Official 2019 Draft Thread

Fair enough, I’m not a huge Tillery supporter, but I do see the upside with his size and measured athleticism. PFF has their perspective, which is that Tillery is a top 10 talent.  

“That’s why, despite ranking third among interior players in total pressures with 48, Tillery tied [Quinnen] Williams for the highest pass-rushing grade at the position in college football. A big reason why is because Tillery had 32 such wins as a pass-rusher that didn’t result in a pressure — the most among all interior defenders in college football. When it comes to winning one-on-one interactions, Tillery is as good as it gets...

So why the distinct lack of hype? Truthfully, I’m not sure. The NFL Network’s Daniel Jeremiah notes that ‘he is a very streaky player on tape…he just needs to become more consistent’ as his biggest knock. Lance Zierlein notes that Tillery is ‘raw with his hands and hasn’t learned to properly weaponize them in his rush attack.’ Reading those criticisms only makes me like Tillery more. If Tillery truly is inconsistent and raw yet still produced at the highest level we’ve seen from a college interior defender, just think what he could become if coaches can fix those issues at the NFL level.“

In that context it’s not that big of a reach. Looks a little stiff when I watch him, I don’t see him as an elite athlete like Brian Burns, who PFF has GB passing on to take Tillery. 

Isabella is a tough one. Can’t ignore that 4.31 speed though and the production that goes with. I kind of agree with PFF that he won’t make it to 44, I think he’s a better prospect than some of the receivers we’ve seen go in R1 the last couple years. Reminds me of Antonio Brown as a player actually. 

There will be much better players available at #12 and #30 for the Packers than Tillery.

DH13 posted:

Like Clark, Daniels or Lowry?

No offense to those fine gentlemen you mentioned, but I have watched the Packer defense for years running around like the have concrete galoshes on compared to other teams D

Hockenson. Abram. Risner. 

BPA that all check the need box in order. Those are 3 dream picks. Not sure Risner gets to 44 but those 3 flip the talent in GB. 

The Packers lack of action on the D-line makes me believe that is where the 1st pick will come from. They have Oren Burks for the middle LB, the new kid and Cole Madison if he shows up for the oline, and resigning Mercdes for TE leads me to believe they have supported those positions. If Oliver, Rashan Gary or Christian Wilkins are there are 12 I think one of them will be a Packer.  At 30 I believe they will get the safety they want.  From 2nd round on I think it will be offense, offense and more offense. The RB from Penn State that took Barkleys job this year looks like a kid that could be special. I dont know if Jones is the type of RB MLF can trust due to his injury history. I would be happy with a 1st three pics of 

12-Gary/Oliver/Wilkins DL

30-safety Darnell Savage 

44-RB Miles Sanders

Floridarob posted:

The Packers lack of action on the D-line makes me believe that is where the 1st pick will come from.

They brought in Gunter from the Cardinals a couple of days ago but I haven't heard anything since. He seems to be an ascending player, (Dreaded 2015 draft) who could be good rotational help. Had his best year in 2018 on a terrible Cards D. I wouldn't mind seeing them sign a young, healthy vet like this which would leave their draft options wide open.

Gunter, a fourth-round pick of the Arizona Cardinals in 2015, registered career highs in tackles (44), sacks (4.5) and forced fumbles (2) last season. He also tallied 11 tackles for losses and nine quarterback hits, also career highs.
Gunter played in all 64 games during his first four NFL seasons.

Not sure where he's projected to go but WR Hakeem Butler from Iowa State intrigues me. Guy is 6' 6" and knows how to use his body to block out defenders and position himself for jump balls. Ran a 4.48 40 at the combine so he's plenty fast.

I watched him play quite a bit in college and he's strong so he breaks a lot of tackles too. He showed up big against big time competition in key games which I also liked to see.

https://www.nfl.com/prospects/...33-e211-34b9abca1909

Hands could be an issue.

Butler had some drops in 2017 but I don't think that was the case at all in 2018. I saw him make a lot of tough contested catches. He was a big home run threat and averaged something like 22 yards per catch.

