NFL GM and Coaching Carousel

@pkr_north posted:

quite a bit shocked still that MLF has not shit canned our ST coach...he's starting to scare me some.  keeps owning that he is making mistakes, but fix them and STOP making them, dammit...

Was listening to Mike Wahle this morning. Said he was surprised that MLF said in his press conference that they will have to take a look at playing more starters on ST and when you look around the league, many teams do. Said this should have been realized from day one of taking over the job and that it was common when he played for teams to start playing starters on STs late in the season when the games really mattered.

Vikes got their man ? 

@pkr_north posted:

quite a bit shocked still that MLF has not shit canned our ST coach...he's starting to scare me some.  keeps owning that he is making mistakes, but fix them and STOP making them, dammit...

Plenty of assistant coaches with far greater records of success have already been let go by other teams ... though the Packers season did end just 6 days ago.

Not worried that Drayton is going to survive, but am worried that legitimate STs Coordinators are being interviewed and hired elsewhere.

Much talk about how the CLASSY Packer organization would not want to embarrass a coach like Drayton by moving quickly to fire him.

How about accountability for embarrassing the entire organization on Saturday evening and moving swiftly to improve a long-standing organizational weakness?

Or, is there not really much urgency inside the Packer organization to improve STs ... just like the past 10-15 years?

@MichiganPacker posted:

One question would be whether Eric Bienemy interviews that poorly. It looks like you are from Colorado where he was a college player and eventually a coach. If Hackett can get a job based on what he's done, why can't Bienemy even get an interview?

Bienemy doesn't have the cleanest past, as he has been arrested and had some legal issues.  He has also reportedly had anger issues early in his coaching career that he may not be able to shake.  Hard to ignore how race factors in to these though, as we've seen plenty of white coaches buck these issues.   Don't want to derail this thread into a race discussion but hard to say it's not a factor in Bienemy not getting a head coaching job. 

I also think he's getting in that realm of "well if no one else hired him, should we?".  In the back of your mind, any GM has to ask themselves why he's been passed over so many times and has to influence their decision.  Kind of like how Sherm Lewis never got a shot in the 90s. 

Yes, perception becomes reality.

According to a source, #Packers QBs coach/passing game coordinator has an offer to become offensive coordinator under new #Bears coach Matt Eberflus. It's his job if he wants, a source said. Benefit over GB is that he could call plays.

— Tom Silverstein (@TomSilverstein) January 28, 2022

Potential brain drain from GB continues.

Saw a video from the 1971 playoffs. The Browns had Leroy Kelly returning punts and the Chiefs had Ed Podolak returning kickoffs. Many other big time NFL'ers playing ST's

@FLPACKER posted:

Was listening to Mike Wahle this morning. Said he was surprised that MLF said in his press conference that they will have to take a look at playing more starters on ST and when you look around the league, many teams do. Said this should have been realized from day one of taking over the job and that it was common when he played for teams to start playing starters on STs late in the season when the games really mattered.

Make Rodgers the gunner.

@MichiganPacker posted:

So Nathaniel Hackett doesn't call plays in Green Bay and they flame out two years in a row in the playoffs because they can't adjust their game plan mid-game? Does this mean MLF sucks that bad? If Hackett would have been in charge in would have been different?

I bring this up because Bienemy can't get a head job anywhere (so far) and the excuse is that he doesn't call the plays in Kansas City.

Sherm Lewis disease.

@MichiganPacker posted:

Given the weather and the fact they were facing Jimmy G, the only way the Niners were going to win was if the Packers gave away the game by making mistakes. They were making sure it didn't happen on offense.

Problem is they were still turtled up after the punt block TD and certainly on their last possession.  At that point there has to be some urgency and greater risks taken.  I guess they may have thought the D was going to hold on until OT but that's just another symptom.

@Henry posted:

Make Rodgers the gunner.

Bad toe

Interesting. Not especially encouraging.

@RapSheet: The #Packers interviewed #Chargers TEs coach Kevin Koger and are expected to interview #Eagles QB coach Brian Johnson for their vacant OC job, sources say. Luke Getsy and Adam Stenavich are the top in-house candidates.

