Official 2019 Draft Thread

Timpranillo posted:

More OL

More front 7 D

WR 

Would like to see what the new scheme does with Graham before using a pick in 1st or 2nd on a TE.  

TE for me is a puzzle too.  Graham isn't the future.  But then who will be?  And is this new HC going to ignore Lewis and Tonyan in the passing game?  I don't know what the plan is - or even if they think they need a plan for the position.  Blockers are easier than well rounded TEs or explosive pass catching TEs to get - IMO.  I am sure we will see.  So if they take a TE in this draft, it might surprise me who that is.  More questions than answers for me at this point.  

It's not that complicated: Protect Aaron Rodgers and give him weapons.  That means draft OL, a TE and a RB early in this draft.  And Cobb's replacement if your man is there.

Timpranillo posted:

More OL

Definitely

Timpranillo posted:

Would like to see what the new scheme does with Graham before using a pick in 1st or 2nd on a TE.  

As long as the TE is a Gronk/Kelce style TE, then it is worth a 1st or 2nd. But yeah....not really interested in a lunchpail type "Bubba Franks / Ed 'Toolbox' West" for those premium picks. 

I truly think Gute will go OL with one of the 1st round picks and the other pick it would not surprise me if it was that RB out of Bama (name escapes me) that many have going in the first round.

I hope Gute-n-Plenty goes OL first, then BPA. It's not like we don't have enough holes to fill. A BPA could be useful almost anywhere, including back-up QB.

Pakrz posted:

We should have the ability to dislike posts too... You know, just for shits and giggles. 

I'd quit porn and just get my kicks disliking your posts...and Fedya's. 

Goalline posted:

Pakrz posted:

We should have the ability to dislike posts too... You know, just for shits and giggles. 

I'd quit porn and just get my kicks disliking your posts...and Fedya's. 

My PC would catch on fire every time Jaymo posted! 

Goalline posted:

Pakrz posted:

We should have the ability to dislike posts too... You know, just for shits and giggles. 

I'd quit porn and just get my kicks disliking your posts...and Fedya's. 

You, sir, are a liar.

Unless a stud edge guy is available at 12 I'd rather go Hockerson and OL at 30 and beyond.

bucky brooks mock was a nightmare scenario for the packers, 

Murray, q Williams, N Bosa, J Allen, D White, R Gary, J Taylor, M Seat, A Dilart, T Hockensen, and D Bush were the 1st 11 picks. 

top pass rushers gone,, top offensive tackles gone,top TE and both inside Lbs are gone. With that board Gute should drop down. If he stayed there, I would think Cody Ford, Noah Fant or Josh Jacobs.  

Bucky Brooks? I've never seen one of these "mock drafts" come true. Just White Noise.

Fandame posted:

I hope Gute-n-Plenty goes OL first, then BPA. It's not like we don't have enough holes to fill. A BPA could be useful almost anywhere, including back-up QB.

I'm with Jean-Claude Fandame.  

Floridarob posted:

bucky brooks mock was a nightmare scenario for the packers, 

Murray, q Williams, N Bosa, J Allen, D White, R Gary, J Taylor, M Seat, A Dilart, T Hockensen, and D Bush were the 1st 11 picks. 

top pass rushers gone,, top offensive tackles gone,top TE and both inside Lbs are gone. With that board Gute should drop down. If he stayed there, I would think Cody Ford, Noah Fant or Josh Jacobs.  

I think we all like Lance Zierlein's much better:  http://www.nfl.com/draft/2019/mock-drafts

Floridarob posted:

bucky brooks mock was a nightmare scenario for the packers, 

Murray, q Williams, N Bosa, J Allen, D White, R Gary, J Taylor, M Seat, A Dilart, T Hockensen, and D Bush were the 1st 11 picks. 

top pass rushers gone,, top offensive tackles gone,top TE and both inside Lbs are gone. With that board Gute should drop down. If he stayed there, I would think Cody Ford, Noah Fant or Josh Jacobs.  

This isn't bad.  You take Ed Oliver or Brian Burns (if the Packers like him) and don't think twice.  I still cannot fathom all of the mocks with TE's taken high.

Goalline posted:

Pakrz posted:

We should have the ability to dislike posts too... You know, just for shits and giggles. 

I'd quit porn and just get my kicks disliking your posts...and Fedya's. 

