Ervin has been my sleeper all along. Another guy I like is Green from TCU
After his combine I don't think he's a sleeper any longer, he's a legit receiving threat out of the backfield.
What the hell does Crockett have to say about this?
While I love Crockett's effort, he just is not as fast as these guys, which IMHO, is what we need more of on offense. We definitely had the slowest offense in the NFL last season.
There was a stat posted last September of the fastest rosters based on the combined 40 times for all 32 NFL teams. The Packers roster ranked tied for 5th fastest with a collective roster 40 time of 4.713 seconds.
If GB has little team speed on defense. And we have been given definitive proof that GB definitely has the NFLs slowest offense. The 40 time stat study can only mean one of two things.
1. The BFI index for 2015 hit rock bottom. A lot of fast people weren't in any damn hurry to get anywhere as fast as we know they could have. I blame Dom because of his laid back demeanor.
2. Ginger and Crosby are by far the fasted K/P duo in football and it's not remotely close. I subscribe to this theory and will now refer to them collectively as "Souless white lightning"
It could also mean that 40 times are irrelevant but there's not enough data to support this given that 40 times were used in the study.
Bakhtiari is a secret sprinter.
There is an excellent chance that Ted goes RB much earlier than people are expecting. Put yourself in his shoes. There is only one proven running back on the roster now and that guy didn't exactly have a great year in 2015. Just that alone makes it a significant need area. Then look down the road. If Lacy has a big year, would you want to give him a big contract after what the team got out of him in 2015?
ChilliJon posted:There was a stat posted last September of the fastest rosters based on the combined 40 times for all 32 NFL teams. The Packers roster ranked tied for 5th fastest with a collective roster 40 time of 4.713 seconds.
If GB has little team speed on defense. And we have been given definitive proof that GB definitely has the NFLs slowest offense. The 40 time stat study can only mean one of two things.
1. The BFI index for 2015 hit rock bottom. A lot of fast people weren't in any damn hurry to get anywhere as fast as we know they could have. I blame Dom because of his laid back demeanor.
2. Ginger and Crosby are by far the fasted K/P duo in football and it's not remotely close. I subscribe to this theory and will now refer to them collectively as "Souless white lightning"
It could also mean that 40 times are irrelevant but there's not enough data to support this given that 40 times were used in the study.
Obviously the problem is that Janis's 40 time is so incredibly fast it pulls the average down...but alas...we don't play him.
His 40 time to the meeting room is factored in. He's been his own roadblock.
It was reported last season that after Nelson & Monty went out, out receiving corp was the second slowest, next to Patriots. With Lacy as our primary RB, we had to have the slowest skill position offensive personnel the league.
PackerJoe posted:There is an excellent chance that Ted goes RB much earlier than people are expecting. Put yourself in his shoes. There is only one proven running back on the roster now and that guy didn't exactly have a great year in 2015. Just that alone makes it a significant need area. Then look down the road. If Lacy has a big year, would you want to give him a big contract after what the team got out of him in 2015?
Not exactly a banner year for RBs in this draft though. He covets value above all else, I can't see him looking at this group of RBs, outside of Elliot in r1 or Henry in r2, and think he's getting any real value before r4.
Agree, that is how it has played out in every mock I've done. As you've said, look for a speedy, "third down" type of back in the 4th+ round. The comp picks are a blessing.
FLPACKER posted:
DH13 posted:Odds are that BPA at P27 will be a DL.
yes, but another way of thinking is that we could get a Dlineman in the second & third rounds almost as good as the ones available at pick #27, but could not do the same with other positions (such as OT).
OL is a need as much as DL
PackerJoe posted:There is an excellent chance that Ted goes RB much earlier than people are expecting. Put yourself in his shoes. There is only one proven running back on the roster now and that guy didn't exactly have a great year in 2015. Just that alone makes it a significant need area. Then look down the road. If Lacy has a big year, would you want to give him a big contract after what the team got out of him in 2015?
OL is more of a need than any RB.
Herschel posted:I'm not in love with any of the backs this year outside of Elliott, tbh. If they're going to spend a Day 2 pick, the guy I like best is CJ Prosise out of Notre Dame (I feel dirty plugging a domer). He's a 6' 225#+ back so he has the size they seem to like, he has speed, he catches the ball well, and plays special teams.
He's raw as heck as a between-the-tackles runner, though.
Prosise is a guy who has played safety, WR, and now RB on consecutive years because of team needs. And it can be argued he has done well enough at each of those positions. In doing so he also knowingly sacrificed any draft impact he may have generated - the definition of a team first guy. No question (in my mind anyway) that he has tools. He is also intelligent enough to pick up those positions and contribute the same year. He would be on my shopping list as either a late round pick or undrafted free agent.
Henry posted:OL is a need as much as DL
Ideally you'd like your top draft choice to get on the field. If you draft on olineman, it would appear that the only place they would have a chance to start is LT. If that happens does Bak then become the utility guy, waiting for Bulaga, or one of the guards to get hurt? The attractiveness of drafting Dline / WR / DB / LB with the first is that they are "rotational" positions in which a number of players are able to get snaps & there is opportunity to immediately get on the field.
If Lacy comes to camp in shape and has a productive season, I find it hard to believe Thompson won't reward him with a nice contract. Completely against his mo.
Ted will go on the hunt for the next Ryan Grant before he spends big money on a RB
He also used a 2nd rounder on Lacy.
Another alternative to spending big money on a running back
FLPACKER posted:Henry posted:OL is a need as much as DL
Ideally you'd like your top draft choice to get on the field. If you draft on olineman, it would appear that the only place they would have a chance to start is LT. If that happens does Bak then become the utility guy, waiting for Bulaga, or one of the guards to get hurt? The attractiveness of drafting Dline / WR / DB / LB with the first is that they are "rotational" positions in which a number of players are able to get snaps & there is opportunity to immediately get on the field.