The #Broncos will also interview Kevin Koger for their vacant OC job, source said. Makes sense, same system.

(Koger was in GB as offensive quality control coach in 2019 & 2020.)

@Packiderm posted:

Saw a video from the 1971 playoffs. The Browns had Leroy Kelly returning punts and the Chiefs had Ed Podolak returning kickoffs. Many other big time NFL'ers playing ST's

As recently as 2010, the Packers had a starting CB (and Pro-Bowler) as the full time punt returner throughout the regular season and the playoffs (Tramon WIlliams).

Curious for sure.  Both Getsy and Steno ready to pack their bags?

@ilcuqui posted:

Interesting. Not especially encouraging.

@RapSheet: The #Packers interviewed #Chargers TEs coach Kevin Koger and are expected to interview #Eagles QB coach Brian Johnson for their vacant OC job, sources say. Luke Getsy and Adam Stenavich are the top in-house candidates.

(Koger was in GB as offensive quality control coach in 2019 & 2020.)

Wait. What?

So, the Packers didn't bother to interview an external candidate for special teams coaches last year but are interviewing external OC candidates this year?

Maybe they've learned something?

The clear choice is Bert Favre for OC. If Arod leaves Bert can play QB and we follow HOFer w HOFer and HOFer. It’s a win win win.

@DH13 posted:

Problem is they were still turtled up after the punt block TD and certainly on their last possession.  At that point there has to be some urgency and greater risks taken.  I guess they may have thought the D was going to hold on until OT but that's just another symptom.

I don't think they really changed anything in terms of their approach. They just didn't move the ball enough on 1st and 2nd down to get into favorable situations. They weren't effective on 3rd and long at any point in the game because the pass protection was terrible and/or Rodgers held the ball or locked onto Adams.

On their first two drives (the TD and the Lewis fumble - they never faced a 3rd down)

For the game, the Packers had 3rd and 6 or more 7 times (3rd and 6, 8, 8, 8, 10, 11, and 11).  The Packers were 0 for 7 on those conversions and Rodgers got sacked 3 times.

The Packers had 3rd and 5 or less 5 times (3rd and 5, 4, 3, 1, and 1).  The converted all 5 times.

Basically, if there was any threat of a run, the Packers were fine. As soon as they got into obvious passing situations, they were toast.

@ilcuqui posted:

Interesting. Not especially encouraging.

@RapSheet: The #Packers interviewed #Chargers TEs coach Kevin Koger and are expected to interview #Eagles QB coach Brian Johnson for their vacant OC job, sources say. Luke Getsy and Adam Stenavich are the top in-house candidates.

The #Broncos will also interview Kevin Koger for their vacant OC job, source said. Makes sense, same system.

(Koger was in GB as offensive quality control coach in 2019 & 2020.)

Some more context.

@PackersNotes: Both Koger and Johnson are good young coaches, but just remember, #Packers are required to interview minority candidates before hiring a new coordinator.

@Henry posted:

Curious for sure.  Both Getsy and Steno ready to pack their bags?

You'd think that making a lateral move to be an offensive coordinator with a team playing Justin Fields would not be the most effective route to eventually being a head coach.

If Rodgers stays, you are guaranteed to look good calling plays in the regular season.

If Love starts next year and can function at all, you'd get credit for helping develop a young QB.

@MichiganPacker posted:

I don't think they really changed anything in terms of their approach. They just didn't move the ball enough on 1st and 2nd down to get into favorable situations. They weren't effective on 3rd and long at any point in the game because the pass protection was terrible and/or Rodgers held the ball or locked onto Adams.

On their first two drives (the TD and the Lewis fumble - they never faced a 3rd down)

For the game, the Packers had 3rd and 6 or more 7 times (3rd and 6, 8, 8, 8, 10, 11, and 11).  The Packers were 0 for 7 on those conversions and Rodgers got sacked 3 times.

