il Kim is in here talking smack. 😀
Has anyone seen or heard from BK after he posted this? Just sayin.....
Does BK have a veranda?
I realize it was Family Night but Jordan Love made some nice throws. Maybe he succeeds, or maybe he flames out.
In the end, if the Packers are terrible this year their 1 will be decent and with the Jets 1 they will have a good amount of draft capital to take a QB early in the 2024 draft.
It’s a strange year in that we have NO idea how good or bad this team can be but how many thought an Aaron Rodgers team would be 8-9 in 2022? Very few if any.
@titmfatied posted:Sounds like a Brett Favre flashback
Shady McCoy starts his take with the KC game saying it was "bad, real bad." So being thrust into a starting role unexpectedly in one of the toughest stadiums in the league, the kid went 19-34 for 190 with one td and one int. He had a few poor throws and a few poor decisions. He also had a kicker who failed to boost his team's chance at an upset, and even then the final on the road was a 13-7 loss. McCoy isn't the brightest bulb, but his take is indicative of the slop we should expect to hear about Love this year. Every minute detail will be scrutinized and used as the case to enshrine the guy or cut bait and draft a qb in 2024. Both cases will still be unfounded after 17 games this year.
As a Packer fan, it's only natural that the W/L record might be downplayed, as was the case when AR's first year resulted in 6-10. Most reasonable fans want to see JL improve over the course of the season, learn from mistakes, grow into the starting role as the springboard to becoming a reliable quality vet. It's fair to expect such a thing. And even though wins and losses play a factor, an investment of three plus years now cannot hinge solely on that.
When you consider ahead of time the spanking Love and GB will most certainly receive in Chicago to kick off the campaign, also keep in mind that the solidly entrenched starter in CHI, picked at 11 in the draft, has a sparkling record in his two years as a Bear of 5 wins against 20 losses. This includes early to midseason talk in 2022 of NFL MVP, which culminated in a torrid run of 10 straight losses to end the year.
Good on less than 60% of his passes completed, and a gaudy 24 tds vs 21 ints, Mr. Fields has set the standard for upstart Jordan Love. Avoid a finish of 10 straight losses or your ass is shipped south to the qb mecca still currently owned by your mentor now playing in NY. Going by such a standard requires Love to scrape out FOUR wins this season, something 30 of 32 teams were able to accomplish a year ago. Let's aim high.
@artis posted:Shady McCoy starts his take with the KC game saying it was "bad, real bad." So being thrust into a starting role unexpectedly in one of the toughest stadiums in the league, the kid went 19-34 for 190 with one td and one int. He had a few poor throws and a few poor decisions. He also had a kicker who failed to boost his team's chance at an upset, and even then the final on the road was a 13-7 loss.
Special teams straight up lost that game. It wasn't on Love. Consider:
- Mason misses a FG.
- Mason has a blocked FG.
- We muff a punt at our 10 yard line, KC recovers and and kicks an easy FG.
That's 9 points right there. That's the game.
Yes Love had an INT, but it didn't turn into any points for KC. If Love played "real bad", then so did Mahomes. Here's the stat lines for both players:
Love: 19/34, 190 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT
Mahomes: 20/37, 166 yds, 1 TD
Buy yeah Love "lost" us that game. Sure, Shady.
Slow Shady
That KC game has certainly developed into a Rorschach test for one's opinion of Love. Packers have effectively admitted they really don't know what they have in Love and time as the starter is the only thing that will provide the answer.
Would add the same thing is really true about his performance against the Eagles. Certainly provided a reason for optimism but beyond that really nothing.
@vitaflo posted:If Love played "real bad", then so did Mahomes. Here's the stat lines for both players:
Love: 19/34, 190 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT
Mahomes: 20/37, 166 yds, 1 TD
Wasn't that also about the time Mahomes/offense was having a rough spot and a bunch of people were claiming the league had figured them out? Moral of the story: even the best sometimes need patience.
Even I realize we don’t have enough info on Love. All we can do is speculate. My belief is that he will be IMMENSE! We shall see.
My hope is for IMMENSE. Realistically a I’ll be more than happy if he plays better than good for 10 or more years for the Pack. Be a solid, un injured every week QB that allows the team to avoid QB controversies and unnecessary draft reaches which will let the GM concentrate on the team, not the QB.