The likelihood of a rookie getting on the field at either T position is pretty high and there are plenty of contracts coming up. A rookie playing as depth for year instead of the likes Barclay, etc isn't a bad thing.
Good points, Conklin & Spriggs look like an upgrade over Bak.
And a guy like Haeg (in the middle rounds) really needs a year to develop. OGs, even very good ones, are rarely first-round picks to play that position, but guys they think might make it at tackle but move inside later are.
PackerJoe posted:There is an excellent chance that Ted goes RB much earlier than people are expecting. Put yourself in his shoes. There is only one proven running back on the roster now and that guy didn't exactly have a great year in 2015. Just that alone makes it a significant need area. Then look down the road. If Lacy has a big year, would you want to give him a big contract after what the team got out of him in 2015?
I think this year is the classic year we go Wow TT went RB in the first round. It could be a guy who is faster and in shape (looking at you Eddie) and would be insurance in case Eddie shows up in sloppy shape again. I for one wouldn't be in the least bit shocked if he went WR high either. My prediction on draft day is he passed on Ragland, trades down and takes an offensive player.
Considering Raji is gone and there was a need for some infusion on the Dline anyways I think it'll end up with the old adage of you win in the trenches. OL or DL best available is my bet. I just don't see Uncle Tranny Ted taking ILB in the first unless the guy is a monster.
PFF RB ranks by draft round (for what it's worth)
I don't think Elliott falls so eliminates a back in round one. I'd be pretty surprised if TT went RB in round two but isn't out of the question.
I don't see TT tagging a WR, RB or TE at P27.
@PackerReport: Talked to a scout who said he'd never seen a tight end class as bad as this one. No one worthy of a first-round pick.
TT will do what TT always does....
Draft Best Player Available & improve the Packers. PERIOD.
Potential lineman incoming in round 1 (Offense OR defense)
NFL.com gives draft profiles & grades on each player. 38 players have a grade of 6.0 and above...13 of them are defensive lineman. Particularly weak positions appear to be TE (Hunter only player with a 6+ grade), safety (zero with a 6+ rating), WR, RB, & CB all have only three players with that rating.
Always best to find the best slob to cause havoc or open a lane. Always be great inside out.
cuqui posted:@PackerReport: Talked to a scout who said he'd never seen a tight end class as bad as this one. No one worthy of a first-round pick.
One potential TE project for later in the draft is Devon Cajuste from Stanford. Played WR during his career but really has the build of a TE. Just ran a 4.45 at his pro day.
7th round gem
PackerJoe posted:...If Lacy has a big year, would you want to give him a big contract after what the team got out of him in 2015?
Hell yes!
I may be in the minority, but after years of "Pookie", "Whisper", Darrell Thompson, and failed Eric Dickerson trades, I don't want the Packers to be searching for a RB every year for the next 20 or so years.
I'd never say to ignore or overlook potential draft picks, but I just don't see it as a position of great need.
Lacy also posted back to back 1000+ yard seasons with no sign of issues prior to 2015. If he has a big season in 2016 then that will be 3 big seasons in 4 years, how is that NOT worth a solid contract?
Solid contract ? Yes. Break the bank? No
How much china food can one big NFL contract buy? A LOT OF IT
Mock 2.0
ROUND 1
Jarran Reed/NT/Alabama
6â3â/310 lbs.
-Dominant run stuffing NT with the perfect combination of strength and athleticism. Doesnât get moved off the line, stifles double teams, and plugs gaps better than any player in the draft. Lacks pass rush threat at this point, but will easily be the best value at #27.
ROUND 2
Antonio Morrison/LB/Florida
6â1â/230 lbs.
-Wildly aggressive, hard hitting football player who plays fast and doesnât miss tackles. Some injury questions knock him down, but when heâs healthy heâs a force at ILB.
ROUND 3
Austin Hooper/TE/Stanford
6â4â/250 lbs.
-Versatile, athletic receiving threat with great hands and can get up field in a hurry. Lacks power and needs work as a blocker, but looks like a reliable receiving threat that can play multiple positions.
ROUND 4
Evan Boehm/C/Missouri
6â2â/310 lbs.
-Versatile and reliable interior OL who has the combination of smarts, attitude, and power to be a starting interior OL.
ROUND 4 (COMPENSATORY PICK)
Caleb Benenoch/OL/UCLA
6â5â/305 lbs.
-Athletic player with experience at Tackle and Guard who projects at either position. Still a project, but the upside is a starting caliber player anywhere on the OL.
ROUND 4 (COMPENSATORY PICK)
Ronald Blair/DE/Appalachian St.
6â2â/285 lbs.
-My favorite player in the draft. Tough, athletic pass rushing DL who projects all over the line. Flashes dominant ability to beat OL with speed or power. Just a really good football player who doesnât have a true position, but could probably play anywhere.
ROUND 5
Cleveland Wallace III/CB/San Jose St.
5â11â/185 lbs.
-Instinctive ball hawking Nickelback with great feet and hips. On the small side and still improving as a tackler, but reminds me of Tramon Williams.
ROUND 6
Tyrone Holmes/OLB/Montana
6â2â/250 lbs.
-Big, physical pass rusher who dominated his level of competition. Has the raw power to push Tackles out of the way and get to the QB.
ROUND 7
Steven Daniels/LB/Boston College
5â11â/240 lbs.
-Undersized but highly instinctive and aggressive football player who is great against the run. Throwback kind of LB who doesnât seem to mind contact or doing dirty work.