The Packers had 3rd and 5 or less 5 times (3rd and 5, 4, 3, 1, and 1).  The converted all 5 times.

Basically, if there was any threat of a run, the Packers were fine. As soon as they got into obvious passing situations, they were toast.

I think we can credit the Niners a bit also.  They were down7,  looking like it would soon be at least 10.  The then fumble,  it seemed to me that gave their D a breather, and a chance to fix what ailed them.

@MichiganPacker posted:

You'd think that making a lateral move to be an offensive coordinator with a team playing Justin Fields would not be the most effective route to eventually being a head coach.

If Rodgers stays, you are guaranteed to look good calling plays in the regular season.

If Love starts next year and can function at all, you'd get credit for helping develop a young QB.

First of all, calling the plays in Chicago and not calling plays in GB is a significant, material difference in responsibilities.

Second, Steno & Getsy have had 2 years to get a good, long look at Love.

Got to hope that they are not abandoning what they perceive to be a sinking Love Boat.

@MichiganPacker posted:

On their first two drives (the TD and the Lewis fumble - they never faced a 3rd down)

This kind of proves my point.  Never needed 3rd down.

They couldn't possibly have planned on throwing exclusively to 17 all game.  MLF had to know 12 could go to 17 until SF stopped them.  Worked up until the fumble.  Then they went super conservative.  Not to mention all the low throws the rest of the game.  They were terrified of the big mistake and took no risks until the prayer to 17 to end their season.

Where was all the MLF staples and pre-snap motion?  You could have sworn MM was standing on the sideline wearing a MLF costume.  In really tight Spanx.

@Fandame posted:

Yeah, but I think Rodgers isn't really playing the way MLF wants him to, especially in the postseason. I can't see a guy like MLF, who schemes different guys open, wanting to force the ball to Adams as much as Rodgers tries to. As the season went on, Rodgers seemed to look for Adams more and more without considering his other receivers.

Against SF, Rodgers got tunnel vision for 17 and 33. Evidence? Adams had 11 targets, Jones 10, Dafney 2, Lazard 1 Deguara 1, Cobb 1, Lewis 1. If Rodgers is basically going to ignore five guys and only target two, so will the defense.

Only two of those five are worth a shit as receivers (considering Cobb was hurt).

Jerry Jones claimed Dan Quinn turned down a head coach job to remain as Cowdoys DC.   I find this hard to believe since he was once head coach with the Falcons.   Quinn interviewed with the Denver Broncos, Chicago Bears, New York Giants, Minnesota Vikings and Miami Dolphins. He turned down a chance to interview with the Jacksonville Jaguars. 

@DH13 posted:

Where was all the MLF staples and pre-snap motion?  You could have sworn MM was standing on the sideline wearing a MLF costume.

Dougherty mentioned that in one of his chats and attributed it to all the injuries, particularly Cobb.  Also said Amari wasn't worth a shit so that hamstrung them with Cobb's limited abilities. 

@RapSheet: Sources: The #Giants are working to hire #Bills OC Brian Daboll as their new head coach. The two sides will attempt to do a deal and reunite him with old friend and new NYG GM Joe Schoen.

@Henry posted:

Dougherty mentioned that in one of his chats and attributed it to all the injuries, particularly Cobb.  Also said Amari wasn't worth a shit so that hamstrung them with Cobb's limited abilities.

They did plenty of it last year without Cobb and this year while Cobb was in the tub.  I think they were using Lazard and EQ for that.  F!

So they go hero ball with AR waiting for receivers to get open while holding the ball?  This really isn't good for my health.

@mikeklis: Per source, Packers aren’t letting OL coach Adam Stenavich interview for Broncos OC job. Would think he might get OC job with the Pack. Interviewing coordinators a lil more involved process with league policies. Hackett, who will call plays, has other options.

@TomSilverstein: With Getsy possibly headed to the #Bears, LaFleur makes sure OL coach / passing game coordinator Adam Stenavich stays in Green Bay.

@AlbertBreer: With Stenavich likely to be promoted to OC in Green Bay, Packers TEs coach Justin Outten would be one name to watch for the Broncos OC job.