Granted he played in the Big 12 where sometimes I wonder if D is even allowed but he also had a FR QB throwing to him most of this year and a noodle armed QB last year.

12 is a weird position it seems with a lot of these projections. People are projecting these QBs to push players to GB, but my gut tells me teams are blowing smoke. I don’t think Murray is going 1 and possibly won’t go until the teens and after him I think Daniel Jones will be next off the board, online draftniks are underrating him I think. Haskins is going to take a tumble IMO and could easily see him lasting deep into R2. Grier might actually be the third QB off the board. I think all the elite D talent is going to get plucked before 12 and GB will likely have to settle for a trade back.

Just like last year with Jaire I think they are likely targeting a specific player and will move around to make sure they get max value when they pick him. I don’t think they’re looking for a backup or someone who will be the starter next year or the year after, which is why I’m not sold on an OL at either pick. I see gaping holes at S (opposite Amos), WR2, and Slot that don’t have an obvious starter and need immediate help. Butler at 30 makes some sense, he definitely has the speed and length they’re looking for. Isabella makes sense also in the Slot with his speed and rout ability. Savage makes the most sense as a Safety target, but obviously not at 12. Seattle is an obvious spot for Savage at 21, could be we drop down at 19 or 20 and snag him.

Agree GD, 12 is a weird position this year. I could definitely see a trade back. Wish we had, (I really don't know if we do.) the cap space to sign a couple of young, available, seemingly ascending vets like Gunter and Tre Boston at S and then we could primarily concentrate on taking the best player available with it being a pass rusher if all things are equal.

The draft is going to be interesting.

Butler has been all over the first 3 rounds in mocks.  Somebody has to really believe they can polish his route running.  He has trouble separating.  I know he's been working with megatron which makes a lot of sense.  He's who you'd aim to be if you're 6'5, 230 and can run in the 4.4's.  Don't need to be a routesmith but does need to learn how to use what he can do to get open.

I can see where GB stays at 12 and goes offense... Hockenson, Josh Jacobs, Dillard, Taylor and Metcalf are all possibilities there.  

For me though... I'd take Hockenson out of anybody listed above.  He's a difference maker from the jump.  If he's not there, I'm going defense with Sweat, Ferrell, Oliver, White, Wilkins, Bush or Gary. 

Somebody is going to fall.  Take the gift Gute...

Mississippi State edge rusher Montez Sweat is in Green Bay on an official pre-draft visit with the #Packers today.

— Zach Kruse (@zachkruse2) April 10, 2019

My opinion keeps evolving looking at boards. Now thinking Ferrell or Wilkins are going to be the guys. From a personality standpoint those guys are clean off the field and have the kind of “alpha swagger” on the field that Jaire has and this team needs. On the field they’re offer a lot and allow Pettine to do a lot of different things. Wilkins/Clark compare pretty favorably (maybe even better) than Cullen Jenkins/BJ Raji we had earlier this decade. Wilkins reminds me A LOT of Cullen, who was criminally underrated in his career.

Ferrell is actually pretty similar to the two guys we just signed IMO, it would be surprising to see them draft a DE in R1 after basically just signing two that are 27, but he’s going to be a dominant DE in the NFL. Hard to pass up. 

Fant is the only other guy I could see them stay at 12 and pick. He’s such a smooth athlete and natural receiver, I would actually rate him as WR1 and TE1 in this draft. He’s a guy that could allow GB to have Graham and Adams to Slot, Fant and Allison outside. That would actually put us in good position to either force defense to play Dime, opening up running opportunities having two TEs in the game, or against a base or Nickel would allow Graham/Fant to bully a LB trying to cover them. 

I still like Hockenson at 12 if he is there.  It will be very difficult for Gute to pass on Ferrell if he makes it to 12.  

I like Ferrell...a lot. Almost every mock I've seen has him going to Carolina at 15.

No reason he can't be the choice at 12.

