Agree, the highest I've found him on anyone's board is #145. He is #285 on CBS board
Grave Digger posted:Mock 2.0
ROUND 1
Jarran Reed/NT/Alabama
ROUND 2
Antonio Morrison/LB/Florida
6â1â/230 lbs.
ROUND 3
Austin Hooper/TE/Stanford
6â4â/250 lbs.
ROUND 4
Evan Boehm/C/Missouri
6â2â/310 lbs.
-
ROUND 4 (COMPENSATORY PICK)
Caleb Benenoch/OL/UCLA
6â5â/305 lbs.
L.
ROUND 4 (COMPENSATORY PICK)
Ronald Blair/DE/Appalachian St.
6â2â/285 lbs.
ROUND 5
Cleveland Wallace III/CB/San Jose St.
5â11â/185 lbs.
Tyrone Holmes/OLB/Montana
6â2â/250 lbs.
-.
ROUND 7
Steven Daniels/LB/Boston College
5â11â/240 lbs.
Nailed everyone of my consensus picks.
Morrison is a top 60 pick IMO. Some draft sites haven't moved him up boards because he hasn't tested yet (DNP Combine). His big question marks are with the medical checks, if he doesn't pass then I could see him fall, but the tape says 3rd rounder at the very least.
Are the wonderlic scores in yet?
Heard an interview during combine with the CEO of the company that administers the Wonderlic. He said that the results are confidentially given to the NFL, who then distributes them to teams. The scores only get out to the public by team's leaking them. I'm sure team's do this to either justify a choice, or justify not drafting a guy. So I imagine we will hear about some guys scores closer to / during / shortly after the draft. Here is an article about it that mentions McGinn; http://profootballtalk.nbcspor...-are-getting-leaked/
Florio throwing a fit over the validity of the Wonderlic because better reporters have sources that will give them the scores.
Hmmm, before the NBC gig when Pro Football Talk was an upstart, would Florio have sat on the Wonderlic results if he had access to them? Not a chance in hell.
Here is my latest mock, using CBS Sports Board on Fanspeak simulator;
27: R1P27
DE EMMANUEL OGBAH
OKLAHOMA STATE- Explosive pass rusher who may be early on only used in pass situations. Groom him to be Peppers replacement
57: R2P26
ILBER JOSHUA PERRY
OHIO STATE- Good football player who played both outside & inside at OSU. While some question his athleticism to play in space, but performed well at combine. Good tackler who only had one broken tackle in his last two seasons. Many feel we need a lighter, "cover" ILBER, however, we were ranked very high in all pass defense categories, but one of worst in league in giving up long runs. I'd like to see a "tackler" drafted.
88: R3P25
TE AUSTIN HOOPER
STANFORD - Perhaps not the "burner" some crave, Hooper looks like the 2nd best TE in the draft and good value for the third round. I could see him getting some snaps immediately.
126: R4P27
OT WILLIE BEAVERS
WESTERN MICHIGAN- More of a "project", coukd use at least a year to get stronger, but athletic enough to play almost every o-line position.
132: R4P33
RB TYLER ERVIN
SAN JOSE STATE- Explosive "flanker-type", back who has great vision & burst. Perfect compliment to Lacy & Starks. Question will be if he will be able to pass block.
138: R4P39
S DEANDRE HOUSTON-CARSON
WILLIAM & MARY- This kid intrigues me. Smart, team captain, he ran a 4.54 at combine which was in top 5 (although a very weak class). Tough, could play on STs early.
164: R5P24
DT WILLIE HENRY
MICHIGAN- Some people have this guy a lot higher, so very questionable that he'd be there this late. Potential starter, athletic, just urning 21 so has some ceiling to add strength. A steal if still available here.
201: R6P25
G JOE DAHL
WASHINGTON STATE- Played OT in college, but showed at Senior Bowl practices that he was over-matched vs. pass rushers on the outside. More suited for guard, project that won't play right away.
249: R7P27
P DREW KASER
TEXAS A&M- Masthay has struggled, all we need to know.