It will be a fun year.
Interesting piece by Albert Breer that includes some comments from MLF that I don't recall previously being reported (regrets over how he approached the Eagle game after the injury).
Great story. Thanks for posting
@vitaflo posted:No doubt if he looked like Brian Brohm he'd have been gone already. At the same time if he looked like Mahomes he would have been playing already. It was poorly kept secret that as a rookie Mahomes looked like...well, Mahomes. He looked so good in practice that the Chiefs had a hard time sitting him.
Most of Love's kudos come in the form of how he has his head on straight, is a great teammate, is a leader in the room, etc. Most of the actual play is talked about how he has a great arm and can throw off platform. But it's usually mixed with something about how he just needs to show more consistency, which is something every young player needs, but also something you would expect in someone going into year 4.
This I think is the odd thing about Love. He literally has all the intangibles that you want in a QB. The question has always been can he just play the game. Certainly he'll get a full season to prove himself, but it does seem like there's a lot of "hope" going around more than anything solid up to this point.
You hit on some good points there. If a QB is going to be good, he shows something in the first full year that has people talking. Very few QB's have gone from mediocre to poor QB's and have become great. So, this being Love's first year, I hope we see some flashes that he can become a great QB.
@Blair Kiel posted:Bears record vs. Packers since 1993 is 14-46 and L’il Kim is in here talking smack. 😀
He's just all puffy now that his owner has moved to NY.
@michiganjoe posted:Would add the same thing is really true about his performance against the Eagles. Certainly provided a reason for optimism but beyond that really nothing.
I think that's what makes this season so intriguing. Not having any expectations and not having a clue how it's going to turn out. That's a twist for us who for 2 decades have expected to reach the SB almost every season and have come away mostly disappointed.
@michiganjoe posted:The Moment the Packers Knew Jordan Love Was Ready to Take Over for Aaron Rodgers
Interesting piece by Albert Breer that includes some comments from MLF that I don't recall previously being reported (regrets over how he approached the Eagle game after the injury).
Long story that could have ended 10 paragraphs in, but thanks for posting it, I read it all. What I took away from it is Love will listen to MLF and run MLF's offense, which is the opposite of what AR became last year when he wanted to play McCarthy hero ball all season.
MLF's offense will make him successful.
As will our solid running backs
@michiganjoe posted:The Moment the Packers Knew Jordan Love Was Ready to Take Over for Aaron Rodgers
Interesting piece by Albert Breer that includes some comments from MLF that I don't recall previously being reported (regrets over how he approached the Eagle game after the injury).
What they don't tell you in that article is the incompletion before the Lazard catch that he mentioned was a drop by Jones that was probably Love's best throw of the night. Start at the 2:00 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkIONmDiN4E
@michiganjoe posted:The Moment the Packers Knew Jordan Love Was Ready to Take Over for Aaron Rodgers
Interesting piece by Albert Breer that includes some comments from MLF that I don't recall previously being reported (regrets over how he approached the Eagle game after the injury).
The difference between Favre’s response to a teammate and Rodgers is what may enable another 10-year quarterback run.
At practice, because Rodgers would be locked in when he was on the field, Love was a fly on the wall watching No. 12. When they got to the meeting room, the conversation would flow—and Love tried to be a sponge for information as best he could.
“He would see a play [on tape] and he would just be like, Hey J., this is what I was seeing on this, this is why I did this,” Love says. “Then, if I did something in practice, he’d be like, Hey, maybe think about this next time. He was always helping.”
And last year, Love’s ability to apply what Rodgers was giving him really started to show up.
That article also doesn't mention the poor performance by the defense.
40 points is a goddamned embarrassment.
@michiganjoe posted:The Moment the Packers Knew Jordan Love Was Ready to Take Over for Aaron Rodgers
Interesting piece by Albert Breer that includes some comments from MLF that I don't recall previously being reported (regrets over how he approached the Eagle game after the injury).
Great article. Thanks for posting.
@Timmy! posted:That article also doesn't mention the poor performance by the defense.
40 points is a goddamned embarrassment.
40 points is bad, but 363 yards rushing should have been grounds for terminating Barry after the season. It's the 16th most yards rushing given up by a defense on the ground in NFL history. There have been just over 17,000 NFL games in history.
