YATittle posted:
I'd take those first round picks in a heartbeat! Hockenson and Risner.
mrtundra posted:YATittle posted:I'd take those first round picks in a heartbeat! Hockenson and Risner.
Yeah, me too. That recent post of that guy saying the Packers are 10th in personnel with a real good o-line is horse $hit in my opinion. It lauded Bakh, but he is one of 5 positions!
After above, I'd go safety.
I wonder if the front office will still continue the historically successful approach of drafting former OT to be OG's. I don't know how that translates, or if relevant at all, to LaFleur's system. Bradbury has projected strictly as an C in the few mocks/writeups I've seen, but it was a small sample size.
phaedrus posted:mrtundra posted:YATittle posted:I'd take those first round picks in a heartbeat! Hockenson and Risner.
Yeah, me too. That recent post of that guy saying the Packers are 10th in personnel with a real good o-line is horse $hit in my opinion. It lauded Bakh, but he is one of 5 positions!
After above, I'd go safety.
Same here. Any of these guys would go a long ways to helping the secondary: Nasir Adderley, Juan Thornhill, Taylor Rapp, Chauncey Gardner-Johnson, Deionte Thompson.
AtTheMurph posted:The best offensive lineman in this draft is Jawaan Taylor. You draft him and he's your starting tackle for 10 years. Dillard will be an instant starter and for a long time as well. OT isn't a bad group this year. Even Edwards from Wisc if he is finally healthy might be a steal if you get him late enough.
Taylor doesn't have left tackle feet, though, and he's the highest-rated guy?
Dillard is the best pass blocker, but his power is suspect and he's a late teens guy probably, at least talent-wise.
I like Edwards, but he's not a LT. Jonah Williams might be better off at guard also.
There are some solid RT prospects Day 2 and Day 3, but LT, which is generally where strength at the position is measured, is rather weak at the top.
50k Club posted:I wonder if the front office will still continue the historically successful approach of drafting former OT to be OG's. I don't know how that translates, or if relevant at all, to LaFleur's system. Bradbury has projected strictly as an C in the few mocks/writeups I've seen, but it was a small sample size.
We need a player who can challenge Linsley.
It's hard to knock him too much, because he has been solid enough and has been durable.
I agree it would go against the norm to draft a player strictly as a C... unless he could double up as the LS too.
Is there still interest in Florida Gator, DE Jachai Polite ??
jeeze, he'd of been better off doing nothing that what he did do
Note to prospects: Don't jack up your body mass by more than 10% in two months and expect your ligaments, tendons and muscles to appreciate it.
skully posted:Is there still interest in Florida Gator, DE Jachai Polite ??
At this point, considering his dismal interviews and combine performance, Polite is looking more like a day three pick than a first rounder.
Still only 20 years old but he was not ready for the meat market and has raised a lot of red flags.
Leave Jachai alone!
Timmy! posted:50k Club posted:I wonder if the front office will still continue the historically successful approach of drafting former OT to be OG's. I don't know how that translates, or if relevant at all, to LaFleur's system. Bradbury has projected strictly as an C in the few mocks/writeups I've seen, but it was a small sample size.
We need a player who can challenge Linsley.
It's hard to knock him too much, because he has been solid enough and has been durable.
I agree it would go against the norm to draft a player strictly as a C... unless he could double up as the LS too.
Linsey was a top 5 rated center last year, he is the least of our worries. Bradbury has played some guard in college and IMHO would be above average at that position right from the start in the NFL. IF Bulaga stays healthy & Turner pans out at guard, that leaves Taylor as our weakest o-lineman. We are very good if that is the case. For much of last season Taylor was our third best o-lineman, which makes us a below average line.
Linsley is durable, but he's not that good. His mobility is below average and his shotgun snaps are often lacking. Outside of Bakhtiari the entire line could use an overhaul. That said, replacing the guards and a Bulaga heir is a higher priority, as is maybe a swing tackle who won't Spriggs it if Bakhtiari misses any time.
I'd love to see the Packers come out of this draft with, say, Michael Deiter and Dru Samia as their OG Tandem of the future, and maybe now. Of course that likely means at least one of them is available for a Day 3 pick. In a perfect world, Turner is a veteran swing (fills in for Bulaga when hurt) and Taylor is the inside swing, imo. Deiter can play some center as swing also if Taylor holds the job one more year.
