R E L A X when he loses his first 2.
@ammo posted:R E L A X when he loses his first 2.
It will be week 18 before he loses his second. That’s what happens when you only play the first quarter before the coaches rest you.
Devante could have just said, "he's no Jay Cutler"
@Pakrz posted:Just beat the Bares kid... we'll go from there.
I always want to sweep the NFC North. This season, in Love's 1st year as our QB, I'd settle for sweeping the Bares and splitting with the Lions and the vikings. That would equate to winning one more game, in the North, than Rodgers did with this team, last season. BTW, I hate to lose to the vikings, ever, but for Love, it will be baby steps. Take the win, if it's there, but if it's not there, show us some potential, some promise and give us some hope. GO PACK, GO!!!
@Boris posted:A wise, championship coach once said.....
"Getting rid of a guy one year too soon is better than 1 year too late."
🖕🏼 Murphy🖕🏼😁
Charles Woodson says otherwise. I still wonder if he could have gotten them over the hump had they kept him. Yeah, he missed time his final year in Green Bay but he played well for three more and that's when TT's DB drafting really hit the shitter.
@H5 posted:I'm the serious looking one. And I know things.
Well, if other people knew what you know you would be in jail.
@Herschel posted:Charles Woodson says otherwise.
Woodson being let go had nothing to do with his ability to play. He "dared" go to HC (MM) and TT about Dom. That's why he was let go.
This was after the Kaepernick playoff debacle. Kaepernick should still be sending Dom Christmas Cards every year. 🙄
Had nothing to do with his play or age & it was idiotic the clear cut leader in the locker room had (rightfully so, like some of us) issues with the DC.
MM decided DOM was more important than Woodson and the rest is history.
@Boris posted:Woodson being let go had nothing to do with his ability to play. He "dared" go to HC (MM) and TT about Dom. That's why he was let go.
This was after the Kaepernick playoff debacle. Kaepernick should still be sending Dom Christmas Cards every year. 🙄
Had nothing to do with his play or age & it was idiotic the clear cut leader in the locker room had (rightfully so, like some of us) issues with the DC.
MM decided DOM was more important than Woodson and the rest is history.
That last sentence is pathetic.
Bettors don't like our chances.
@YATittle posted:Bettors don't like our chances.
Well, I hope they lose their shirts.
@YATittle posted:Bettors don't like our chances.
Just Believe!
Attachments
@YATittle posted:Bettors don't like our chances.
Only 2/1 to make the playoffs?!? Odds aren't THAT long. I was expecting like 10/1. They're 65/1 to win it all.
2/1 is not a good price
Reflects how bad they think the NFC North teams are.
Listening to a Love interview is in sharp contrast to the previous guy. Everything is about making others better. Making the young guys better.
The previous asshole loved to put the young’s down.
It's nice to hear in comparison to TOOG. Not to toss cold water or anything, but don't they all start out saying those things? It's what they become when they have some success or adversity, especially over time, that reveals who they really are.
Two old coaching axioms come to mind:
Sports don't build character, they reveal it.
Two most difficult things in life to deal with are 1. Failure 2. Success.
There was a (subtle) bit of duechiness to Favre and Rodgers even in those early days that I don't see/hear in Love.
Time will tell.
@H5 posted:There was a (subtle) bit of duechiness to Favre and Rodgers even in those early days that I don't see/hear in Love.
Time will tell.
More so with Aaron.
Duechy is duechy.
Hillbilly douche vs Cali douche.
Damn good QBs though.
Definitely hope J-Lo has enough "douche" in him to be a good QB
"Don't have to be a douche to be a good QB." - Bart Starr
From the GBP site yesterday:
"In a change from previous years, LaFleur has decided to call plays on the fly in the 11-on-11 practice periods, rather than have the playbook installations scripted in advance.
"It's a test to see 'how they think on their feet,' LaFleur said, but it can also produce some tough going offensively, especially with so many young players in the perimeter group surrounding Love.
"In other words, LaFleur did not set things up in these early OTAs to manufacture success and build confidence for Love and Green Bay's youthful offense. He's preferring to really challenge them instead, and his new quarterback is all for it."
I like this thinking on MLF's part. Don't make it easy to start just because they're rookies and/or young; toss out the challenges and make everyone think a little faster and reach a little more. Even though they said the practice wasn't super-smooth, it's better to start with trial-by-fire than a false sense of confidence/security.
Behind a paywall. Good food for thought observing Love this offseason:
From Schneidman and The Athletic
Packers will remain patient with new QB Jordan Love, so onlookers should too
There’s a reason Packers head coach Matt LaFleur was so quick to temper expectations ahead of the official start of the Jordan Love era earlier this offseason, even before Green Bay traded Aaron Rodgers.