Best.Player.Available regardless of position & that includes QB

The Smith brothers plus Gilbert and Fackrell (He improved a ton last season) as backups is good enough.  But if you have an opportunity to add a guy like Ferrell, at a coveted position, I'm not sure how you pass that up.  

Boris posted:

I like Ferrell...a lot. Almost every mock I've seen has him going to Carolina at 15.

No reason he can't be the choice at 12.

Best.Player.Available regardless of position & that includes QB

The thing I like about Ferrell is that he was THE Alpha on a DLine that was insanely talented. Any highlight you see of Lawrence, Wilkins, or Bryant, it’s generally Ferrell that has flushed the ball carrier into them. He was the one who created opportunities for the other guys. 

I think it could be very realistic Ferrell is there for the Packers at #12 especially if teams go QB crazy leaving him to the Packers. If I had to bet money on it I still think they will go with the BPA who plays defense.  I really think they are looking for a guy who is a playmaker regardless of position and has an aggressive attitude like Alexander has.  I just think it is Gute's mission to fix this defense once and for all. Of course I have nothing to base this on other than it being my stupid opinion.

No I agree with you 100%. I think there was a definite lack of playmakers to start with and Gute has been pretty aggressive with filling gaps. There isn't a position on this defense that is so deep we could pass on a playmaker. 

Wouldn't be nice to get turnovers again? It seems like forever since we had a defense that CREATED turnovers. Including Pettine. Would love to see that change. 

Defense has really had some chances, they just couldn't catch the ball. Be really surprised if there isn't a significant jump from Pettine's defense in the second year.

packerboi posted:

Wouldn't be nice to get turnovers again? It seems like forever since we had a defense that CREATED turnovers. Including Pettine. Would love to see that change. 

Oh yes it would be awesome to have a D that creates turnovers it just feels like they never seem to get any.  And on top of the turnovers I want a return of a D that plays with an edge a nasty attitude that has been missing for a long time. 

What I really want to see is what Pettine can do with a defense that is healthy.  This team has to get a break sooner or later with injuries don't they?

I don't think there will be more than 2 QB's taken, possibly none before 12.  And I think there will be a run on top D talent.  Even with that said, there should be a blue chipper O or D available when we pick.

was listening to the nfl drive on sirius after work on my way home, they did a mock draft.  the worst nightmare, no qb's taken and all the d talent gone by 12, we got jawaan taylor.  somehow, i think that is how its going to go down.

Trade down, love to get another second in the move

No qbs in top 10? I'll believe it when I see it.

For the 12th pick, here's my preference:

Ed Oliver: I've heard scouts refer to his first step quickness as the best since Von Miller.  Inside pressure is as valuable to anything on defense and adding Oliver would give the packers an insanely good DL and all three can play together.  Daniels is getting older (and more injured) and 2019 could be his last year in Green Bay.  

TJ Hockenson: I'm finally sold on a TE at #12.  If he can play all 3 downs, stretch the field, move the chains, and block at an above average level, he's worth it.  

Brian Burns: Even with the Smith brothers, you can never have enough pass rushers.  Burns is a great athlete, is probably the most polished outside rusher in the draft, and is a football junkie with no off the field issues.  Only issue is size but he ran a 4.5 at the combine weighing 248.  

Trade back: Don't like any other player at #12 that much.  Jawaan Taylor is intriguing but heard he's raw, inconsistent and might have a weight issue.  No thanks.  I don't like how Rashan Gary disappeared at Michigan.  DK Metcalf doesnt do enough at WR to draft at #12.  Not a big Devon Bush guy either (at least not at #12).  Maybe someone wants Haskins or Luck and you can trade back a few spots.  

pkr_north posted:

was listening to the nfl drive on sirius after work on my way home, they did a mock draft.  the worst nightmare, no qb's taken and all the d talent gone by 12, we got jawaan taylor.  somehow, i think that is how its going to go down.

I kind of agree.  I think Murray goes #1 or #4 but I think Haskins falls.  I've heard that the media is more into him than most scouts are.  And I just don't see it with Lock.  I think all the hype is smokescreen for teams trying to trade back.  Guess we'll find out.  