Hateful.

sschumer - Packer Fan HoF'r posted: 
  

I think we all like Lance Zierlein's much better:  http://www.nfl.com/draft/2019/mock-drafts

All 3 takes from that link are intersting.
Other than Murray, none of them had another QB being drafted until pick 13 at the earliest. Just takes one to set up a potential (pick) trade, or lets another guy available to us.
Maybe not a bad option if it falls that way.

YATittle posted:

Bucky Brooks? I've never seen one of these "mock drafts" come true. Just White Noise.

You, racist!

am I by myself? I am not buying the murray at pick 1...they can't possibly do that right?  I wouldn't give up on Rosen after 1 year...

The Packers need a starting safety with range. I'd like to see Adderly, Gardner-Johnson or Thornhill early and another in the mid rounds. With Amos they have one decent safety prospect on the roster, unless they move Jackson back and draft another corner fairly high.

pkr_north posted:

am I by myself? I am not buying the murray at pick 1...they can't possibly do that right?  I wouldn't give up on Rosen after 1 year...

Yup, you are by yourself

Here's the betting favorite

WHICH PLAYER WILL BE CHOSEN WITH THE FIRST OVERALL PICK IN THE 2019 NFL DRAFT?

Odds as of March 20 at BetOnline

• Kyler Murray -400
• Nick Bosa +225
• Quinnen Williams +1800
• Josh Allen +2000

That means you place a $400 bet on Kyler to win (profit) $100. 

Cardinals will probably try to trade Rosen to the Patriots

I never got the impression that Rosen would ever be that good. I think KM goes #1 overall. 

pkr_north posted:

am I by myself? I am not buying the murray at pick 1...they can't possibly do that right?  I wouldn't give up on Rosen after 1 year...

If I was a Cardinals fan I might be upset with the fact they traded up to get Rosen and now they are giving up on him so quickly.  I am probably in the minority but I just don't see Murray as a sure fire #1 pick as a QB.  But I am sure Kingsbury thinks that he can plug him in and have an air raid offense and try to just score more than the other team.

Trading Rosen to the Pats would make some sense I would think.  Of course that would mean that he would immediately become a HOF QB

If I was the Cardinals I take Bosa and don't even think twice about it.  

It shouldn't be Kingsbury making a decision with that much impact.  It should be their GM.  And their GM should only pick Murray #1 if he truly believes he's an upgrade over Rosen.  If he does, then the Rosen pick hurts but the end result would justify it.  That's a mighty big crystal ball he's counting on.

Rosen needs a reboot either way.  He should be better than he looked last year.

Kingsbury is just polishing his resume for a future NFL OC job when the Cards flame out as a team.  And OC is probably his calling.  However, at some point he has to learn how to manage an offense that needs to take some time off the clock.  It will be interesting ..........

You would think that the Cardinals would have seen how fast Chip Kelly fizzled out in the NFL and would have thought twice about hiring Kingsbury.  Ghost, you are right about managing an offense that takes time off the clock and not just be like college and try to put up 60 points and outscore the other team.   He will find out quickly that unlike the Big 12 the NFL plays defense.

Kingsbury will be the Steve Spurrier of 2019. Spurrier blew out teams 90 to nothing during his first preseason and everyone was singing his praises. When the bell rang they could not win a game and was gone shortlty after. 

The Heckler posted:

pkr_north posted:

am I by myself? I am not buying the murray at pick 1...they can't possibly do that right?  I wouldn't give up on Rosen after 1 year...

If I was a Cardinals fan I might be upset with the fact they traded up to get Rosen and now they are giving up on him so quickly.  I am probably in the minority but I just don't see Murray as a sure fire #1 pick as a QB.  But I am sure Kingsbury thinks that he can plug him in and have an air raid offense and try to just score more than the other team.

Trading Rosen to the Pats would make some sense I would think.  Of course that would mean that he would immediately become a HOF QB

If I was the Cardinals I take Bosa and don't even think twice about it.  

I think the Cardinals take Bosa, too, unless they want to address their porous O Line. That O line is a big reason Rosen is getting clobbered on every down. If not Bosa, I'd say Jawaan Taylor or Jonah Williams to help brace the O Line and give Rosen some semblance of protection.

DH13 posted:

It shouldn't be Kingsbury making a decision with that much impact.  It should be their GM.  And their GM should only pick Murray #1 if he truly believes he's an upgrade over Rosen.  If he does, then the Rosen pick hurts but the end result would justify it.  That's a mighty big crystal ball he's counting on.

Rosen needs a reboot either way.  He should be better than he looked last year.