Leonard Floyd had a 4.32 short shuttle (would have tied for 9th out of 21 linebackers at the combine) at a 7.18 3-cone (would have been 12th out of 17 linebackers at the combine) at the Georgia pro day. Weighed in at 248. Not horrible but nothing special either. Brandt's reporting that Floyd was suffering from food poisoning.
Kenny Clark did a 7.73 3-cone at the UCLA pro day. That would have rated 4th among 15 300+ pound defensive linemen at the combine. I am not a big fan of Clark, but he definitely passed the workout test and is a definite consideration at #27.
Carl Nassib was worked out on the defensive line and at linebacker during the Penn State pro day. If a 3-4 team grabs him it will probably be as a linebacker.
Willie Beavers had a 4.75 short shuttle time (was 4.71 at the combine) and a 7.75 3-cone time (was 7.96 at the combine). Both numbers are pretty much average for offensive linemen.
Nick Vannett ran the 40 in 4.85 and 4.9 seconds at the Ohio State pro day. He didn't do anything at the combine. For reference, Joey Bosa ran the 40 in 4.77 and 4.82 seconds at the Ohio State pro day and ran the 40 in 4.86 seconds at the combine. Looks like most of the players ran a bit better at Ohio State but some were just the same. Looks like Vannett is a 4.9 guy and best guess is Thompson will stick a fourth or fifth round grade on him.
Joshua Perry had a 4.43 short shuttle (would have been 12th out of 21 linebackers at the combine) and a 7.24 3-cone (would have been 14th out of 17 linebackers). He did weight in at 255 pounds (254 at combine), which makes him the heaviest of the ILB prospects who appeared at the combine. I'd say a bit disappointing, it would be interesting to find out how teams evaluate those numbers when factoring in his size.
PackerJoe posted:GO Badgers!
I like the symmetry...and it definitely plugs some holes....lose a BJ and gain a Beaver. 
I actually think Vannett hurt himself tremendously with those average workout numbers. His appeal is all about potential...great size, underused, could be a steal with underrated athleticism. If he doesn't have that athleticism though, its more likely he wasn't underused, but wasn't speedy enough to be a factor at TE. I'm thinking he dropped himself down to a late round prospect.
Willie Beavers or bust.
Harry Beavers.
| Great article on predicting success based on combine numbers from Harvard Sports Analysis site. Conclusions A linear model on combine data can significantly predict future NFL success, except for WRs. The forty, weight, and 3 cone drill are the overall most important measurements, although there is variation across positions. The bench press is the least important. A decent improvement at the combine wonât take you from 3rd string to super star, but it could take you from 2nd string to starter, starter to pro bowl, etc. http://harvardsportsanalysis.o...ally-matters-part-2/ |
Beavers may have a propensity for getting pounded inside. I mean between the tackles.
Hate to see a lineman that open to penetration.
Too angry.
EC Pack posted:Harry Beavers.
Politely groomed please.
Preferable to Harry Colon.
Florida pro day today. Two players of particular interest. ILB-Antonio Morrison skipped the combine altogether. TE-Jake McGee was at the combine but only did the bench press. Will also be interested to see if S-Keanu Neal and RB-Kelvin Taylor can improve on some of the numbers they posted in Indy. Some solid candidates for the Packers in this group.
I think they said Morrison had an illness, but yeah I'm eager to see his workout numbers. Make or break day for him.
Johnathan Bullard also an intriguing UF prospect. Offers some versatility along the defensive front. Played on the edge and inside at Florida.
Grave Digger posted:I think they said Morrison had an illness, but yeah I'm eager to see his workout numbers. Make or break day for him.
Looks like he still isn't healthy & did not look good.
tough break for him. hopefully he gets better soon.
PFF Scouting Report on Hunter Henry - I'd be happy if TT figured out a way to get Henry without using his first round pick.