Of the 15 performances worse than the Packers against the Eagles in terms of rushing defense last November, 9 of them occurred prior to 1966.
It's also not like the Packers haven't invested in getting talent on that side of the ball. It was a lot about scheme.
@PackerRick posted:What they don't tell you in that article is the incompletion before the Lazard catch that he mentioned was a drop by Jones that was probably Love's best throw of the night. Start at the 2:00 mark. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkIONmDiN4E
That throw was better than anything Aaron threw last year.
That throw was unreal. A QB cannot make the back-shoulder on the sideline any better. It's too bad Jones dropped it or more folks would be talking about it.
me thinks that we need to be expecting a rough go, either JL10 makes a wide throw, or one of the newbies drops it...either way, its an incompletion and maybe even an INT...just take a deep breath, its going to be fine, look for the signs...
@Fandame posted:That throw was unreal. A QB cannot make the back-shoulder on the sideline any better. It's too bad Jones dropped it or more folks would be talking about it.
I am not trying to be a critic or pessimist and am excited to see what Love can do, but..
I agree that was a good throw, but my impression of Love is that he throws behind receivers a lot so the back shoulder might have been more luck than skill. Re-watching that film I came away with a couple other thoughts, the Eagles were in a cover-2 almost prevent defense giving up the underneath. On the scramble/roll out, Lazard was the open receiver he should have thrown to.
Peter King has what I consider a pretty good interview with Bak where he discusses Loves presence and understanding the offense, varying snap cadence, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSw46hNdxpo
My impression from it is that Love has grown and matured to the point that he can competently run the offense, he obviously has a very good arm, but he will need to show accuracy and the ability to go through his progressions quickly to be a good QB. I hope he is.
Any QB in the NFL can make occasional great throws, the best can do it consistently. My hope is as the season goes on we see that progression. It’s likely to be ugly at times, especially early, and that’s okay. If it starts very ugly and stays that way, tbh, that’s okay too. It’s in between that would be disappointing.
@Herschel posted:Any QB in the NFL can make occasional great throws, the best can do it consistently. My hope is as the season goes on we see that progression. It’s likely to be ugly at times, especially early, and that’s okay. If it starts very ugly and stays that way, tbh, that’s okay too. It’s in between that would be disappointing.
J. Love may not have the Favre/Rodgers level arm, but I think it's obvious he has the physical skills to be an upper tier NFL QB. Some guys can never reach that level because they can't make certain throws (deep outs or having a strong enough arm to get it over the LBs to a TE in front of the safeties with enough velocity to get it there before the safeties can break on it). If you can't do those things, your ceiling is limited.
The knock on J. Love has always seemed to be poor decision making when he's pressured or when the play breaks down. He looked better in the pre-season last year, but still had a few of those Favrian moments where he makes some questionable decisions. I think he's likely to be at least competent if not very good making the throws he needs to make. His ceiling is going to be avoiding the mistakes under pressure. It's why KC kept sending the house against him in that game two years ago. He'll have to prove he can handle those situations. We won't know until he gets into the fire multiple times in 4th quarter pressure situations.
@GratefulPack posted:I am not trying to be a critic or pessimist and am excited to see what Love can do, but..
I agree that was a good throw, but my impression of Love is that he throws behind receivers a lot so the back shoulder might have been more luck than skill. Re-watching that film I came away with a couple other thoughts, the Eagles were in a cover-2 almost prevent defense giving up the underneath. On the scramble/roll out, Lazard was the open receiver he should have thrown to.
Peter King has what I consider a pretty good interview with Bak where he discusses Loves presence and understanding the offense, varying snap cadence, etc. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SSw46hNdxpo
My impression from it is that Love has grown and matured to the point that he can competently run the offense, he obviously has a very good arm, but he will need to show accuracy and the ability to go through his progressions quickly to be a good QB. I hope he is.
LOL, every good thing that kid does you lot come on here to tell us how he could have done it better. In this case, because the throw was so good it had to be “luck”. Nope, not trying to be pessimistic at all, right?😂😂😂
People like you were saying the same shit about Rodgers when he took over from Brett. That stopped when he shocked you all and won a Super Bowl. Love can expect the same treatment.