Some of the OL guys that can play all, or at least two, positions on the OL like Pierschbacher, Dieter, McCoy, McGovern, Keenoy, Ford, Risner, etc. are maybe who the Packers should be looking at for O Line depth. We always seem to be getting one or two guys injured and then are forced to use a band aid at the position they vacated in hopes that, after a play, our QB is still standing or our RB made it over the LOS.
Herschel posted:Linsley is durable, but he's not that good. His mobility is below average and his shotgun snaps are often lacking. Outside of Bakhtiari the entire line could use an overhaul. That said, replacing the guards and a Bulaga heir is a higher priority, as is maybe a swing tackle who won't Spriggs it if Bakhtiari misses any time.
PFF rated him as one of the top OL in the NFL in 2018, noting in their December 11 article that he had 6/13 games where he'd surrendered 0 pressures. FootballOutsiders rated GB's mid/guard area as the 6th best in the NFL in their "Adjusted Line Yards" stat which isolates OL play from RB play and team offense overall. I think he's better than you give him credit for, he's not just a warm body in the middle.
Grave Digger posted:Herschel posted:Linsley is durable, but he's not that good. His mobility is below average and his shotgun snaps are often lacking. Outside of Bakhtiari the entire line could use an overhaul. That said, replacing the guards and a Bulaga heir is a higher priority, as is maybe a swing tackle who won't Spriggs it if Bakhtiari misses any time.
PFF rated him as one of the top OL in the NFL in 2018, noting in their December 11 article that he had 6/13 games where he'd surrendered 0 pressures. FootballOutsiders rated GB's mid/guard area as the 6th best in the NFL in their "Adjusted Line Yards" stat which isolates OL play from RB play and team offense overall. I think he's better than you give him credit for, he's not just a warm body in the middle.
PFF.
Enough Said.
They had Haha highly rated.
Sorry have to totally disagree on Linsley. I think of all the OL Bahk and Linsley are the two positions the Packers dont have to worry about other than making sure there is depth. If they fix the RG and RT tackle postions we won't even be having this converstation.
mrtundra posted:Some of the OL guys that can play all, or at least two, positions on the OL like Pierschbacher, Dieter, McCoy, McGovern, Keenoy, Ford, Risner, etc. are maybe who the Packers should be looking at for O Line depth. We always seem to be getting one or two guys injured and then are forced to use a band aid at the position they vacated in hopes that, after a play, our QB is still standing or our RB made it over the LOS.
Versatility is one of the reasons GB signed Turner.
YATittle posted:PFF.
Enough Said.
They had Haha highly rated.
That may be true, but it's not the only source I cited. Also PFF had Bakh as the #1 OT in the NFL, do you disagree with that?
Ed Oliver just ran a 4.19 shuttle at Houston's Pro Day. At ~280lbs !! Holy ****
I’m sure you’re not the only one drooling GL. No way he makes it to 12.
He did have the blow up with the coach, so maybe that would scare some teams off, but i’m kind of doubting it. That looks like some rare talent and a really safe pick.
I m sure that Oliver was pressed hard in the interviews about this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...410.1542378592443394
How high he is drafted will tell us how he interviewed
Pistol GB posted:I’m sure you’re not the only one drooling GL. No way he makes it to 12.
He certainly is making it to #12 & farther in previous mocks.
I think he's Clete Hunt II
During the season, Oliver was often listed at the #1 D prospect going into the 2019 draft. Seems to be a lot more variety of opinion now.
YATittle posted:
Jawaan Taylor is so good in that mock he is selected twice, at #7 AND #9!
mrtundra posted:YATittle posted:I'd take those first round picks in a heartbeat! Hockenson and Risner.
I will pass on Risner. Those K State OL never seem to pan out.
Boris posted:Pistol GB posted:I’m sure you’re not the only one drooling GL. No way he makes it to 12.
He certainly is making it to #12 & farther in previous mocks.
I think he's Clete Hunt II
Maybe off the field.