According to Adam Schefter,  Haskins is not invited to the draft.  

Ed Oliver might be great ON the field but he sucks off it. 

Below is from Chris Ballard Colts GM

"This is just the opinion of one GM but I thought it might be interesting to all in regards to mock drafts.

Ballard: “All of these mock drafts are wrong” Reporter: “Aren’t they always?” Ballard: “Yea but this year they’re really wrong.”

Ballard explains that he sees 14 players in this draft who are blue chip, elite level players. From 15 through the top of the third, “the talent level is consistent.”

The takeaway here is Ballard is saying that the back half of the first and the second round are going to be very different than what people think. What that means for mock drafters is don’t be afraid to put guys higher than the crowd thinks because you might be right. A lot of these solidified late 1st guys won’t go that high, according to him."

The Pack is in line to get a very good football player. Let's hope they get it right. 

DH13 posted:

I don't think there will be more than 2 QB's taken, possibly none before 12.  And I think there will be a run on top D talent.  Even with that said, there should be a blue chipper O or D available when we pick.

No doubt about it, this will be an interesting draft! Especially if what Ballard says comes true. 

YATittle posted:

No qbs in top 10? I'll believe it when I see it.

ya, they had az trading out of 1 to mid-first and took murray there.  i can't remember who traded up to get bosa first overall.  it took me back on how logical it was and I thought - you know? this is how its gonna go down...

pkr_north posted:

YATittle posted:

No qbs in top 10? I'll believe it when I see it.

ya, they had az trading out of 1 to mid-first and took murray there.  i can't remember who traded up to get bosa first overall.  it took me back on how logical it was and I thought - you know? this is how its gonna go down...

Please revisit this after the draft. I've seldom seen a mock that was close, mostly because most teams send so many head fakes and false interest signals. One giant poker game.

Grave Digger posted:

I don’t think Murray is going 1 and possibly won’t go until the teens

WHICH PLAYER WILL BE CHOSEN WITH THE FIRST OVERALL PICK IN THE 2019 NFL DRAFT?

Odds as of April 2 at BetOnline

• Kyler Murray -500
• Nick Bosa +225
• Quinnen Williams +1800
• Josh Allen +2000

I'm not saying....I'm just saying!!

This isn't like Alex Smith vs. Aaron Rodgers

1 more thing. A wise GM once said the draft is pretty much set in January - doesn't change much.

CUPackFan posted:

For the 12th pick, here's my preference:

Ed Oliver: I've heard scouts refer to his first step quickness as the best since Von Miller.  Inside pressure is as valuable to anything on defense and adding Oliver would give the packers an insanely good DL and all three can play together.  Daniels is getting older (and more injured) and 2019 could be his last year in Green Bay.  

TJ Hockenson: I'm finally sold on a TE at #12.  If he can play all 3 downs, stretch the field, move the chains, and block at an above average level, he's worth it.  

Brian Burns: Even with the Smith brothers, you can never have enough pass rushers.  Burns is a great athlete, is probably the most polished outside rusher in the draft, and is a football junkie with no off the field issues.  Only issue is size but he ran a 4.5 at the combine weighing 248.  

Trade back: Don't like any other player at #12 that much.  Jawaan Taylor is intriguing but heard he's raw, inconsistent and might have a weight issue.  No thanks.  I don't like how Rashan Gary disappeared at Michigan.  DK Metcalf doesnt do enough at WR to draft at #12.  Not a big Devon Bush guy either (at least not at #12).  Maybe someone wants Haskins or Luck and you can trade back a few spots.  

CUPackFan, I think this is a great take.  Would be happy with any of those three at 12.  Would be with Sweat, White as well, but don't expect them to be there. 

Murray was a fine college QB, he may turn into a good NFL QB but would he even be considered as the first choice if KK was not the HC?  

1 more thing. A wise GM once said the draft is pretty much set in January - doesn't change much.

Of course there are always several unwise GMs in the league.