LaFleur not only used that exact phrase — temper expectations — when cautioning everyone who might be expecting Hall of Fame play from Love right away, but he also specifically said not to expect the 24-year-old to resemble his predecessor from the jump.
There’s nothing wrong with what LaFleur said, no matter how Twitter reacted after he said it at the NFL owners’ meetings in Phoenix. That’s the reality, which is something we don’t usually get from head coaches, as they instead spew politically correct statements in front of a microphone so often. Anyone in their right mind understands that expecting Love to play like Rodgers this soon would be foolish. Even Rodgers wasn’t Aaron Rodgers when he took over for Brett Favre in 2008. What we see from Love in 2023, especially during his first May OTA practices as the full-time starter, likely doesn’t indicate what he’ll become.
What we saw from Love on Tuesday during the first full-team voluntary practice open to reporters was what the Packers have advertised publicly: He has the tools to succeed in his elevated role, but he’ll endure growing pains during such a seismic transition.
“I think there’s a lot of good things and there’s certainly a lot to clean up,” LaFleur said after Tuesday’s practice.
The undesirable during Love’s 11-on-11 work? Passes swatted near the line of scrimmage by cornerback Keisean Nixon coming off the edge and by defensive tackle T.J. Slaton over the middle. A wobbly, underthrown deep ball down the middle to wide receiver Christian Watson that fell incomplete amid three defensive backs. Another wobbler during a red-zone period intended for rookie tight end Luke Musgrave that was broken up by inside linebacker De’Vondre Campbell.
The exemplary? A perfectly lofted pass down the left sideline to running back AJ Dillon that would’ve been a touchdown had Dillon not dropped it. A dart through traffic to the back of the end zone for Watson with Nixon in coverage. Another bullet to receiver Romeo Doubs on an out for a 10-yard touchdown through tight coverage, and then another to wideout Samori Toure for a touchdown to cap the day after Slaton batted down his pass.
We also have to be careful critiquing or praising Love at this stage of the offseason too much either way because we don’t know exactly what LaFleur and the coaching staff are asking him to do on a given play. Now is the time for experimenting, perhaps even risk-taking that we wouldn’t see in games. Maybe LaFleur wants him to try a 50-50 deep shot to Toure to see how Love’s deep ball is looking or how Toure matches up in tight coverage deep downfield, even when, say, Musgrave might be wide open over the middle for a first down. If that pass to Toure falls incomplete, we think on the surface that it was a bad decision and Twitter explodes. Love is a bust, of course. In reality, Love might hit Musgrave without thinking twice in this hypothetical situation in a game.
“This is definitely the time to do that,” Love said. “Practice is the time to push the boundaries, test things.”
There can be more layers to plays in practice at this time of year and that’s important to remain cognizant of, especially in our age of hyper-reactive analysis on social media. (Ahem, I’ve been guilty of it at times.) The most important aspect of evaluating Love is to have patience — yes, I know that’s hard to do, especially for Packers fans spoiled by 30 years of Hall of Famers at quarterback — and try to look at a large body of work in practice rather than select plays (the ones listed above are just to provide a sample of what we saw during what seemed to be an up-and-down day, not to draw any grand conclusions). Ultimately, we must wait until preseason games and especially ones during the regular season to draw takeaways of substance.
Heck, we don’t even know how Love looked Monday because reporters weren’t allowed to watch.
“I think it’s still early right now,” Love said. “This is our first week practicing, starting live practicing against the defense. It’s not perfect right now. We know it’s not going to be perfect. I think the meter for us is continue building, make sure we’re doing the right things, in the right place on routes and route depth, timing, things like that. Building that trust to take from the meeting room to the field and make sure everything’s dialed in from that aspect.
“We love when we can capitalize and score touchdowns, but just don’t get down on ourselves when a play’s not perfect or it goes off schedule or things don’t work as we want.”
It’s not just Love that LaFleur and his staff will be attentive to this offseason, though the quarterback probably tops that list.
“Same thing we do every year with every other quarterback in terms of just the whole operation, the process, their ability to go out there and make great decisions, throw on time, throw with accuracy,” LaFleur said of evaluating Love. “Every play is dissected, I would say, and (we are) trying to be super intentional in what we ask them to do. We’ve got to see what everybody else around him can do as well. And we’ve got some youth, so it’s going to be a work in progress, no doubt about it, throughout the course of OTAs and training camp and, quite frankly, throughout the course of the season.”
That’s something else to consider when watching Love this offseason. It’s not like everyone around him knows every intricacy of the offense like Robert Tonyan, Marcedes Lewis, Davante Adams or Allen Lazard did. Yes, there’s vast experience in LaFleur’s system on the offensive line and at running back, but Love has more experience here than all the wide receivers and tight ends on the roster who figure to play substantial meaningful snaps this season. Bringing them along is important, too, and in some ways more important because they might have more to learn than Love, who has been here since 2020.