I think their GM is on his last legs and Kingsbury was his hail mary to save his job. He probably could have stuck with Wilkes and Rosen and rebuilt the team the correct way, but that would have taken time and I can't imagine he has much time left. Kingsbury and Murray will either revolutionize the NFL (for a couple years like Harbaugh/Kaepernick) or they will flame out amazingly and he will be fired anyway. So I think he's giving KK whatever he wants to make his system work. 

The Heckler posted:

If I was the Cardinals I take Bosa and don't even think twice about it.  

Thank God you're not the Cardinals. 

I'm hoping 3 QBs go before #12 (at least 2, hopefully)

@Grave Digger - nailed it. Keim isn't lasting much more than 2 years....of course this is the Cardinals ownership we're talking about. So who knows...

So am I allowed to respond to Boris without being called a brown noser? 

Anyhow, I totally agree that I want as many teams as possible to go QB in the top 11 or to make panic moves to move up and take one.  

I still would take Bosa in a heart beat.  I have the misfortune of watching all of the O$U games and Bosa is a true defensive difference maker.

50k Club posted:

Floridarob posted:

bucky brooks mock was a nightmare scenario for the packers, 

Murray, q Williams, N Bosa, J Allen, D White, R Gary, J Taylor, M Seat, A Dilart, T Hockensen, and D Bush were the 1st 11 picks. 

top pass rushers gone,, top offensive tackles gone,top TE and both inside Lbs are gone. With that board Gute should drop down. If he stayed there, I would think Cody Ford, Noah Fant or Josh Jacobs.  

This isn't bad.  You take Ed Oliver or Brian Burns (if the Packers like him) and don't think twice.  I still cannot fathom all of the mocks with TE's taken high.

Agree on both points. I don't like Brooks mock, but if it goes down like that I take Oliver or Burns and run to the podium.  Oliver is very disruptive and seems perfect for for Pettines defense in appying pressure from the inside. Burns could be the speed mix to the Smith Bros brute force.  Not big on taking a TE at 12 for some reason - still think the defense needs fixing and a couple more adds could do the trick. 

If we grab a stud front 7 guy early and then a Free Safety like Gardner-Johnson or Thornhill a little later , the defense is in ****ing business. 

The Heckler posted:

So am I allowed to respond to Boris without being called a brown noser? 

Good lord....it's just an internet message board. 

The Heckler posted:

I still would take Bosa in a heart beat.  I have the misfortune of watching all of the O$U games and Bosa is a true defensive difference maker.

Rumor out of SF is the Niners are taking Quinnen Williams #2 overall - Could very well be the choice if the Cards take Bosa. Niners might still take Q even if Bosa is there.

DeFo Buckner / Q or Bosa / Dee Ford / Kwon Alexander

Beefing up the defense in SF

Speaking of Bosa going #2...and hoping 2 QB's go before #12...

http://www.draftcountdown.com/...aft/2019-mock-draft/

sschumer - Packer Fan HoF'r posted:

Speaking of Bosa going #2...and hoping 2 QB's go before #12...

http://www.draftcountdown.com/...aft/2019-mock-draft/

Link doesn't work.

YATITTLE, try again?  Can someone else here try?  Link works for me.

sschumer - Packer Fan HoF'r posted:

YATITTLE, try again?  Can someone else here try?  Link works for me.

works for me, SSCHUMER

12 Packers:  inside linebacker Devon White,  LSU

30 Packers:  safety,  Johnathan Abrams, Mississippi State

3 quarterbacks taken,  picks 1, 10 and 11  fantastic..

Works for me too.

sandwich!

Fandame posted:

I hope Gute-n-Plenty goes OL first, then BPA. It's not like we don't have enough holes to fill. A BPA could be useful almost anywhere, including back-up QB.

Problem is, there may not be an OL at #12 worth that pick. OL definitely a need, but not in round 1 unless there is a sure fire long term replacement for Bulaga. You can get plenty of All Pro caliber OG in rounds 4-7. Edge is less of an immediate need, but given how deep the class is, I'd be most disappointed if we didn't take 1 in our first 4 picks.

There's 3-4 decent QB we can get late as a back up in training...Minshew, Stidham, Finley, Rypien and I think one or all will be available rounds 5-6.

Chongo posted:

. You can get plenty of All Pro caliber OG in rounds 4-7. 

Really? In the past 6 years the all-pro guards and where they were drafted is as follows:

First round - 7

Second round - 3

Third Round - 1

UDFA - 1

   IMHO there are 4 guards who could be starters as rookies: Bradbury, Lindstrom, Risner, Ford. All will likely be gone by the time we draft in the third round.