On the field, Clete Hunt could never come out of his stance the way that guy does. He just fires off the ball. That's rare for a DT and exactly what defensive coordinators are looking for. And his production in college was through the roof, no taking plays off like Clete specialized in.
I don't even want a DT right now but that dude can play. I actually hope he's gone at 12, especially if he's a locker-room problem waiting to happen.
New four round mock. We get the TE at 12 and a S at 30
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...campaign=Twitter_atn
That's a shit-ton of yuck. Amos is similar to Abram, TE at 12, okay with McGary, not thrilled with Allen but that 4th round is a mess.
AtTheMurph posted:mrtundra posted:YATittle posted:I'd take those first round picks in a heartbeat! Hockenson and Risner.
I will pass on Risner. Those K State OL never seem to pan out.
Neither did Tedford quarterbacks so I know what you’re saying
YATittle posted:New four round mock. We get the TE at 12 and a S at 30
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/...campaign=Twitter_atn
I would rather take Nasir Adderley or Juan Thornhill or Taylor Rapp or Chauncey Gardner Johnson at #30 before Jonathan Abrams.
Here's an all Packer 7 round mock from Fansided.com:
That seems a bit strange to have them take two more receivers quite a bit like the three they took just last year.
They took 3 last year on day 3. It would be a pleasant surprise if any of them become quality starters.
Pistol GB posted:I’m sure you’re not the only one drooling GL. No way he makes it to 12.
He did have the blow up with the coach, so maybe that would scare some teams off, but i’m kind of doubting it. That looks like some rare talent and a really safe pick.
Yeah, there is absolutely no chance.
Herschel posted:AtTheMurph posted:The best offensive lineman in this draft is Jawaan Taylor. You draft him and he's your starting tackle for 10 years. Dillard will be an instant starter and for a long time as well. OT isn't a bad group this year. Even Edwards from Wisc if he is finally healthy might be a steal if you get him late enough.
Taylor doesn't have left tackle feet, though, and he's the highest-rated guy?
Dillard is the best pass blocker, but his power is suspect and he's a late teens guy probably, at least talent-wise.
I like Edwards, but he's not a LT. Jonah Williams might be better off at guard also.
There are some solid RT prospects Day 2 and Day 3, but LT, which is generally where strength at the position is measured, is rather weak at the top.
We will see if he has the feet. I think he does. Remember he played at UF around 340lbs. He's now about 315 and he played both sides in college.
Dillard may go before Taylor. He's good. Williams may be the first to go if someone love his production. Little will be a good LT.
I don't think it is weak at the top. I think it looks weaker because there is so much talent on Defense this draft that it makes the OL prospects seem less valuable. When ranking players the DL guys are all over the place. But for talent, the OTs are pretty good relative to other years.
antooo posted:skully posted:Is there still interest in Florida Gator, DE Jachai Polite ??
At this point, considering his dismal interviews and combine performance, Polite is looking more like a day three pick than a first rounder.
Still only 20 years old but he was not ready for the meat market and has raised a lot of red flags.
Leave Jachai alone!
Every time one of these pass rushers slip because of slow 40 times I think of Terrell Suggs. Of course, Suggs was as productive a pass rusher in college as you will ever see. 23 sacks in his final year, I believe.
Sorta like the old Draft Muncher.
FinnLander posted:Sorta like the old Draft Muncher.
I like the "other" choice at #12
I ran a mock with Fanspeak today, and just for experimentation, and the fact that Oliver + the Devins were off the board, I decided to go offense early. I also wanted to see who I could get later on for defense, who might still make a good pick...I missed out on a few guys by one or two picks...trades really do make a difference in moving around the board.
12: R1P12 OT ANDRE DILLARD WASHINGTON ST.
30: R1P30 TE NOAH FANT IOWA
44: R2P12 S JUAN THORNHILL VIRGINIA
75: R3P11 WR ANDY ISABELLA MASSACHUSETTS
114: R4P12 CB COREY BALLENTINE WASHBURN
118: R4P16 LB DRUE TRANQUILL NOTRE DAME
150: R5P12 DL GREG GAINES WASHINGTON
185: R6P12 QB BRETT RYPIEN BOISE ST.
194: R6P21 RB JALIN MOORE APP. ST.
226: R7P12 EDGE JUSTIN HOLLINS OREGON