I remember seeing the first snap on offense and noticing, 1. Bakhtiari wasn't at LT. and 2. Kelly was at LT.

I thought "oh shit, guess plan A didn't work out.........where the fuck is Yosh?"

So I thought, OK, they know what they're doing.  Let's see how this goes.  They drive down the field with 17 and all is hunky dory.  Then start driving again on the second possession.  Big Benzo coughs it up and the whole thing derails. 

@DH13 posted:

They did plenty of it last year without Cobb and this year while Cobb was in the tub.  I think they were using Lazard and EQ for that.  F!

So they go hero ball with AR waiting for Adams to get open while holding the ball?  This really isn't good for my health.

@ammo posted:

Jerry Jones claimed Dan Quinn turned down a head coach job to remain as Cowdoys DC.   I find this hard to believe since he was once head coach with the Falcons.   Quinn interviewed with the Denver Broncos, Chicago Bears, New York Giants, Minnesota Vikings and Miami Dolphins. He turned down a chance to interview with the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Who would want to coach those shit teams? Maybe he is tired of the long hours required to be Head Coach. I'm sure Jerry pays him well.

I wouldn’t be shocked if Quinn took his name out if the running for those jobs. It’s  probably his last shot at being a head coach so he should be picky. If I were Quinn, I wouldn’t take a job without a QB. He fails in his second stint as head coach and he’s a DC for life.

You want 12 back well, go get Alex Van Pelt

How ya gonna get AVP when he's already an OC?

And Stena being denied a Denver interview makes him as OC fait accompli, non?

Or is Monsieur LaFleur bullshitting about never standing in the way of an assistant moving up in the NFL world? Like sure, I will not deny such a, how you say, opportunity. Bien sûr, I never said le Gute would not... how you also say... shut that shit down.

@Henry posted:

Dougherty mentioned that in one of his chats and attributed it to all the injuries, particularly Cobb.  Also said Amari wasn't worth a shit so that hamstrung them with Cobb's limited abilities.

4 catches, 45 yards for the season. Well below average on returns.

They gave up a 4th rounder to move up 7 spots in the third round to take him.

In the future, I think Gutey should just never make another pick in that round. Gutey drafted from 2018-21.

2021 - Amari Rodgers

2020 - Josh DeGuara

2019 - Jace Sternberger

2018 - Oren Burks

Even before that it was bad

2017 - Montravius Adams

2016- Kyler Fackrell

2015 - Ty Montgomery

2014 - Kyri Thornton

2013 - no pick

2012 - no pick

2011 - Alex Green

Crazy too when you see how well Wolf did in the third.

I still have hope for Amari. Maybe it clicks in year two.

@CUPackFan posted:

I wouldn’t be shocked if Quinn took his name out if the running for those jobs. It’s  probably his last shot at being a head coach so he should be picky. If I were Quinn, I wouldn’t take a job without a QB. He fails in his second stint as head coach and he’s a DC for life.

If he stays in Dallas he is a DC for life anyway.  If Sean Payton wants to get back into coaching you know Jerry will get him in Dallas in a minute.

When Quinn was in Atlanta, he always seemed 'lost' to me.

Of course, they had a big season in 2016, going to the Superb Owl, and eventually choking so bad the Vikings would've been proud...
They did make the playoffs again in 2017 (barely), and did win a wild card-round game, but that's as far as they went.
For the next 3 seasons, he went into a death spiral that he couldn't recover from.

He had some bad luck with injuries, but for a guy who was a defensive specialist, his defenses were crap, and he had no idea how to coach offense.
He may be the kind of guy that excels in a coordinator role, but isn't suited to be a head coach.

And there’s nothing wrong with that…know your lane, and stay in it

@TomSilverstein:  Hearing after #Broncos were unable to hire Adam Stenavich from #Packers, they went after WR coach Jason Vrable. But he won’t be going either and is possibly LaFleur’s passing game coordinator assuming Getsy leaves for #Bears. Hackett may have eye on TEs coach Justin Outten now.