“I feel like it’s school again, taking another class,” rookie receiver Dontayvion Wicks said. “You’ve got to learn so much, so fast. And there’s a lot to learn. I think you really have to be a smart player to get everything down here with Green Bay.”
Like we saw last season with receivers running incorrect routes with Rodgers at quarterback, and those mistakes resulting in broken plays, it reflects poorly on the quarterback on the surface. But there’s more to some plays that we don’t realize at first and may never realize. Will Love have his faults, moments that make fans wonder whether he can actually be the guy for Green Bay, mistakes that will actually be his more than anyone else’s? Undoubtedly. But a fine-tooth comb might be required more often than not this offseason, especially when evaluating a quarterback who won’t cover up flaws around him like Rodgers could.
Just remember: Patience is a virtue, especially in this case, however difficult it may be.
This was a good article but not having the luxury of seeing the plays in question I am forced to presume 1) the bat by Nixon is a fact of the game 10 has to be ready for this tactic 2) The Wobblers concern me more as they are often t/o plays and why were they wobblers. Again 1st practices are for learning but hopefully it is not a mechanics issue - after 3 years these should be cleaned up by now- were they a O-line issue because people are in different positions that is another issue.
Like most young players the good is awesome the bad sometimes head scratching. Would really like to see how he performs after the 3rd install and how he brings his pups along. These are the relations that are career defining just think Nelson and Rodgers or Freeman and Favre!
Was anyone really shocked by him have a rough outing the first day? He's young, is suddenly "the guy" replacing a hall-of-famer and they're runnig drills in new ways with new guys and he hasn't had ten years of adjusting to things in the pros to easily or immediately acclimate to those curve balls.
Heck, he's still trying to get his own mechanics in decent shape.
I don't have any issues with players making mistakes early so long as everyone owns them and corrects for the next time the situation presents itself.
Have to admit I'm a little on guard for MLF having too much patience with the young guys this season, though. Patience is good, but a foot up someone's *** every now and again to command respect isn't a bad thing either. Holmgren could be mean in the good way and it got results. Make the standard attainable and clear, but don't lower expectations with 'they're young guys, they'll figure it out' platitudes if there's repeated mistakes. That won't fly.
Wilde is on a kick about Love's leadership style not being about getting after his team mates for mistakes in the way 12 would. I'm less interested in that than I am with MLF's approach to his staff. There's countless stories about how Holmgren could be a pri** and would get after his assistants if the players weren't performing up to expectations. It formed a bond between the players and their position coaches to produce results to keep the angry walrus at bay.
MLF seems to have a more collaborative, supportive approach. That may have been best when 12 was around demanding the team meet his standard, but I'm hoping MLF is a lot more assertive this year in what he expects from everyone up and down the food chain. He won't have 12 to get everyone in line anymore and it's best if 10 can concentrate on developing his own game without policing the effort of the other 52 players. Expectations should be high for the more veteran Oline, RB, and CB groups. The coaching should be hard for them and they should welcome it to set the tone for the rest of the team.
I'm also not interested in any last day of OTA field trips for team building this year. Let the players decide if they want to go bowling, shoot clays, or shoot each other with paint balls on their own. There's more work than time and they need to maximize as much on field and meeting room practice as the rules allow.
I know it's better for the overall health of the players the way practices are limited now, but I miss the old training camps with two-a-days. I might be remembering through rose colored glasses, but it seemed like back then players had the opportunity to make more progress in their development over the course of a camp and the coaches got a better gauge for each player's consistency.
Players could have a bad morning and make up for it in the afternoon. The players were fatigued, but there was also value in learning who could perform despite the exhaustion. Perseverance is an important trait to discover in a young player for the grind of an NFL season. Lower round picks had more time to display their desperation to keep their football dreams alive and more often than not it pushed the higher draft picks to perform to hold them off. The roster battles seemed better and would sometimes swing back and forth over the course of camp.
Lots of unknowns at this point…a big ask in todays world but just try to celebrate the wins, and not get too wound up with the losses. The bad news is we are breaking in a new starter. The good news is he’s not a rookie. He’s more ready than most first year starters.
Money is the root of all evil, especially in the game business of football.
The age of the million dollar players began a profound affect on roster spots, not to mention a head coach's authority.
It has only worsened since.
JMHO, others may vary.
Hot take...shockingly a quiet, unassuming kid like 10 will end up being another highly controversial figure in franchise history (through no fault of his own).
I've never seen such a division of people rooting so hard for a player to succeed on one side, and people rooting hard for his failure on the other.
And here I sit, on the fence, waiting for more data before I make a call...