In looking at Florida DL Jonathan Bullard, he's very similar to Datone Jones in terms of measurements. I got the sense that the Packers originally wanted Jones to be an effective run stopping 5 tech and be able to slide down as a 3 tech in passing situations. Despite his size he seemed to be miscast in that role IMO. Bullard is known as more of a run stuffer than a pass rusher at this point, so perhaps they again look for the type of player they hoped Jones would be in Bullard? His value is about right at 27 and would probably step in and contribute immediately. He's a really good player IMO, great intensity and effort.
That's some football pedigree right there.
Too fast to be a Patriot WR.
White enough to be a Patriot WR.
I Ran BK's post through Google Translate. Patriot to English.
"40 time was inflated"
Damn I'd take a McCaffrey in a heartbeat. Athleticism plus pedigree minus off-field issues tends to equals near can't-miss productive NFL career.
I've seen the Alabama DT's mocked to the Packers quite a bit lately: A'Shawn Robinson and Jarran Reed. I've actually seen these two all over the first round, from #10 down to #31. Both seem to be top-notch run defenders but lacking in pass rush.
Kenny Clark if Ragland is gone. Kenny is a run defending slob. Former wrestling champ. Crazy violent athlete. He'll never get sacks. But he'll draw OL attention. He's going to be a good one.
Who's Combine time was better: Jordy or McAffrey ??? (the White Guy metric)
ChilliJon posted:Kenny Clark if Ragland is gone. Kenny is a run defending slob. Former wrestling champ. Crazy violent athlete. He'll never get sacks. But he'll draw OL attention. He's going to be a good one.
So many good defensive lineman in this draft that I wonder if TT will draft a position that he historically has not appeared to value as highly in first round, thinking he can get a d-lineman almost as good in the 2nd - 3rd rounds?
Grave Digger posted:In looking at Florida DL Jonathan Bullard, he's very similar to Datone Jones in terms of measurements. I got the sense that the Packers originally wanted Jones to be an effective run stopping 5 tech and be able to slide down as a 3 tech in passing situations. Despite his size he seemed to be miscast in that role IMO. Bullard is known as more of a run stuffer than a pass rusher at this point, so perhaps they again look for the type of player they hoped Jones would be in Bullard? His value is about right at 27 and would probably step in and contribute immediately. He's a really good player IMO, great intensity and effort.
Another, similar guy I was thinking of is Illinois DL Jihad Ward.
I like Clark, but I personally don't see him as a value in r1. He has above average quickness and agility for his size, but I don't see him making an impact. He flashes big plays and disappears and doesn't anchor against the run like a 320 pounder. He got whooped by Stanford G Josh Garnett, but in all fairness Garnett is an elite G. In my opinion, it's not unrealistic to think Clark could be there for GB in r2.
The interesting thing about "so many Elephants" is TT could still take a Shilique Calhoun even with the numbers. Peppers is in his final contract year, Perry's deal is one year, Jones is likely in his final contract year. My hope is still for Leonard Floyd to add speed and versatility vs. size but whichever. Floyd and a later pick on Joe Schobert would be really interesting. Those two, along with Matthews, would give the Packers a whole lot of flexibility in the linebacker corps while not investing heavily in a designated ILB.
It's an interesting first round for GB. There could be big changes coming on the OL as 3/5 starters are FAs in 2017, plus a contributor in Tretter. I won't be surprised to see GB take a guy like Jason Spriggs or Cody Whitehair to develop as replacements along the OL. As we have seen in the past, TT isn't afraid to let OL walk even if they aren't obviously done yet (Rivera, Wahle, Colledge, Wells, etc.). I doubt he lets both Guards walk, but with both showing signs of wear and tear, it's not unrealistic to think this is one or both of their last years in GB.
5 of the team's top 6 OL were taken in the 4th round where Ted has 3 picks this year. I'd be fine with him taking a few swings on the future of the OL there, and beefing up the front seven at the top of the draft.
That strategy makes sense. Use the 4th & 5th rounds to add depth to the offensive line with guys who do not necessarily have to play next year, while using early picks on guys who play "rotational positions", where they could immediately contribute.